[00:44:40] I set up a namespace, and every time I go to visit it, mediawiki just redirects me to /index.php/page [00:45:00] ... but it doesn't happen with any of our other namespaces, could something in the namespace be broken to do that? [01:20:05] hello. I have a confession to make [01:20:38] IS anybody here? [01:20:38] Hi haunted331____, I am here, if you need anything, please ask, otherwise no one is going to help you... Thank you [01:21:20] Hi. I wanted to let you know that for all the times I troll in wikipedias irc channels, I have been paid to do it. [01:21:53] this guy named steve williams is trying to get revenge on wikipedia for whatever reason [01:22:57] he pays me and several others 10 dollars to mess around wikipedia. My job is to troll in the irc channels. [01:22:59] !wikipmediawiki [01:22:59] Confused about the differences between MediaWiki, Wikimedia, Wikipedia and wiki? See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki [01:23:44] i decided that its time to stop [01:23:55] I've been greedy, but its not right to mess around here. [01:23:57] I'm sorry. [01:24:19] is anybody listening? [01:24:20] infina: dude, he's trolling.. right.. now.. [01:24:28] im not [01:25:00] I'm giving up myself and the operation that I'm part of. [01:25:27] FatalNIX, do you understand? [01:26:12] I hope you guys can forgive me. [01:29:18] FatalNIX: no feeding. [01:29:55] MUST. FEED. [01:30:00] * FatalNIX eats [01:30:26] LOL ping timeout [05:02:34] @seen polybuildr [05:02:34] Niharika: Last time I saw polybuildr they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: Leaving N/A at 10/18/2015 4:59:17 PM (12h3m17s ago) [05:39:03] @seen Katie [05:39:03] c: I have never seen Katie [05:39:15] wm-bot you are so lucky [05:39:57] who are you looking for, c? [05:40:10] He's just trolling. [05:40:25] ah. [05:40:33] Katie: perish the thought [05:52:42] legoktm, Reedy: at some point the link was parsed as interwiki link, I don't remember which release if any. [05:55:46] weird :/ [11:12:00] Hi guys... Is there an Outreachy-specific wikimedia channel? Or can I ask my Qs in this channel? :) [11:12:24] we have way too many irc channels :) [11:13:37] Can you really have too many of anything? ;) But yeah, I'm happy to go to an Outreachy-specific chan if there is one. Can't seem to find it though... [11:14:25] there isn't [11:15:22] stay around :) [11:16:27] Haha, okay. What's the difference between a primary mentor and an, uh, secondary mentor? [11:18:24] no idea :o [11:18:42] qgil or Niharika would know, not sure if they're around right now. [11:19:07] Hi MatmaRex, josephine_lim. [11:19:13] Hi Niharika :) [11:20:00] josephine_lim: Not much of a difference except that the primary mentor is usually more familiar with the project and can help you in technical matters better. [11:20:31] or maybe timing issue, maybe secondary has more time ;) [11:21:16] josephine_lim, in case of doubt, org admins will go after the primary mentor. ;) If s/he is missing, then they will go for the secondary. [11:21:20] Possibly. :) I've always thought of the primary mentor as the "Engineering manager" and the secondary mentor as the "Product manager" but it's not always like that. [11:21:29] Niharika and saper: I guess I'm confused because in my case the project idea (and current maintainer) wants to be the secondary mentor, so my project apparently needs a primary mentor? [11:21:44] josephine_lim: Which project is that? [11:21:47] I was under the assumption that we just needed 2 mentors, did not know we needed to specify that we needed a primary mentor :( [11:22:10] Niharika: The task is at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114358 , I wrote my proposal at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115101 [11:22:43] (Edit) *the person who suggested the project idea [11:23:00] josephine_lim, when that happens, usually it is because the secondary mentor wants to contribute, but doesn't feel like having the skills / experience to be the main mentor. That is subjective, though. [11:23:29] josephine_lim: Stephen would be an excellent primary mentor. I don't think he's around right now. [11:23:52] josephine_lim: Let's wait for his reply for a while? [11:24:07] Niharika: I'm concerned because I did not specify this when I asked Stephen, so it might seem like I'm misleading him on purpose? [11:24:13] I just hope it isn't construed as such [11:24:21] qgil: not sure I am qualified enough to mentor, but maybe I could re-do my Git+Gerrit online training for MediaWiki developers, inviting Outreachy participants? [11:24:42] saper: You'r over-qualified to mentor! :P [11:24:49] +1 [11:25:00] josephine_lim, relax. We are the "assume good faith" community. :) [11:25:02] josephine_lim: Relax. [11:25:05] :) Yep. [11:25:08] Niharika: no, there is no Outrachy project on wiki archeology :) [11:25:13] Hahah, okay, thanks. I'll try. :) [11:25:33] josephine_lim: Are you on #wikimedia-mobile? All the mobile folks party there. [11:26:00] Yep, I am. :) Lurking for now though. Didn't think I should ask this there [11:26:05] Bit new to IRC for the most part [11:26:40] * Niharika tries to figure out the connexion between saper and archeology :O [11:26:53] IRC is great, except where it isn't. Are you using a shell account and screen/tmux to stay on IRC "forever"? [11:27:06] I'm using HexChat [11:27:17] saper, of course you are qualified to be a mentor! Does the Git+Gerrit training need a re-do? [11:27:19] I have no idea what a shell account for IRC is :) [11:27:59] qgil: re-play - we do it remotely on my box, 2-3 hours. I need to refresh what I want to say, but git and gerrit didn't change too much since 2012 [11:28:25] maybe I should do a training on IRC too! That would be fun! [11:28:37] saper: Go for it :D [11:28:46] That would help some of us newbies for sure [11:29:02] saper: Yeah. That would be awesome. [11:29:02] It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure IRC out. I actually had to read the tutorial. >.