[00:40:03] <gangleri|inu>	 Hi Nikerabbit! I need some help at https://meta.wikimedia.org/?curid=140676#BiDi the old style gadget needs to use newstyle functions to work at global accounts
[07:10:46] <ComputationalLin>	 Hi, I'm not sure if I'm in the right place but I'm trying to find information about downloading an older mirror of Wikipedia (~2011 or 2012) for a computational linguistics experiment I'd like to run. I'd prefer to use a mirror of that time because I'd like the results to be as close as possible to an experiment performed by an earlier group (Hills et al. 2012). Any advice appreciated.
[07:13:02] <legoktm>	 ComputationalLin: you should be able to find old dumps on download.wikimedia.org, let me see....
[07:14:13] <legoktm>	 https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/ hrm...
[07:16:05] <legoktm>	 ComputationalLin: ok, looks like the old ones are available from the internet archive, see https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22enwiki%22%20AND%20subject%3A%22data%20dumps%22%20AND%20collection%3A%22wikimediadownloads%22
[07:52:51] <Samuel_>	 Hello! I  am Samuel Chua from Singapore! 
[07:55:46] <Niharika>	 Hi Samuel_! Welcome to IRC. 
[07:56:07] <Samuel_>	 Thanks
[08:04:07] <ComputationalLin>	 This is great. Much appreciated!
[08:05:40] <Samuel_>	 :)
[08:58:27] <Samuel_>	 Hey
[09:51:46] <Aditya>	 hi there, i am Aditya.
[09:57:40] <andre__>	 Hi Aditya and welcome. How can we help?
[10:13:30] <Nemo_bis>	 hi Aditya 
[10:15:10] <Aditya>	 Hi Sir.
[10:23:18] <domna>	 Hello, I'm currently trying to install the Math mediawiki extension to my wiki. Unfortunately I get an error: "Failed to parse (PNG conversion failed; check for correct installation of latex, dvips, gs, and convert)" and I cannote get rid of it. I already tried anything described here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Troubleshooting_math_display_errors#.22Failed_to_parse_.28PNG_conversion_failed.3B_check_for_correct_installation_of_la
[10:24:54] <andre__>	 domna, what exactly did you try?
[10:25:08] <andre__>	 under which OS?
[10:25:49] <domna>	 OS is CentOS 7
[10:26:23] <domna>	 I first verified the correct path of gs, latex, dvips, convert and dvipng with where (all reachable and in /usr/bin)
[10:26:56] <domna>	 I tried the texvc command, it returns an parsed output but does not produce a png image
[10:27:21] <domna>	 Then I copied latex.fmt to the images tmp directory, and ran fmtutil-sys --all
[10:28:06] <domna>	 And I installed the the specified packages: yum install tetex tetex-fonts tetex-dvips tetex-latex ghostscript dvipng, but the specific tetex package is not available under centos 7
[10:29:01] <domna>	 With Mediawiki 1.25.1 it worked with MathJax client-side rendering, since 1.26.0 this is not working anymore
[10:29:18] <andre__>	 "the specific tetex package is not available" - which one specifically?
[10:29:40] <domna>	 The centos package to install over yum
[10:30:06] <domna>	 I had to install texlive-tetex instead, but I think that this is more or less the same
[10:32:53] <domna>	 I already tried on server-side rendering (which I prefer) in version 1.25.1 a while ago. There it had something to do with the cancel.sty file, but I could not repair it. So I sticked with client-side rendering
[11:27:06] <zuzak>	 where does mw-vagrant serve mw by default? http://localhost:8080 doesn't work
[12:00:31] <Dev_>	 Hello everyone 
[12:00:39] <Dev_>	 my name is dev
[12:01:04] <Dev_>	 I have participated in Google code in under yyddrvm@gmail.com
[12:19:37] <andre__>	 Hi Dev_! Welcome to IRC!
[12:19:49] <andre__>	 (It's been unusually quiet here in the last hours.)
[12:20:31] <andre__>	 Dev_: out of curiosity, which IRC client did you go for? And have you found any other interesting GCI tasks yet? :)
[12:28:01] <Guneet>	 hello I am Guneet Singh
[12:28:34] <Niharika>	 Hi Guneet!
