[00:17:48] <Katie>	 Not really.
[00:46:42] <legoktm>	 Special:SkinDistributor now supports REL1_26 downloads, ExtensionDistributor will in about 2 hours :) !
[01:12:16] <Katie>	 Nice.
[03:59:41] <Niharika>	 Hello. I'm looking for a couple of volunteers to test out a RevisionSlider gadget. Anybody wants to? It's up on testwiki and I only want to know what you think of it or what issues you're facing with it. 
[04:30:09] <racoolio_sharp>	 In the Wikipedia log xml dumps, what is an "upload"? Can it include changes to content or does it only refer to file uploads?
[04:30:45] <Katie>	 Niharika: Link? I might be able to take a look.
[04:31:07] <Katie>	 racoolio_sharp: Log XML dumps?
[04:31:40] <Katie>	 Oh, hmm.
[04:31:59] <racoolio_sharp>	 Yeah, for example: kowiki-20151102-pages-logging.xml.gz
[04:32:19] <Katie>	 Bit strange that it's XML instead of SQL.
[04:32:20] <racoolio_sharp>	 you can retrieve the link here: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/kowiki/20151102/
[04:32:30] <Katie>	 Yeah, I'm looking at https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20151002/ :-)
[04:32:52] <Katie>	 racoolio_sharp: In the logging SQL table, there's log_type and log_action.
[04:33:11] <Katie>	 I'm not too familiar with the XML dumps of the logging table, but I imagine it's similar.
[04:33:18] <Katie>	 !man Logging_table
[04:33:18] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Logging_table
[04:35:58] <Katie>	 racoolio_sharp: I believe a log_type of 'upload' can have 'upload' or 'overwrite' as its log_action.
[04:36:23] <Katie>	 Or log_action can be NULL.
[04:39:36] <racoolio_sharp>	 I agree that the sql table and xml data should be quite similar.
[04:40:11] <racoolio_sharp>	 But can an upload indicate change in textual content?
[04:40:53] <racoolio_sharp>	 "upload" seems to refer to file uploads...
[04:44:10] <Katie>	 No.
[04:44:18] <Katie>	 Textual content will be considered an edit.
[04:44:23] <Katie>	 And all edits are stored in the revision table.
[04:44:40] <Katie>	 For an upload, there are two components.
[04:44:54] <Katie>	 There's the file itself, and then there's a file description page attached to the file.
[04:45:14] <Katie>	 Upload logs only deal with the file being uploaded or overwritten.
[04:45:37] <Katie>	 The creation of and edits to the file description page will all be considered edits, which are stored in the revision table, not in the logging table.
[04:51:07] <Niharika>	 Katie: Head to test.wikipedia.org. Turn on Revision Slider in your gadget preferences. 
[04:52:07] <Niharika>	 Katie: Once that is done, compare any two revisions here: https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history
[05:07:58] <racoolio_sharp>	 Katie: thanks!
[08:05:36] <Nikerabbit>	 morning
[08:06:33] <Nikerabbit>	 this channel used to have lots of people asking help, where are those people now?
[08:08:59] <Nemo_bis>	 Nikerabbit: probably nowhere
[08:09:31] <Nemo_bis>	 or maybe redwerks solved everyone's short URL issues
[08:14:15] <Nikerabbit>	 Nemo_bis: why do you think so
[08:14:54] <saper>	 !outreachy del
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[08:14:55] <Nemo_bis>	 Nikerabbit: just kidding on redwerks
[08:17:57] <saper>	 !outreach is Accepted participants are going to be announced later today (after http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20151117T19) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_11
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[08:50:31] <Niharika>	 saper: Glad to see you're keeping on top of the Outreachy deadlines. :) 
[08:51:33] <Niharika>	 Hello. I'm looking for a couple of volunteers to test out a Revision Slider gadget. Anybody wants to? It's up on testwiki and I only want to know what you think of it or what issues you're facing with it. 
[08:51:48] <Niharika>	 Nikerabbit: Nemo_bis: ^ I'm asking for help. 
[08:52:48] <Nikerabbit>	 lol
[08:53:03] <Nikerabbit>	 test.wikipedia.org?
[08:54:07] <Niharika>	 Nikerabbit: Yup.
[08:54:18] <Niharika>	 Turn on Revision Slider in your gadget preferences. 
