[02:18:17] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Hi people
[02:18:22] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I'd like some feedback
[02:18:49] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Currently to do certain things with tables means you have to add a lot of CSS formatting
[02:19:07] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Is there any interest in having "user-classing" for tables?
[02:19:32] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Whereby the styling information for a table is stored on a 'protected' page 
[02:20:20] <ShakespeareFan00>	 but which can be called upon by invoking it as a table class in the way class=wikitable is done sometimes currently
[02:20:21] <p858snake>	 you can already do css classing from the mediawiki: skin pages
[02:20:29] <p858snake>	 eg: common.css
[02:20:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 p858snake:  This would be per table
[02:20:39] <p858snake>	 (check a example out on en.wikipedia)
[02:22:27] <ShakespeareFan00>	 You write a page called  mytables.css  and then you do {|extclass="mytables"  class=mytable1  etc...
[02:22:42] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I.E the table's CSS class is in an externaly specfied file
[02:22:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Is this possible?
[02:23:36] <ShakespeareFan00>	 The intent is that you can have teo table using different "mytables" provided the external file used is different... ( mediawiki doing some internal name munging so they are unique
[02:23:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 )
[02:24:04] <ShakespeareFan00>	 so you could have mytables_table1   and fancytables_table1  etc
[02:24:16] <ShakespeareFan00>	 CSS does this
[02:24:27] <ShakespeareFan00>	 What it cant do is the name wrangling...
[02:24:44] <ShakespeareFan00>	 which is the mmediawiki side
[03:32:48] <agarwalrohit>	 Hi! My name is Rohit Agarwal and I am a participant of GCI 2015. I am new here.
[03:33:05] <Base-w>	 agarwalrohit: hi :)
[03:33:15] <agarwalrohit>	 hi
[03:34:17] <Amgine>	 Good morning!
[06:47:16] <Brent_>	 Hello
[06:49:11] <Base-w>	 Brent_: hi
[06:50:18] <Brent_>	 I was told that if I needed help installing mediawiki to come ask for help here. I feel I've explored all my options on the website and via google
[06:52:44] <Base-w>	 yeah here are some very nice guys who probably will be of help, so feel free to ask what you need :)
[06:53:15] <Base-w>	 (I am not of them so I can use characteristics like this :) )
[06:54:25] <Brent_>	 Well thank you for replying =)
[09:32:44] <PJosepherum>	 hey i have set mediawiki's github as my project's upstream repo. i tried to fetch upstream and merge REL1_26 to patch to version 1.26.2, but my Special:Version reads (dd08dbb)
[09:32:45] <PJosepherum>	 09:27, 9 January 2016
[09:32:56] <PJosepherum>	 1.26.0
[09:50:07] <Nemo_bis>	 What is going on? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Flow_talk_page_manager
[09:51:19] <Base-w>	 apparently Flow bot vandalises mww
[09:51:46] <Base-w>	 I just hope that only talks pages of those who agreed on this by enabling the betafunction
[09:52:17] <Base-w>	 if this vile thing does this blasphemy to my talk page I will be angry
[09:52:25] <p858snake>	 #wikimedia-collaboration would probably be the recommended place to enquiry
[09:52:27] <Nemo_bis>	 It seems the bot creates a fake contribution every time someone posts a new topic
[09:52:37] <Nemo_bis>	 e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Svyb28ovuyefrnym&action=history
[09:52:56] <Nemo_bis>	 resulting into  11:01, 6 gen 2016 (diff | cron) . . (+1)‎ . . N Topic:Svyb28ovuyefrnym ‎ (→‎This page has been converted into a Flow discussion board)
[09:54:59] <Nemo_bis>	 Other than non-existing edits it doesn't seem to be doing much, only https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Flow+talk+page+manager&namespace=2600&nsInvert=1&tagfilter=&newOnly=1&year=2016&month=-1
[10:04:02] <Base-w>	 it considers users' languages as per their prefs?