[12:28:44] <Niharika>	 Welcome to IRC. :) 
[12:35:52] <Dev_>	 can anyone tell me how to register nickname
[12:36:42] <Dev_>	 when i am opening irc client they are telling dev is not registered nickname
[12:38:01] <andre__>	 Dev_: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_on_IRC
[12:38:13] <andre__>	 links to IRC/Instructions
[12:38:26] <Dev_>	 thanks!!
[12:38:49] <andre__>	 sure, no problem :)
[12:41:35] <Niharika>	 Dev_: Guneet: Did you guys setup your MediaWiki install yet? This is a good time to do so. :) 
[12:41:55] <Dev_>	 sorry
[12:44:40] <Guneet>	 nemo_bis are you online
[12:44:52] <Niharika>	 Dev_: Guneet: You need to have a working local installation of mediawiki software in order to test your changes and submit patches for tasks on GCI. 
[12:45:18] <Guneet>	 ok
[12:45:22] <Dev_>	 ok
[12:45:23] <Niharika>	 Guneet: Feel free to ask your question. Someone or the other will reply. 
[12:45:50] <Dev_>	 niharika how do i register a nick name
[12:45:51] <Guneet>	 thanks
[12:46:00] <Guneet>	 bye
[12:46:14] <Niharika>	 Dev_: Google how to register a nickname on IRC. 
[12:46:28] <Dev_>	 i have done 
[12:46:35] <Dev_>	 with freenode
[12:46:46] <Niharika>	 Then it's done right?
[12:47:18] <Dev_>	 but when i open irc client its telling dev is not registered nickname
[12:48:12] <Niharika>	 Dev_: You are right now "Dev_"
[12:48:25] <Dev_>	 yes
[12:49:05] <Niharika>	 Dev_: The nickname you tried to register might already be registered by someone else. In that case you have to pick something else. 
[12:49:27] <Dev_>	 okk
[12:49:38] <Dev_>	 thanks!!!
[12:56:19] <cdev>	 hello everyone
[12:57:15] <cdev>	 I am dev participant of gci under yyddrvm@gmail.com
[13:18:59] <DrSlony>	 Help, I added "$wgFileExtensions[] = 'lcp';" and I also added the lcp extension as text/plain to my server's mime settings, but when I try to upload an lcp file mediawiki complains "File extension ".lcp" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (text/plain)."
[13:19:01] <DrSlony>	 What do I do?
[13:19:25] <DrSlony>	 this is what the file looks like http://filebin.net/4ldcv9k1fl
[13:20:01] <DrSlony>	 xml
[13:22:46] <MatmaRex>	 DrSlony: that file has no XML prolog, that's probably why it's not being detected as XML
[13:23:04] <DrSlony>	 I added "text/plain lcp" to includes/mime.types, now it works
[13:24:12] <MatmaRex>	 DrSlony: you can disable this validation by setting $wgVerifyMimeType = false;
[13:24:43] <MatmaRex>	 !wg VerifyMimeType
[13:24:43] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgVerifyMimeType
[13:26:16] <DrSlony>	 thank you
[13:43:01] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 it'd be great if a bot would post in here also MW release announcements, e.g. the announcement from yesterday/today that there will be a update soon
[14:10:56] <Reedy>	 Erkan_Yilmaz: File a task requesting it; it would indeed be useful
[14:36:26] <googledev>	 Hello everyone,
[14:37:12] <googledev>	 My name is dev.
[14:37:30] <googledev>	 I am GCI 2015 participant.
[14:37:51] <googledev>	 My gmail id is: yyddrvm@gmail.com
[14:39:30] <googledev>	 The world in this days need the most innovative energy resource.
[14:40:12] <googledev>	 So we all must work on this thing with full enthusiasm and think and think. 
[14:40:34] <googledev>	 May our idea be one to save our Mother Earth.
[14:40:39] <Niharika>	 googledev: You've introduced yourself at least four times now. :) Pick a GCI task to work on now?
[14:41:49] <googledev>	 I am just completing my beginner task of introducing myself on IRC client.
[14:42:04] <googledev>	 still you are online!!
[14:42:53] <andre__>	 googledev: thanks for introducing yourself, and welcome. :)
[14:43:02] <andre__>	 which IRC client did you choose?
[14:43:22] <googledev>	 Instantbird
[14:43:38] <andre__>	 ah, nice
[14:43:58] <googledev>	 so whats your task?