> [11:29:19] josephine_lim: I bet everyone had to read the tutorial at some point. :P [11:29:37] Haha true, Niharika! [11:29:38] how many potential O11 do have atm? ballpark figure? [11:29:46] josephine_lim, "shell account and screen/tmux to stay on IRC "forever"" is something that might puzzle average IRC users, not just new ones. Don't worry; worry to confirm two mentors and to have your proposal ready. [11:30:06] qgil Yes I am worrying about that, too. :( [11:30:13] saper: O11? [11:30:13] josephine_lim: I see you are very IRC-savvy though! no worries! [11:30:19] Niharika: outreachy11 [11:30:21] Aww thanks, saper. :) [11:30:37] saper: 7, approx. [11:30:44] josephine_lim, your proposal is about the Commons app for Android, and you probably don't even need to be a Gerrit ninja for that (I'm assuming the project is being hosted at GitHub -- could be wrong) [11:30:48] qgil : I also think my proposal is mostly ready, I just wasn't expecting the primary mentor issue. [11:31:11] Yeah it's hosted on GitHub [11:31:25] Niharika: ok, that could fit on one training session (unless other fresh developers would like to sign up) [11:31:39] josephine_lim, if I would be you, I would keep crunching bugs and microtasks showing your Android expertise [11:32:02] josephine_lim, the mentor thing will be sorted out, and seeing a skilled candidate does motivate new mentors [11:32:30] saper: How does the number of viewers matter? It'll be a YouTube stream, right? [11:32:43] qgil: sure, I'll try :) [11:32:51] saper: You might need to start doing phab/arcanist training soon :P [11:33:18] Niharika: no, we did it last time via interactive session - taking over SIP in an audioconference plus everybody connected to my test box, where they can play and we share screens (via ssh + screen) [11:33:27] saper, I didn't want to be the first one mentioning this, but I agree with Reedy (and maybe he was joking, but I'm not) :) [11:33:37] Reedy: phab works best with SVN [11:33:39] Aha. [11:33:40] :) [11:33:58] qgil: There was an element of joking yes, but not completely [11:34:01] Niharika: pretty hardcore but no account anywhere required. [11:34:42] saper: Nice! [11:35:04] I would actually like Phabricator training... :P [11:36:19] josephine_lim: That's the only piece of software I find intuitive around here. What's confusing? :P [11:36:53] Niharika: I didn't get exactly what a 'task' should be - seems like all the reports, proposals, etc are all 'tasks' too [11:36:58] And the whole blocking thing [11:37:07] josephine_lim: Yep. All of them are tasks. [11:37:13] But yeah, I think I got it. Sorta. :) [11:37:33] saper, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Release_Engineering_Team#201516_Q2_.28Oct_1st_-_Dec_31st.29 "Retire Gerrit and Gitblit in favor of Phabricator" [11:37:34] ah are we abusing Phab to do project management? :) [11:37:53] how? [11:38:00] josephine_lim: If you want to create a task B that blocks a task A, the best way to create it would be to click "Create subtask" on task A. That copies over the subscribers and projects. [11:38:08] qgil: yeah I know, although there were some voice to upgrade gerrit [11:38:11] voices [11:38:20] Niharika thanks, gotcha [11:38:27] qgil: bad joke, sorry (re pm) [11:38:41] :) [11:45:10] qgil: one question I see in the dev summit 2016 planning a discussion on code review issues, so... we migrate first and discuss later...? [11:45:49] saper, first, I don't think Gerrit will be dismantled before the Summit. The goal is to have a RfC proposal in place. [11:46:00] ah ok, thank you. [11:46:05] saper, second, which session are you talking about? I have seen two related with code review [11:46:20] bawolff's is based on social aspects that no tool will change per se [11:46:22] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114419 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114320 [11:46:44] greg's is based on the RfC itself [11:48:18] great, so now I think I am on the same page. [11:48:40] saper, are you planning to attend the Summit? [11:51:32] qgil: would love to, not sure if I can make it [11:52:13] I am also mostly inactive those days, mostly for the reasons listed in the Bawollf's bug [11:52:38] but I ported two skins to 1.25 last week, so this is good news [11:54:18] :) [11:54:45] The deadline for requesting travel sponsorship passed some days ago... [11:59:07] I know. But I will probably be sucked into some new project beginning January, so no idea if I will be able to travel. But may it would be good idea to renew a U.S. visa now. [13:24:56] hi [13:25:04] im just a random person [13:26:05] * Random slaps AnalDefecation around a bit with a large fishbot [13:26:23] so wikimedia made this chat??? [13:26:30] pretty sweet [13:27:01] * Random slaps AnalDefecation around a bit with a large fishbot [13:27:12] what other channels are