[10:04:28] <Base-w>	 it's interesting, I do not think there was a way to know what language does a user use before
[10:09:06] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Hi
[10:09:12] <ShakespeareFan00>	 In wikimedia table markup
[10:09:21] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Is there a way to do subclassing
[10:09:22] <ShakespeareFan00>	 ?
[10:09:48] <ShakespeareFan00>	 So that you can define CSS styles for individual columns without needing to write lebgthy CSS for each coloumn?
[10:15:57] <Base-w>	 I may be wrong but I believe that unless via Mediawiki:Common.css, no
[10:16:46] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Do I need to file this a Phab request
[10:17:14] <ShakespeareFan00>	 here I'm writing a lot of very similar code https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Mrs_Beeton's_Book_of_Household_Management.djvu/1922
[10:17:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Ts is a short hand used at Wikisource to generate a style="" string for table 
[10:18:20] <ShakespeareFan00>	 The net result of having to call Ts for each table cell is that there's a MASSIVE load on the Parser...
[10:19:56] <ShakespeareFan00>	 If it were possible to replace these with a single classed style at the head of the table,  and put class= for each of the relevant table entries, the load would be transfered from the parser to the browser.
[10:19:57] <Base-w>	 well you can just use style="". heh but could you remind me how would it be solved in html?
[10:20:27] <ShakespeareFan00>	 In HTML you would define a set of classed CSS stlyes for td,entry,  td.rowendenntry and so on
[10:20:59] <ShakespeareFan00>	 in HTML youd then  put class=entry  class=rowendentry on the relevant <TD> tags
[10:21:42] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I've tried to do a style="td { <style> }"  but media wiki doesn't like the single opening bracket when parsing..
[10:21:53] <Base-w>	 well they only way to define styles for classes I know of is via Mediawiki:Common.css (if we are speaking about skin independent)
[10:22:09] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Right
[10:22:19] <Base-w>	 *they only
[10:22:20] <ShakespeareFan00>	 But in general Common.css should be for genuinely Common styles
[10:22:54] <ShakespeareFan00>	 At Wikisource there is a need for per work, per table defineable style classes...
[10:23:22] <Base-w>	 well yeah perhaps for WS it would make sense for having perbook styles definition
[10:23:34] <Base-w>	 I am not sure about per table
[10:24:31] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Base-W:   In my example page,  you would deinfe  styles for  brcol, arcol  ar_brcol etc...
[10:24:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 at the start of the table...
[10:27:31] <ShakespeareFan00>	 and then do a line like  |class=ar, br |567||class=ar |0|class=ar |5|class=ar,brd|0 etc...
[10:27:54] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Moving what would be the {{ts}} calls into class definitions to be handled browser side
[10:32:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Whilst this would load more onto the user side of things it would resolve some issues with hitting tha transclude limit
[10:37:49] <auvajs>	 hi, how to get a list of all wiki users via api?
[10:38:05] <auvajs>	 I mean a list of all registered users on a wiki
[10:39:58] <auvajs>	 ah I found it
[10:49:38] <PJosepherum>	 hey i have set mediawiki's github as my project's upstream repo. i tried to fetch upstream and merge REL1_26 to patch to version 1.26.2, but my Special:Version reads 1.26.0 (dd08dbb) 09:27, 9 January 2016
[10:53:52] <p858snake>	 did your git give you any issues when you ran the commands to upgrade?
[10:58:06] <PJosepherum>	 nope, git fetch upstream worked fine, and git merge upstream/REL1_26 worked fine
[10:58:27] <PJosepherum>	 the RELEASE-NOTES-* file has notes for 1.26.2
[10:58:42] <PJosepherum>	 it seems to have updated, but the version number has not
[11:09:36] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Base-w : https://jsfiddle.net/tdesnh2e/
[11:09:37] <p858snake>	 PJosepherum: have you run the upgrade script?