[14:47:01] <andre__>	 googledev: My tasks are described on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:AKlapper_%28WMF%29
[14:47:20] <googledev>	 okay
[14:47:47] <googledev>	 so you are bug wrangler
[14:47:53] <andre__>	 and in Google Code-in, my tasks are probably those tasks that I mentor :)
[14:47:56] <andre__>	 yepp
[14:48:27] <googledev>	 So from where are you
[14:50:04] <andre__>	 googledev: I'm from Europe.
[14:50:11] <googledev>	 oh
[14:50:20] <googledev>	 my brother is in london
[14:50:40] <andre__>	 heh :)
[14:50:53] <andre__>	 Have you already looked at other GCI tasks, and found something that interests you?
[14:51:03] <googledev>	 Yes 
[14:51:17] <googledev>	 But i know only some of them
[14:51:24] <googledev>	 very less
[14:51:32] <googledev>	 just will try my best
[14:51:39] <andre__>	 That's normal. We all start somewhere, and learning is part of the process
[14:52:16] <googledev>	 do you know all tasks 
[14:52:25] <googledev>	 in wikimedia 
[14:54:00] <andre__>	 googledev: what do you mean by "know"? I have not read all of them, no, but many of them. :)
[14:55:17] <googledev>	 i am sorry
[14:55:27] <googledev>	 i just meant to ask you
[14:55:28] <Niharika>	 googledev: You seem to be mistaking andre__ for a fellow student. 
[14:56:35] <andre__>	 googledev, no need to apologize - I just wondered what exactly you meant :)
[14:56:52] <googledev>	 ok
[14:57:13] <googledev>	 i was confused because i have so much of work to do now
[14:57:57] <googledev>	 my parents are not supporting me and telling me concentrate just on mu studeis
[14:58:08] <googledev>	 sorry my studies
[15:00:07] <andre__>	 googledev: Good luck finding a good balance... Studies are more important as they have deadlines. Getting some "real world experience" via GCI is a very helpful and useful bonus though :)
[15:00:49] <googledev>	 okay
[15:04:02] <Nemo_bis>	 Hi Aditya, did you have issues connecting with an IRC client? I see you are using the webchat
[15:22:11] <googledev>	 Nemo bis
[15:22:15] <googledev>	 i am dev
[15:22:33] <googledev>	 I am going to submit my task
[15:23:17] <andre__>	 Sure, do it, if you think you've done everything requested in the GCI task :)
[15:23:29] <googledev>	 ya
[15:36:09] <Hello71>	 [15:00:07] < andre__> googledev: Good luck finding a good balance... Studies are more important as they have deadlines. Getting some "real world experience" via GCI is a very helpful and useful bonus 
[15:36:14] <Hello71>	 so does life
[16:11:35] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 Reedy file a task where ?
[16:13:07] <Niharika>	 Erkan_Yilmaz: Phabricator. 
[16:13:37] <Niharika>	 Erkan_Yilmaz: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org Create task - top right (+ sign).
[16:13:58] <gleki>	 Hello. I want to list all pages edited or created at least once after a given timestamp. API for Recent changes lists every edit and for my mediawiki exceeds rclimit=5000. how can i list only distinct pages changed, not changes?
[16:17:31] <andre__>	 Erkan_Yilmaz, http://mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug has more info
[16:20:08] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 thx Niharika andre__ I will look
[16:22:32] <ananayarora>	 andre__: Pushed new changes to Gerrit, Although I can't get the indentation of the comments, right.
[16:23:08] <ananayarora>	 It's showing different on Sublime Text and different on Gerrit 
[16:23:21] <ananayarora>	 legoktm, Reedy ^
[16:23:54] <andre__>	 ananayarora: No need to ping us. We get notifications anyway if we are reviewers.
[16:24:06] <Randy_White>	 What is a easy way to look to see what extensions are installed via the webpage
[16:24:22] <andre__>	 Randy_White: Special:Version
[16:24:24] <ananayarora>	 andre__: You guys are! I was just telling you about the indentation thing so that you don't reject it again :P
[16:24:36] <andre__>	 ananayarora, the indentation needs to get fixed.
[16:25:10] <andre__>	 ananayarora: a consistent style is something we apply
[16:26:30] <SPF|Cloud>	 Hi, for a wiki I have setup two Varnish caching servers (they are both behind an nginx (on the same server, for SSL termination) listening on 80 and 443), and these are in $wgSquidServers. I use nginx to redirect ALL requests on port 80 to port 443 (besides HTTP-Strict-Transport), but when SquidUpdate sends a purge request, it contacts my Varnish servers via
[16:26:31] <SPF|Cloud>	 HTTP and not HTTPS.
