[00:21:48] <Amgine>	 What is the current best-practice for installing/maintaining mediawiki?
[00:40:24] <popolon>	 hi
[00:40:34] <popolon>	 there is a problem with my account on mediawiki
[00:40:39] <popolon>	 I've a global account
[00:41:02] <popolon>	 when I give my email adress to reset it => There is no email address recorded for user "Popolon".
[00:41:30] <popolon>	 when I try to create account it say there is already one ?
[00:41:40] <MatmaRex>	 hello
[00:42:07] <popolon>	 I'm loged on fr/en/wikidata/commons/...
[00:42:35] <MatmaRex>	 so… what exactly is the problem?
[00:42:38] <popolon>	 I already used mediawiki account to transfer image from a specific wiki to commons
[00:42:54] <popolon>	 MatmaRex: I can't log on www.mediawiki.org
[00:43:27] <popolon>	 so I can't use tool to transfer from ru.wikipedia to commons with commonshelper
[00:45:13] <MatmaRex>	 popolon: what exactly happens when you try to log in? are you sure you're typing the password correctly?
[00:46:07] <popolon>	 perhaps it's different from commons or fr ?
[00:46:19] <popolon>	 if that's the case, I use a wrong password
[00:46:24] <popolon>	 perhaps
[00:46:38] <popolon>	 but anyway I can't ask to reset it on commons
[00:47:00] <popolon>	 because it says there is no email associated to account :(
[00:47:17] <popolon>	 and global accoun seems to be dissociated from him
[00:47:25] <MatmaRex>	 well, presumably there isn't one?
[00:47:34] <MatmaRex>	 the global account appears fine, at a glance.
[00:47:44] <MatmaRex>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth&target=Popolon
[00:48:09] <MatmaRex>	 it's possible for your password on different wikis to be different, i think…
[00:52:01] <popolon>	 how can I reset it on mediawiki then ?
[00:52:16] <popolon>	 I used commons helper few weeks (or month) ago
[00:54:57] <popolon>	 ok connected
[00:55:04] <popolon>	 I will reset password to the same than other
[00:55:08] <popolon>	 thanks and sorry
[00:55:19] <popolon>	 didn't work at first time, perhaps mispelled it ???
[00:57:35] <popolon>	 ...
[00:57:47] <popolon>	 so now commons helper write I'm not connected :(
[00:58:25] <popolon>	 ok
[00:58:27] <popolon>	 workd :(
[10:50:16] <GrandePuffo>	 hi guys, someone can help me in italian? thanks :)
[12:01:49] <mihai>	 hi
[12:02:17] <Guest63535>	 hi
[12:02:46] <Guest63535>	 I'm trying to install mediawiki and it stops at Creating main page with default content...
[12:03:19] <Guest63535>	 anyone knows where to look for errors or something?
[12:18:06] <ankita_>	 Guest63535: What command were you executing? 
[12:22:42] <Guest63535>	 no command
[12:22:45] <Guest63535>	 just install
[12:23:07] <Guest63535>	 i've put the files in a folder and I made web installation
[12:23:26] <Guest63535>	 it creates the database, every other step is marked as 'done'
[12:23:58] <Guest63535>	 but the page stops at 'Creating main page with default content...'
[12:24:10] <Guest63535>	 and the LocalSettings.php does not get created
[12:24:57] <Guest63535>	 i'm treying to set it up on windows 2012
[12:25:00] <Guest63535>	 IIS
[12:45:25] <Lord-Simon>	 ...IIS
[12:51:37] <Guest63535>	 on windows
[12:51:59] <Guest63535>	 Internet Information Services
[12:55:03] <ankita_>	 Guest63535: Can you please follow the installation steps given in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker and notify if you get any error?
[13:07:33] <Guest63535>	 i did
[13:07:38] <Guest63535>	 and i ran php maintenance/install.php
[13:08:05] <Guest63535>	 Argument <admin> required!
[13:08:25] <Guest63535>	 after i ran it with <admin>
[13:08:47] <Guest63535>	 it says: The system cannot find the file specified.
[13:09:56] <andre__>	 Could you paste exact commands, instead of paraphrasing them?
[13:10:11] <andre__>	 Just to avoid misunderstandings.
[13:10:52] <Guest63535>	 php maintenance/install.php <admin>:xxxxxxxx
[13:11:02] <Guest63535>	 instead of xxxx is my name
[13:12:54] <andre__>	 which page do you exactly follow?