[08:54:24] <Niharika>	 Once that is done, compare any two revisions here: https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history
[08:57:22] <Nikerabbit>	 it goes out of the viewport on the right
[08:57:43] <Niharika>	 Wow, really? 
[08:57:56] <Niharika>	 That happens for me when the number of revisions is too small on a page. 
[08:58:11] <Niharika>	 Nikerabbit: Could you put up a screenshot? I'll add it to our list of bugs. 
[08:59:08] <Nikerabbit>	 put up where?
[08:59:19] <Niharika>	 Nikerabbit: Umm, imgur?
[09:00:57] <Nikerabbit>	 https://www.dropbox.com/s/vgtio7zefbjikz7/imgur.png?dl=0 approximation
[09:01:40] <Niharika>	 Nikerabbit: Aha. Does this also happen on the Main Page?
[09:01:56] <Niharika>	 Nikerabbit: Also, thanks. :) 
[09:02:19] <Nikerabbit>	 Niharika: no it does not appen on the aim page
[09:02:27] <saper>	 Niharika: it feels strange last time I tried it... If I don't see diff or diff list, it seems useless
[09:02:50] <Nemo_bis>	 reminds me of https://fedorahosted.org/fpaste/ticket/5
[09:03:21] <Niharika>	 Nikerabbit: Okay, awesome thanks. What do you think of it? Do you think it's going to be useless? Worth spending dev time on it?
[09:03:34] <Niharika>	 saper: Diff or diff list, as in? 
[09:04:21] <Niharika>	 Nemo_bis: I don't see how...
[09:04:23] <saper>	 as in action=history
[09:04:39] <Nikerabbit>	 Niharika: I am wondering, since I often click the "view all changes since last visit" links on emails, then I might use that to view who has done the intermediate changes without going to the history page or having to do two clicks to get to the first one of multiple
[09:05:02] <Nikerabbit>	 ...so I am wondering... that it might be useful in that case
[09:05:16] <Niharika>	 Nikerabbit: I see. That could be a good use case. 
[09:05:49] <Niharika>	 saper: Hmm, so you're saying the History page diff list is preferable compared to hovering on each bar in the slider? 
[09:06:18] <saper>	 it also flashes - on and off after the quick
[09:06:28] <saper>	 on and off after moving the pointer
[09:07:15] <Niharika>	 saper: Yeah. I should have made those persist but we didn't spend much time on the prototype. It's meant for demo purposes only and we want to turn this into an actual extension with more features. 
[09:08:15] <saper>	 with a long history the sections are too small to see the diff descriptions
[09:09:05] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm pretty sure there is a report for the multiple diff
[09:10:31] <Nemo_bis>	 Nikerabbit: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T20454
[09:10:49] <Nemo_bis>	 Nikerabbit: what do you mean "having to do two clicks"? there is also a report requesting the history links to bring you to neighbouring edits
[09:12:34] <Nikerabbit>	 Nemo_bis: for example: https://fi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaaka_%28t%C3%A4hdist%C3%B6%29&type=revision&diff=14639272&oldid=12494717
[09:12:49] <Nikerabbit>	 there is no one click way to onl show first of those 4 revisions
[09:13:18] <Nikerabbit>	 or 5
[09:14:01] <saper>	 Niharika: sorry this must have been older version, now I can see at most 19 revisions https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mike.lifeguard/04-edit.t&diff=248967&oldid=218667
[09:14:16] <saper>	 no, 50
[09:15:40] <Nemo_bis>	 Nikerabbit: would https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T11578 be enough? ah but you mean the single diff
[09:16:08] <Nemo_bis>	 I guess the case you have in mind is when the combined diff is a null edit because there is one edit + revert, for instance?
[09:16:59] <Nikerabbit>	 Nemo_bis: it doesn't matter what the combined diff is
[09:17:11] <Nikerabbit>	 but yes that is a common reason
[09:17:41] <Nemo_bis>	 ok
[09:17:51] <Nemo_bis>	 usually I click timestamp and then the left diff
[09:18:13] <Nemo_bis>	 there could be something smarter indeed to break down the multidiff
[09:21:11] * Niharika is in a meeting. Be right back.
[10:11:28] <Niharika>	 saper: Yup, 50 revisions at max. You'd see lesser if the page has lesser revisions. 