[11:09:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Ideally Mediawiki could support something like that
[11:10:20] <ShakespeareFan00>	 where the external class file to use is given as a paramter
[11:10:26] <p858snake>	 Although I think you will find some files didn't fetch properly by the sounds
[11:11:12] <ShakespeareFan00>	 ie you do {|classes="Table.css"  and Mediwiki does some internal name munging
[11:20:16] <PJosepherum>	 yes i ran update.php
[11:20:22] <PJosepherum>	 i will attempt another fetch
[11:26:22] <PJosepherum>	 "Already up-to-date."
[11:26:52] <PJosepherum>	 do i need to merge the tag?
[12:56:54] <elenaberechet>	 Buna ziua tuturor.
[13:34:24] <epeli_>	 does anyone here have a clue what could cause login sessions to fail on a single namespace? the file namespace in this case. everything else works perfectly.
[13:38:45] <tom29739>	 How would I use the API to get the number of edits for a user?
[17:42:48] <PJosepherum>	 hey i attempted to fetch upstream mediawiki from github to update my project to 1.26.2, however upon git merge upstream/REL1_26, and running update.php, Special:Version reads: 1.26.0 (dd08dbb) 09:27, 9 January 2016
[17:43:07] <PJosepherum>	 the release notes file contains the notes for 1.26.2 however
[17:44:01] <Reedy>	 update.php won't change that
[17:44:06] <Reedy>	 What's DefaultSettings.php say?
[17:44:54] <PJosepherum>	 where?
[17:45:20] <Reedy>	 grep grep
[17:45:22] <Reedy>	 ffs
[17:45:22] <Reedy>	 grep
[17:45:25] <Reedy>	 DAMN IT
[17:45:32] <Reedy>	 grep wgVersion includes/DefaultSettings.php
[17:46:09] <PJosepherum>	 $wgVersion = '1.26.2';
[17:47:20] <Reedy>	 Presumably it's a cache issue
[17:47:41] <Reedy>	 Does the updater show correctly?
[17:49:11] <Amgine>	 <eyes Reedy suspiciously>
[17:49:52] <Reedy>	 wut
[17:53:02] <PJosepherum>	 ah right thanks
[17:53:11] <PJosepherum>	 lemme try restart redis :)
[17:54:16] <PJosepherum>	 still no
[17:54:39] <PJosepherum>	 anyway it seems to be the latest version in any case, just weird that the version number hasn't incremented
[17:55:21] <Reedy>	 It's using CACHE_ANYTHING
[17:58:23] <PJosepherum>	 u wot
[18:06:55] <Leah>	 grep -i reedy
[18:09:03] <PJosepherum>	 -i made no difference
[18:09:16] <Leah>	 I was just making a joke, ignore me.
[18:09:43] <PJosepherum>	 is not even valid option
[18:10:29] <Leah>	 Sounds like a crazy version of grep if it doesn't have -i.
[18:15:15] <PJosepherum>	 purging the special page manually didn't fix the version number - i'm not sure it is a cache issue, because the version number contains today's date
[18:15:22] <PJosepherum>	 and i suppose, it's not actually version 1.26.2, because REL1_26 is rolling
[18:15:31] <PJosepherum>	 i suppose if i checkout the tag 1.26.2, it would update
[18:16:47] <Leah>	 Special:Version is pretty intentionally not cached in most places.
[18:16:54] <Leah>	 What happens if you append a cache-buster to the URL?
[18:17:05] <Leah>	 Like Special:Version?foooo or whatever.
[20:53:28] <joergi>	 What is the images/temp/ folder in MediaWiki good for?
[20:53:48] <Reedy>	 temporary images :)
[20:54:06] <joergi>	 Reedy, Reedy... :-)
[20:54:10] <joergi>	 :-D
[20:54:18] <joergi>	 I have plenty of files in it, many of them years old
[20:54:28] <joergi>	 They are named something like
[20:54:44] <joergi>	 120px-12234uzzndgg.k6eay.1375..png
[20:54:54] <joergi>	 Are these files relevant for anything?
[20:55:02] <joergi>	 Or can I just delete them?