[16:26:41] <andre__>	 ananayarora, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions#Tab_size
[16:26:48] <SPF|Cloud>	 How should I instruct SquidUpdate to use HTTPS URLs?
[16:28:59] <SPF|Cloud>	 I use 1.25.3 btw (although I'll update to 1.26 in a few days)
[16:31:06] <IoannisKydonis_>	 I'm a GCI student. How can i get access to Special:PageMigration?
[16:32:32] <andre__>	 on which wiki? and what for?
[16:33:24] <andre__>	 ah, seems to be "visible for all the translation administrators"
[16:33:35] <andre__>	 a question for #mediawiki-i18n maybe?
[16:35:27] <IoannisKydonis_>	 I'm working on this page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PrivatePageProtection and i have added the translation tags but when i go to Special:PageMigration it says that is only accessible by translation administators
[16:36:39] <IoannisKydonis_>	 The task i'm working on says: "copy the old translations to corresponding units with Special:PageMigration". So i need to use Special:PageMigration?
[17:05:13] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 "reduplicate msgs to MediaWiki-announce also to #mediawiki irc" https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121775
[17:06:16] <Krenair>	 those messages aren't formatted for IRC
[17:06:21] <Krenair>	 the topic gets updated when MW releases go out
[17:08:56] <pulkit_>	 Hi
[17:08:56] <pulkit_>	 I'm Pulkit. 
[17:08:56] <pulkit_>	 I'm looking to start contributing to open source. Totally new at this.
[17:08:57] <pulkit_>	 MediaWiki seems like a good option to start with.
[17:08:57] <pulkit_>	 Was wondering what languages MediaWiki uses.
[17:08:57] <pulkit_>	 Although I'm comfortable with any language, I'm a C++ coder. Does MediaWiki have C++ projects I can look into?
[17:11:42] <Krenair>	 hi pulkit_ 
[17:11:50] <Krenair>	 We're primarily PHP and some JS
[17:12:00] <Krenair>	 I don't think we have any C++ projects
[17:12:23] <ankita_>	 Krenair: pulkit_ and some Python too! pywikibot projects
[17:12:41] <Nemo_bis>	 pulkit_: you can search C++ stuff in https://www.openhub.net/orgs/wikimedia/projects
[17:12:43] <Krenair>	 not really MediaWiki though
[17:13:03] <Krenair>	 certainly not core, not really an extension or skin
[17:14:09] <pulkit_>	 That's okay. I can work with other languages as well.
[17:14:09] <pulkit_>	 What would be some good starting projects for a newbie?
[17:14:45] <Nemo_bis>	 pulkit_: does https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker help?
[17:15:00] <Nemo_bis>	 pulkit_: did you click my link? we have plenty of C++ things to do
[17:15:15] <Randy___>	 Hello everyone 
[17:15:19] <pulkit_>	 Yep. Checking it out now.
[17:15:40] <Nemo_bis>	 Hi Randy___ 
[17:16:35] <Randy___>	 Wizzywig
[17:17:20] <Randy___>	 I found one but it doesnt seem to be as straight forward of an install, like all the other extensions have been 
[17:18:55] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 Krenair right, so better could be: post the title with a link to the mailing list posting
[17:20:36] <Erkan_Yilmaz>	 updated it with that new info
[17:22:35] <Randy___>	 Does anyone have a good set of instructions how to install a wysiwyg
[17:24:22] <Krenair>	 Erkan_Yilmaz, doesn't it go on the mediawiki.org main page?
[17:59:56] <Auger>	 hello
[18:04:08] <anmol_wassan>	 Hi! Can anyone here tell me how to use the template "Cite Web"?
[18:28:46] <Nemo_bis>	 anmol_wassan: unlikely; that's a Wikipedia thing, try #wikipedia or #wikipedia-en
[18:29:06] <Nemo_bis>	 If you meant to ask about importing the template on a non-Wikimedia MediaWiki wiki, that's another matter.
[19:22:06] <Amgine>	 <wishes there were a magic word to give relative time from a date> {{relative_day:Dec 16, 2015}} = Yesterday, {{relative_day:Dec 18, 2015}} = Tomorrow, etc.