[10:15:34] <saper>	 Niharika: I am the wrong person to ask, I never felt the need for such a feature
[10:16:18] <Niharika>	 saper: Okay. I should try asking for volunteers elsewhere. 
[10:17:02] <saper>	 I think this was picked up from some community gadget, maybe those people should comment
[10:17:33] <saper>	 a slider would make sense to see the changes in the article itself
[10:17:45] <saper>	 like non-diff view, maybe
[10:18:06] <saper>	 when you try to figure out who added this and when
[10:18:19] <saper>	 which basically boils down to the "blame" mode
[11:53:13] <jirib>	 what python package is the best for mass import of pages formated in wikiformat and doing the opposite - mass fetching the content?
[11:54:53] <DanielK_WMDE>	 jirib: pywikibot
[11:54:59] <jirib>	 DanielK_WMDE: thx
[11:55:21] <DanielK_WMDE>	 yw
[12:54:12] <lyka>	 Hi all.
[12:56:26] <lyka>	 So if i enter MediaWiki:Mainpage into the search bar and select that page, i get a text box, where everything i read tells me i should be able to edit the main page title. What am i missing. Googled for hours, accidentally created a bunch of MainPages too. http://anopenguidetomodernlife.com
[13:00:54] <lyka>	 It's ok. I got it. Man, such a noob lol.
[13:36:50] <jirib>	 how do i align text to right in mediawiki wiki syntax?
[13:37:03] <jirib>	 (i'm formating a letter)
[13:39:01] <saper>	 you can use <poem>text text text</poem> to get exact layout
[13:39:57] <jirib>	 saper: but this is like <pre>, right?
[13:40:43] <saper>	 otherwise <div style="text-align: right">...</div> might do the trick, but it is ugly
[13:40:50] <saper>	 kind of <pre> yes
[13:41:46] <jirib>	 hm, anyway, pandoc convertion from wiki format to docx drops the tag :)
[13:57:59] <Wiktor>	 Hello
[13:59:32] <andre__>	 Hi Wiktor
[14:01:28] <Wiktor>	 Meh, i just realized that it's possible that i've chosen a bad channel to ask
[14:01:29] <Wiktor>	 but
[14:01:56] <Wiktor>	 i want to troubleshoot why mediawiki stops working after a while - and it works like a charm after apache restart
[14:02:14] <Wiktor>	 is it a question sufficient to this channel? :P
[14:04:14] <Wiktor>	 welp, i didn't say that as question - rather like a request - but - do you guys have any suggestions what should i do? It seems that php snippets for debugging would not work since it cannot connect to wiki
[14:20:13] <Niharika>	 Wiktor: You should hang around for a while until our SF task force wakes up. :) 
[14:22:56] <Katie>	 Wiktor: Stops working how?
[14:23:05] <Katie>	 You probably need to look at what's happening on the server.
[14:23:23] <Katie>	 Apache should be able to run for a long time on its own.
[14:23:54] <Katie>	 It depends how it's failing. Is this shared hosting?
[14:24:29] <Wiktor>	 Katie: stops working like it throws you nothing when you type server.domain/wiki/ where it normally is
[14:24:40] <Wiktor>	 Katie: it's company self hosted server
[14:24:41] <Katie>	 Hmmm, what kind of nothing?
[14:24:47] <Katie>	 Can you use "curl" to see the HTTP headers?
[14:24:59] <Katie>	 I'm curious whether you're getting an HTTP 200 or something else.
[14:25:10] <Wiktor>	 Katie: ok, i have to wait till it crashes again
[14:25:21] <Katie>	 Okay. :-)
[14:25:31] <Katie>	 Typically a totally blank page means a PHP fatal error.
[14:25:48] <Katie>	 But it sounds like your Web server might be running out of memory(???) or something like that, maybe?
[14:25:52] <Katie>	 Are you using Apache?
[14:25:58] <Wiktor>	 sure
[14:26:21] <Katie>	 You can also test with non-PHP files.
[14:26:30] <Katie>	 Like robots.txt or the LICENSE file or whatever.
[14:26:48] <Katie>	 That way you can narrow down whether it's the Web server being totally busted or just mod_php or whatever.
[14:27:02] <Katie>	 If that makes sense.
[14:27:55] <Katie>	 Apache also keeps fairly detailed logs.
[14:28:02] <saper>	 Wiktor: some meory issues? is your logging working fine? both apache and php?