[13:12:57] <andre__>	 oir guide
[13:17:07] <Guest63535>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki
[13:20:29] <ankita_>	 Guest63535: If you are installing for development or testing, consider using MediaWiki-Vagrant, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant
[13:24:10] <andre__>	 Guest63535: if it says "The system cannot find the file specified.", and as "php maintenance/install.php" is a relative file path, either use an absolute path or or go to the correct folder first. That's my guess.
[13:24:29] <andre__>	 but I don't know what you're trying to do. If you "just" want to develop or test, I'd also recommend Vagrant, just like ankita already wrote.
[13:35:05] <Lord-Simon>	 eh
[13:35:17] <Lord-Simon>	 windows does not have / but \
[13:36:05] <Lord-Simon>	 Also, what can it not find ? php or the install.php ?
[13:36:22] <Lord-Simon>	 also, file named iinstall.php does not exist
[15:28:14] <Chiyo>	 would anyone know why wgScriptPath doesn't work in the conf array?
[15:28:31] <Reedy>	 example?
[15:28:49] <Chiyo>	 err, 2 mins
[15:35:46] <Chiyo>	 Reedy - https://github.com/WikiMissing/mw-config/blob/master/LocalSettings.php#L53 and http://wikimissingfoundation.org
[15:37:29] <Reedy>	 Just looking at WMF config...
[15:37:36] <Reedy>	 It has it in both InitialiseSettings and in CommonSettings
[15:38:59] <Reedy>	 I suspect it's done for a reason
[15:40:03] <Betacommand>	 !rights
[15:40:03] <wm-bot>	 For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[15:40:07] <Reedy>	 I just removed it from IS in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/260242
[15:42:31] <Chiyo>	 the thing is, it works if I take it out of the array, but I don't see why it stops working if it's in the array
[15:42:48] <Reedy>	 I've no idea
[15:42:57] <Reedy>	 Maybe it gets set too late in the process
[15:44:17] <Chiyo>	 not sure
[15:44:25] <Chiyo>	 could it be the rewrite rules are wrong?
[15:44:38] <Reedy>	 Maybe, but I wouldn't think so
[15:45:04] <Reedy>	 Like I say, the WMF config has it in both, so for it not to be removed from the way not setting it in the array, suggests there's an issue
[15:45:11] <Reedy>	 You could file a bug about it
[15:48:28] <Chiyo>	 http://pastebin.com/jS3KCc73
[15:56:29] <Chiyo>	 oh, I think I see it
[15:56:45] <Chiyo>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117899
[16:29:02] <Chiyo>	 ok no, but it is having a problem pulling from the array
[16:30:08] <Reedy>	 File a bug
[17:51:03] <Chiyo>	 does mediawiki have a cache for the urls it serves?
[17:51:14] <Chiyo>	 I'm trying to disable short urls but it keeps redirecting
[17:52:22] <andre__>	 what are "short URLs"?
[17:52:56] <Chiyo>	 foo.com/wiki/bar
[17:58:50] <Glaisher>	 Chiyo: I don't think mediawiki caches that but the browser might have a cache for 301 redirects
[18:01:14] <Chiyo>	 i've cleared it out, restarted apache but it still keeps it
[18:05:46] <Glaisher>	 Chiyo: Maybe try asking at the apache channel?
[18:14:41] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 Glaisher: try using curl to test
[18:15:09] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 curl never caches redirects
[18:15:34] <Glaisher>	 I think you meant to ping Chiyo 
[18:20:45] <RobotsOnDrugs>	 oh yes, i read the backlog too fast
[19:23:47] <Husun>	 hello!
[19:24:24] <andre__>	 hi
[19:28:00] <Husun>	 andre_ do you know of a way of knowing the amount of viewers any wiki page may have?
[19:29:43] <Reedy>	 We removed the hit counters
[19:30:55] <Husun>	 what is that?
[19:31:59] <Reedy>	 A rubbish implementation of knowing page viewers
[19:32:13] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RFC/Removing_hit_counters_from_MediaWiki_core
[19:32:26] <Reedy>	 Suggested method is Piwik or Google Analytics
[19:34:11] <Husun>	 Reedy: ah, I see
[19:36:42] <Husun>	 aand, one more problemo: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Presentations/en
[19:37:03] <Husun>	 this page's pdf's don't open, click on them and you see pics
[19:38:09] <Reedy>	 Which pdfs?
[19:39:16] <Husun>	 see the link?