[19:46:44] <duairc>	 Hey
[19:47:39] <duairc>	 I'm using the "Export to PDF" function on Wikipedia. I presume this is a MediaWiki feature and not something specific to Wikipedia. I'm wondering if it's possible to get the LaTeX it generates before it turns that into a PDF?
[19:48:21] <Reedy>	 It's from the Collection extension
[20:07:28] <Randy___>	 Hello again 
[20:08:02] <Randy___>	 Our team Wiki is looking really good thanks to the help of some of you.
[20:08:33] <Randy___>	 Now I'm looking for a easy to use Wiki editor, does anyone have any suggestions 
[20:10:37] <Randy___>	 The built in one does the basics but I would like to know of something that will make it easy for the users that will be contributing.
[20:11:24] <MGChecker>	 Do you want the same editor like it'S in use at Wikimedia wikis?
[20:15:18] <Randy___>	 That might work 
[20:16:15] <Randy___>	 I tried getting WYSIWYG-CKeditor but I havent not been able to work 
[20:34:25] <Randy___>	 Kind of slow today 
[20:40:11] <shiftsayan>	 hi, can someone help me with how to get started with vagrant and mediawiki dev?
[20:40:20] <shiftsayan>	 i have installed vagrant
[20:40:36] <shiftsayan>	 but how do I get into the actual development part
[20:41:19] <Reedy>	 Have you followed the instructions?
[20:41:19] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant#Quick_start
[20:41:41] <shiftsayan>	 yes
[20:42:06] <Vulpix>	 shiftsayan: find a bug that you feel comfortable with, reproduce the problem on your installation, find the cause of the problem, fix it, and submit a patch for review :)
[20:42:43] <shiftsayan>	 umm, i do not know how to reproduce the problem on my installation
[20:42:55] <Reedy>	 Which bug have you chosen?
[20:43:57] <shiftsayan>	 i am more interested in the todos initially
[20:44:09] <Reedy>	 So, which TODO have you chosen?
[20:44:13] <MGChecker>	 Randy___: Dou you mean the VisualEditor, that can be enabled as a beta feature at wikimedia wiki?
[20:44:17] <Reedy>	 Or more than one
[20:44:43] <MGChecker>	 How xou install that is different depending on your server, I never tried hard enough to install it successfully
[20:45:59] <shiftsayan>	 check if it's viable to use localeconv() for the decimal separator thing.
[20:47:36] <Reedy>	 Try changing it and run the unit tests
[20:47:58] <shiftsayan>	 i am totally unfamiliar with how to start
[20:51:11] <Randy___>	 MGChecker I will see if I can find how to set that up in Mediawiki 
[20:51:33] <Vulpix>	 shiftsayan: if you don't know what to do, try looking at a different TODO or task that you feel more comfortable with
[20:51:56] <shiftsayan>	 i am unfamiliar with the entire process in general
[20:52:05] <shiftsayan>	 that is what I am interested in knowing how to go about
[20:52:26] <shiftsayan>	 i installed vagrant-mw + virtualbox only 2 hours back
[20:53:41] <Vulpix>	 !start ?
[20:53:41] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[20:55:39] <MGChecker>	 Randy_: If you're working with a shared host, it's really complex
[20:59:23] <Randy___>	 I just have one Redhat server running Mediawiki
[21:00:51] <Randy___>	 When you say shared host what does that mean 
[21:02:16] <MGChecker>	 The most webhosters have (for low-prices) only shared hosts without root access and so on
[21:04:04] <Randy___>	 Mine is on prem 
[21:27:36] <Nemo_bis>	 I have a feeling this page is slightly outdated :) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Edit_token
[21:49:57] <Nemo_bis>	 srsly "Since revision 18112, a trailing backslash has been added to edit tokens, and edit tokens made of a single backslash introduced for anonymous users. This change has been done to prevent broken proxies from editing: proxies that cannot correctly handle the backslash typically also mess up the wiki markup code. This suffix has been changed to +\ in r23287 to also catch broken proxies which mangle the '+' character."
[21:54:17] <Vulpix>	 this is still valid
[22:06:18] <Nemo_bis>	 Vulpix: what do you think about https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/4954477459144704/preview/
[22:07:10] <Vulpix>	 > 404. That's an error. The requested URL was not found. That's all we know.