[14:28:04] <Katie>	 And you can increase the log verbosity levels for debugging.
[14:28:12] <saper>	 memory
[14:28:13] <saper>	 hi Katie 
[14:28:17] <Katie>	 Hi saper. :-)
[14:28:55] <Katie>	 There's also a /server-status page or similar in Apache.
[14:29:07] <Katie>	 To see the open connections.
[14:29:13] <Katie>	 I forget the exact name, but it can be useful if you think someone is trampling your Web server.
[14:29:46] <Katie>	 I've seen cases where a bad rewrite rule caused an innocent client to slam a server with requests and basically block all other legitimate requests.
[14:30:10] <FlipBill>	 How to determine why CSS as defined in User:MYUSERNAME/vector.css does not seem to load...
[14:30:31] <Katie>	 FlipBill: There's a configuration settings for user CSS and user JS.
[14:30:36] <saper>	 "netstat" might help
[14:31:11] <Katie>	 FlipBill: Did you set `$wgAllowUserCss = true;` in your LocalSettings.php?
[14:31:19] <Katie>	 It's false by default.
[14:31:23] <FlipBill>	 Katie, I did not, thanks.
[14:32:12] <Katie>	 No problem.
[14:32:50] <saper>	 Katie: btw. I'd more than happy if you could try my fixes for https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78232 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78233 I am pretty optimistic about how the former can be made to work and I don't really like the solution I drafted for the former, to the point it should be wontfixed, maybe.
[14:33:03] <FlipBill>	 Katie, Bingo.  Thanks again.
[14:33:18] <saper>	 second "former" should be "latter", https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78233
[14:34:14] <Katie>	 saper: Oh, right!
[14:34:29] <Katie>	 I can't look right now, but I can take a look later today, hopefully.
[14:39:35] <saper>	 shouldn't take too much time if you try on an older git master (pref change won't merge probably due to the work being done to move preferences to HTML)
[15:03:59] <Chiyo>	 hi there, does https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config go inside the mw-config folder of mediawiki?
[15:10:27] <Glaisher>	 That's not the actual contents of mw-config in core
[15:10:53] <Glaisher>	 Looks like they have their configuration there
[15:11:22] <Glaisher>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/tree/master/mw-config is the "actual" mw-config
[15:13:15] <Chiyo>	 yea, I'm trying to make a wiki farm/family
[15:15:44] <Chiyo>	 just trying to work out how it all fits together
[15:17:49] <Glaisher>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:CommonSettings.php might be of some help.
[15:21:54] <Chiyo>	 Glaisher, I thought commonsettings.php was a special type of file :P
[15:23:10] <Glaisher>	 Not really, it's just included on all the wikis LocalSettings.php file and contains all the config common for the wiki farm.
[16:45:32] <Krzysiek>	 Does anyone speak Polish?
[17:15:01] <legoktm>	 Krzysiek: I assume there's at least one person who speaks it.
[17:16:14] <Krzysiek>	 legoktm: Yes I know. I have found.
[20:26:29] <FlipBill>	 I've inserted this on a page: {{Special:Whatlinkshere/{{PAGENAME}}}} expecting transclusion of the list.
[20:26:34] <FlipBill>	 But I u
[20:26:49] <FlipBill>	 But only get link to what links page
[20:27:27] <FlipBill>	 Do I misunderstand something.  Or am I overlooking something?
[20:34:55] <Reedy>	 FlipBill: Not every special page is transcludeable
[20:38:43] <FlipBill>	 Reedy, so I guess that's not one.  Surprised that it provides link instead.
[20:39:05] <Reedy>	 class SpecialWhatLinksHere extends IncludableSpecialPage {
[20:39:10] * Reedy scratches his head
[20:39:40] <FlipBill>	 Does that superclass imply transcludability?
[20:39:43] <Reedy>	 Yup
[20:39:47] <FlipBill>	 Heh.
[20:39:55] <Reedy>	 I wonder if it's the dynamicness
[20:39:59] <Reedy>	 {{Special:Whatlinkshere/{{sust:PAGENAME}}}}
[20:40:03] <Reedy>	 And then save it
[20:40:20] <FlipBill>	 K, I'll try.
[20:41:01] <FlipBill>	 Displays this: {{Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Sust:PAGENAME}} 
[20:41:11] <FlipBill>	 (as broken link)
[20:41:27] <FlipBill>	 Mebbe I should substitute actual page name?