[19:39:34] <Husun>	 in the file column, PDFs
[19:44:21] <Reedy>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Turing100-talk-fin2.pdf works fine for me
[19:44:24] <Reedy>	 first one on the table
[19:47:56] <Chiyo>	 Reedy, I have an example of T122009 now
[19:49:52] <andre__>	 Husun, please provide a specific example of a PDF link not opening on that page
[19:50:06] <andre__>	 Husun, I won't try all of them myself. :)
[19:50:31] <andre__>	 Red links will not open and that's intentional. Blue links should if they are not on external servers.
[19:51:08] <andre__>	 Husun, why are going through all these presentations and want to open them? :)
[19:52:07] <Husun>	 andre__ whooppss, my mistake, it was my internet troubling, :D 
[19:52:46] <Husun>	 andre__ I'm not going through them, just having quick view to see what they are like. :D
[19:52:52] <andre__>	 ok
[20:42:40] <Reedy>	 Chiyo: FYI https://github.com/WikiMissing/mw-config/blob/master/LocalSettings.php#L137
[20:42:45] <Reedy>	 Don't put ?>
[20:43:08] <Chiyo>	 I think that was added automatically, but I'll chop it off
[20:43:26] <Reedy>	 It won't have been by MW
[20:43:50] <Reedy>	 Is $wgSkin correct in eval.php after everything has loaded?
[20:45:34] <Reedy>	 I note WMF does $globals = $wgConf->getAll() and then extract($globals)
[20:47:37] <Reedy>	 Chiyo: Yeah, you're not following the instructions
[20:48:00] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/includes/SiteConfiguration.php#L102-L109
[20:50:53] <Chiyo>	 woudn't that also be the efGetSiteParams part from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgConf#for_1.14_and_newer ?
[20:51:48] <Reedy>	 If it's done in a callback...
[20:52:00] <Reedy>	 God knows when it gets run :)
[20:52:30] <Reedy>	 But you're not putting them into the global scope either
[20:52:43] <Reedy>	 $wgConf->extractAllGlobals( $wgDBname );
[20:52:45] <Reedy>	 You don't have that
[20:52:51] <Reedy>	 Or some variant thereof
[20:53:22] <Chiyo>	 ah
[20:53:36] <Chiyo>	 well now that I know that github exists, I'll do some more reading :)
[20:58:43] <Reedy>	 Chiyo: You've got that file in your checkout anyway ;)
[21:16:37] <Chiyo>	 ah! thank you Reedy
[21:39:03] <sim642>	 Why is mediawiki's API the worst in the world?
[21:40:14] <Reedy>	 What's the worst aobut it?
[21:41:15] <sim642>	 show me the API query which tells if a page is disambiguation or not
[21:42:02] <andre__>	 "Why must every software bug that I personally experience definitely be the worst one in the world?" :P
[21:42:51] <sim642>	 I think disambiguation pages are a feature, or are they a bug?
[21:43:08] <andre__>	 sim642: more seriously, would you fancy help improving the API by providing a patch? For more info, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_access
[21:43:30] <Reedy>	 sim642: No, they're not really a feature
[21:43:46] <Reedy>	 Not of the MediaWiki software anyway
[21:44:25] <sim642>	 andre__, so you're saying no person in the history of mediawiki, for 13 years, has ever needed to check programmatically if a page is disambiguation?
[21:44:45] <Reedy>	 Have they been around 13 years?
[21:44:57] <andre__>	 sim642, https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-api/2013-July/003080.html ?
[21:45:12] <andre__>	 sim642, "you can check if a page has the property using prop=pageprops, optionally with &ppprop=disambiguation"
[21:45:18] <andre__>	 Does that help? Or do I misunderstand?
[21:45:51] <sim642>	 Is that actually documented anywhere other than a single email?
[21:46:01] <andre__>	 Don't know. I don't read docs, I'm no programmer. :D
[21:46:15] <andre__>	 If it's not documented, a bug report in Phabricator is very welcome!
[21:46:32] <andre__>	 see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help
[21:47:04] <Reedy>	 PageProps are new
[21:47:05] <Reedy>	 "new"
[21:47:26] <andre__>	 <blink>New!</blink>
[21:47:32] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=query%2Bpageprops
[21:47:50] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=pagepropnames
[21:47:54] <Reedy>	 !bug 1 | andre__
[21:47:54] <wm-bot>	 andre__: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1
[21:48:39] <andre__>	 Is broken. Bugzilla == dead!
[21:48:43] <andre__>	 !task 1 | andre__
[21:48:43] <wm-bot>	 andre__: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1
[21:48:47] <andre__>	 Cool.
[21:49:02] <andre__>	 should have taken T2001 though