there. [13:28:18] hello [15:06:50] hello, are pageids always integers? or can they be hex or some other UUID-ish format? [15:07:05] they're always integers [15:07:19] page_id int unsigned NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY AUTO_INCREMENT, [15:08:10] Reedy: many thanks! [15:08:40] ahh yes, i should have known it was the actual primary key as well :) [15:25:56] are tiff images handled differently than other images for thumbnails? I'm seeing /lossy-page1-120px- used in the thumb url instead of /120px- [15:27:00] i see Extension:PagedTiffHandler [15:27:03] tiffs can be multipaged [15:27:07] So I'd presume so [15:29:37] yeah, I think thumbs for tiffs are jpg only also [15:30:37] probably [15:33:58] ahh if we specify lossless instead of lossy we can use png [16:08:16] Hi, I currently have mw-config on a server, I would like to transfer it to GitHub. How could I do that? [16:09:11] oh [16:09:19] what are you going to transfer to github? [16:09:38] mw-config (mediawiki-config). (LocalSettings.php, etc.) im not sure how to do it.. [16:10:01] You want to put your passwords on the internet?! [16:10:11] no, I will keep those in /sr [16:10:13] */srv [16:10:41] (Well I plan to at least..) [16:16:16] Could someone review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/247292/ please [16:16:50] Reception|away: I don't really understand what you are trying to do... [16:17:43] paladox: are those only whitespace changes? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/247292/1/tests/phpunit/ApiTestCaseVideoUpload.php [16:18:21] saper: No i added a missing test to it since the file was in the test folder but was never added to timedmediahandler entry point meaning it wasent test. [16:18:36] saper: it also fixes class name. [16:20:15] paladox: I don't see where... too casual look [16:20:44] Here https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/247292/1/TimedMediaHandler.hooks.php and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/247292/1/tests/phpunit/TestWebMHandler.php here [16:20:53] daper: [16:20:56] I only see whitespace changes in that file [16:21:07] paladox: You shouldn't generally mix whitespace and functional changes in the same commit [16:21:11] Especially, if they're in different files [16:21:28] Reedy: Oh ok. I will remove the spaces. [16:22:06] They look ok standalone, but it's clutter when you're fixing actual issues [16:26:49] Hi, to get the content of a page if i have pageId, i was suggested by @saper to use query API. However, query is not giving me the actual content of the page. For eg: page http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Outgoing has pageid=50999. But in no way i am able to get methods which are present on this page [16:26:56] Reedy: Ive changed it to not include spaces or any other changes only the functional changes to fix the test. [16:30:34] saper: [16:34:28] paladox: Why are you changing Opus and VP9 around? I can't see any obvious reason for it [16:34:50] Because the test failed because brion changed the order in the main file. [16:35:00] Reedy: [16:38:04] paladox: Show me where? [16:39:06] Reedy: Here https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/231309/ [17:58:46] I have been investigating the issue with GraphicsMagick and +set Thumb::URI on the command line. It seems to be an escaping issue so far. O_o GM understands the argument, but only under OS X's bash. [18:00:02] Nope, that is a GM version problem. Nevermind. [18:20:40] hi [18:21:07] Hello, I want to add a message to the new user registration page which tells them they need to ask for edit permissions in our forum after registering. What is the correct way of doing this? [18:21:21] Guest64911: hi [18:22:50] Guest64911: you can add additional text at the top of the page by adding it to a page called "MediaWiki:Signupstart" on your wiki [18:23:13] Guest64911: the same method can be used to modify most of the interface text, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:System_message#Finding_messages_and_documentation [18:23:30] if you look at (for example) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin/signup?uselang=qqx, you can see "(signupstart)" at the top [18:24:42] MatmaRex awesome, thank you [18:24:58] i was sure hacking hte php is Not The Right Way (TM) [18:32:45] saper : I'm trying to move my LocalSettings.php file un GitHub only I don't know hwo [18:32:48] *how [20:40:47] hello, I am trying to figure out how i can make one of the namespaces read only for moderators and administrators. I can't really find any documentation saying exactly how this can be done. I know editing restrictions can be done by namespace, but what about viewing? [20:43:44] sorefriend: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_certain_specific_pages [20:50:57] mutante:Thanks! I think IntraACL is the best option [20:51:32] sorefriend: np, i know there are several attempts but none are really supported [20:52:52] IntraACL is the only one maintained or updated in recent history. It seems like most effort is being put into that initiative. [20:53:07] I was worried I wouldn't be able to do it. Thanks again! [23:58:11] What's the root mediawiki url? [23:58:39] the root url? [23:58:43] I don't follow [23:59:38] Once you install it on a server, say foo.bar.com, what is the url that you navigate to in order to view your new wiki? [23:59:51] For example, foo.bar.com/mediawiki/index.php