[20:42:02] <FlipBill>	 I don't recognize/know that syntax/symbol.
[20:42:43] <MatmaRex>	 i think Reedy meant "subst"
[20:42:49] <Reedy>	 hahah
[20:43:02] <FlipBill>	 Yeah, I just discovered that.
[20:43:06] <MatmaRex>	 which will, in fact, substitute actual page name :)
[20:43:12] <FlipBill>	 Being literal minded, ya know.
[20:43:49] <FlipBill>	 OK.  It did.  Same result.
[20:44:03] <FlipBill>	 (link to what links here page)
[20:45:07] <FlipBill>	 Ah, well.  Scratch that off my wish list.
[20:45:13] <FlipBill>	 Thanks.
[20:45:26] <Reedy>	 It should work
[20:45:53] <FlipBill>	 I could try again if you like.  Would benice, but I can live without it.
[20:47:42] <Reedy>	 https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sandbox&oldid=249917
[20:47:43] <Reedy>	 WFM
[20:48:49] <FlipBill>	 OK.  Yup, that demonstrates it awright.
[20:48:55] <FlipBill>	 Fudge.
[20:49:12] <Reedy>	 The page does have links etc?
[20:49:13] <FlipBill>	 Case sensitive?
[20:49:33] <Reedy>	 Whatlinkshere should work
[20:50:00] <Reedy>	 Yup
[20:50:29] <FlipBill>	 Nah. Still just getting link.  To valid page with links on it.  Weird.
[20:50:53] <FlipBill>	 Maybe MW version.
[20:51:09] <Reedy>	 Unless you're using some ancient version
[20:51:28] <FlipBill>	 1.19.2
[20:51:37] <FlipBill>	 That considered ancient?
[20:51:45] <Reedy>	 To some extent, but we've seen worse
[20:51:48] <Reedy>	 Should work fine though
[20:52:12] <FlipBill>	 Any way to trace the action conveniently?
[20:53:07] <Reedy>	 Hmm
[20:53:41] <Reedy>	 Oh
[20:53:41] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/commit/3b0ff98ff695465cbd04e5348cf7a29e50c1c5f7
[20:53:53] <Reedy>	 1.23 onwards
[20:53:56] <Reedy>	 That'd explain that then
[20:54:41] <FlipBill>	 I see.  Thanks.  What's current with MW?
[20:54:53] <Reedy>	 see /topic
[20:54:57] <Reedy>	 1.25 is the current stabie release
[20:55:31] <FlipBill>	 Right.  OK.  I'll live without.  Maybe learn to upgrade one day when I have the VM backed up.
[20:55:36] <FlipBill>	 Thanks again.
[20:56:08] <Reedy>	 Upgrading is relatively simple
[20:56:14] <Reedy>	 As long as you haven't modified core files randomly
[20:56:35] <Reedy>	 !upgrade
[20:56:35] <wm-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[20:56:37] <Reedy>	 ..
[20:56:43] <FlipBill>	 I tread lightly.  Pretty sure I only added extensions and modded LocalSettings
[20:57:22] <FlipBill>	 Still, won't do it without a backup image of the VM.  Thanks for the link.
[20:57:34] <Reedy>	 Oh yeah, I wouldn't suggest otherwise
[20:57:39] <Reedy>	 At least, backup files + mysql
[20:57:44] <Reedy>	 full vm image is easier
[20:58:20] <FlipBill>	 Yeah, I snapshot the KVM. Mindless.
[21:52:05] <saper>	 !outreachy del
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[21:55:08] <saper>	 !outreachy is Wikimedia is a participant in Outreachy, Free and Open Source Software internships. For more information see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy
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[22:46:15] <firebus>	 is there an extension that lets you configure an ordered list of pages and provides a UI to take users along that list? like a wizard or a path of pages?
[22:52:56] <Reedy>	 I wonder if the GuidedTour extension would work
[22:53:00] <Reedy>	 !e GuidedTour
[22:53:00] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GuidedTour
[22:55:15] <firebus>	 Reedy: thanks! i'll check it out
[23:59:27] <Mlpearc>	 I am getting this error in some image gallery's "Error message from a shared repository: Error creating thumbnail: File with dimensions greater than 12.5 MP" can this value be increased and if so where is it ?