[22:07:25] <Nemo_bis>	 Vulpix: try https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/4954477459144704
[22:07:28] <Vulpix>	 I guess the "preview" indicates it's private
[22:08:05] <Nemo_bis>	 Vulpix: no
[22:08:38] <Nemo_bis>	 just me making up URLs incorrectly
[22:10:35] <Vulpix>	 looks good. Some of those page already use {{MW file}} which can include a link to the class by providing class1=
[22:13:59] <Vulpix>	 may be worth mentioning
[22:15:28] <Nemo_bis>	 First let's assess the size of the problem
[22:15:47] <Nemo_bis>	 Vulpix: don't you read the task as saying that {{outdated}} must be always unconditionally added?
[22:17:13] <Vulpix>	 yes, although my mind auto-corrected me thinking that was too horrible to be true
[22:19:51] <Vulpix>	 Nemo_bis: if that's going to happen, it would be nice to retire those pages from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Language_policy/Migration_list to not waste translators time and effort
[22:25:41] <Nemo_bis>	 Vulpix: dunno what's going to happen, maybe that's not what the task meant
[22:25:46] <Nemo_bis>	 Niharika: can you clarify?
[22:27:53] <Nemo_bis>	 Vulpix: does this look sane? https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:MW_file&diff=1966845&oldid=1814305
[22:30:10] <Vulpix>	 looks good
[22:30:43] <Vulpix>	 I don't know if {{PAGENAME}} may be wrong on translated pages, though
[22:32:17] <Nemo_bis>	 Vulpix: maybe even source pages https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Img_auth.php 
[22:33:04] <Vulpix>	 uh, wait, you put triple brackets on PAGENAME
[22:34:10] <Nemo_bis>	 ^^
[22:36:44] <Nemo_bis>	 Vulpix: the hard part is to guess the case of the first letter...
[22:37:25] <Vulpix>	 hmm, it needs {{URLENCODE:}} or something now, breaks https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:Img_auth.php&action=edit&preview=yes
[22:38:39] <Nemo_bis>	 Niharika: now you have a list of pages which need links https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:MediaWiki_code_pages_without_class_names
[22:39:23] <Vulpix>	 Nemo_bis: or use {{{1}}} directly?
[22:40:17] <Nemo_bis>	 yeah let's use that first
[22:40:18] <Vulpix>	 gtg
[23:19:37] <Randy___>	 I just cant seem to get any of the WYSIWIGS working 
[23:19:51] <Randy___>	 are there bugs in mediawiki 1.25
[23:20:24] <Reedy>	 Many of those extensions are unmaintained
[23:20:44] <Randy___>	 are there bugs in Mediawiki 1.25 and WYSIWIGS
[23:21:12] <Randy___>	 Can you recommend one that you know works 
[23:21:22] <Reedy>	 Which extension?
[23:21:54] <Randy___>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor
[23:22:16] <Randy___>	 When I hit edit to test it the page just freezes 
[23:23:32] <Randy___>	 then I tried this WYSIWYG-CKeditor and the toolbar disappeared 
[23:24:15] <Randy___>	 all the pieces I tried that were in the help pages nothing seem to work 
[23:25:32] <Hydronium>	 Randy___: do you have parsoid set up?
[23:26:32] <Randy___>	 No from what I was reading that is only needed if your trying to edit old pages but should work on create pages 
[23:27:11] <Hydronium>	 From the docs: "Without the Parsoid Node.js service you will not be able to edit existing pages or save pages!"
[23:27:28] <Randy___>	 thats correct 
[23:27:54] <Hydronium>	 Well, doesn't creating pages involve saving?
[23:28:12] <Hydronium>	 If you need to I think someone has hacked together a way to run parsoid on free hosting services
[23:28:13] <Hydronium>	 like https://www.openshift.com/
[23:28:41] <Randy___>	 I didnt care about saving I just wanted to see the VE and decide if thats what I want 
[23:29:31] <Hydronium>	 If you want to test you can head over to https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[23:29:49] <Hydronium>	 Make an account/Login, enable VisualEditor in your Beta preferences, and create a paeg
[23:31:15] <Hydronium>	 e.g. you can create a page at https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/VisualEditor_test
[23:32:10] <Randy___>	 Is there really much difference with VE or the default editor 
[23:32:33] <Hydronium>	 VE is complete WYSIWYG. radical difference