[20:55:04] <Reedy>	 They sound like artefacts of thumbnailing
[20:55:38] <joergi>	 They in fact are valid image files and they are thumbnails of actual images
[20:55:38] <Reedy>	 They're used for upload stashing and such
[20:55:48] <Reedy>	 So, if they're old... You should be fine to remove them
[20:56:03] <joergi>	 They are as old as from 2009 (for example).
[21:27:15] <PMZ_>	 Hi pals, may I ask about Semantic Wiki?
[21:27:45] <PMZ_>	 Is here anyone who uses Semantic Wiki and likes it?
[21:32:58] <PMZ_>	 Ok, seems noone. Another theme. I have categories, as usual. Say, Category:Moscow and also Category:Ivan Petrov. The 1st is about place, the 2nd is about man.
[21:33:25] <PMZ_>	 May I make a new namespace that will not be named Category, yet will act as category?
[21:33:44] <PMZ_>	 So to have Category:Moscow and Names:Ivan Petrov?
[21:33:57] <PMZ_>	 This is a bit like semantics in namespaces.
[21:38:31] <Reedy>	 You can add namespace aliases
[21:38:36] <Reedy>	 !namespaces
[21:38:36] <wm-bot>	 See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Namespaces for user help and documentation, and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Namespace for administration. For adding namespaces, see !extranamespace
[21:38:37] <Reedy>	 !aliases
[21:38:42] <Reedy>	 !extranamesapces
[21:38:47] <Reedy>	 !extranamespaces
[21:38:47] <wm-bot>	 To add a namespace, modify your LocalSettings.php file, and add namespaces via $wgExtraNamespaces. A comprehensive set of instructions for adding a namespace can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces>. $wgExtraNamespaces can also be used to rename the default namespaces.
[21:38:52] <Reedy>	 Not quite..
[21:41:50] <PMZ_>	 Thanks for the link about custom ones, will read immediately!
[21:42:15] <Reedy>	 but yeah, if you want to do that, you want namespace aliases
[21:43:28] <PMZ_>	 Looks like custom NS are content NS, not category NS. I wanted to get a category-looking NS that will be separate from Category: NS.
[21:43:48] <Reedy>	 Ah
[21:44:01] <PMZ_>	 I hoped to get Name:Ivan Petrov independent from Category:Ivan Petrov.
[21:44:38] <PMZ_>	 So I could mark the page not with [[Category:Ivan Petrov]] but with [[Name:Ivan Petrov]].
[21:44:49] <PMZ_>	 And to have separate search in that NS.
[21:45:44] <Reedy>	 But then it'll be just a link to that page
[21:45:54] <Reedy>	 The namespace won't have the category functionality
[21:48:48] <PMZ_>	 You mean, all the special that belongs to Category: NS is based on its NS name? Or on this special NS number?
[21:49:01] <PMZ_>	 And we cannot make a new NS with the same functionality
[21:49:03] <PMZ_>	 ?
[21:49:10] <Reedy>	 Exactly
[21:49:19] <PMZ_>	 Woe and alas.
[21:50:20] <PMZ_>	 But, well, there are User categories (hidden ones) in Commons. They are shown separately...
[21:50:37] <Reedy>	 Which ones?
[21:53:06] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Category#Hiding_categories
[21:53:13] <Reedy>	 They're still categories, effectively
[21:53:32] <Reedy>	 It's just some display differences
[21:54:21] <PMZ_>	 Not any better than cat alias...
[21:59:37] <PMZ_>	 Also, category alias always redirects into the category. It does not help to stay in that alias-named NS.
[22:00:24] <Reedy>	 No
[22:00:39] <Reedy>	 You could probably hack core to make a similar category namespace
[22:00:44] <Reedy>	 It'll get stupid
[22:00:55] <Reedy>	 As you'll need to dig into the parser, add tracking tables, api modules etc...
[22:01:55] <PMZ_>	 Yes, it takes more effors than benefits...
[22:16:39] <joergi>	 Reedy, after trying with one of the images, I have now removed the temp files.
[22:17:14] <joergi>	 That frees more than 1.4 GB in my case. I wonder, why MediaWiki does not clean that up automatically...