[00:00:48] <jsl14>	 uh.. never mind... seems it.. appeared
[01:48:17] <Cpiral>	 Losing edits when leaving the page.  Just started happening.  Happenning on Mediawiki and Wikipedia.
[02:12:23] <Cpiral>	 Anyone losing edits when they leave the edit page?
[02:15:22] <Trela>	 Yeah... If you leave without saving you will lose your edits.
[02:18:22] <Cpiral>	 Yeah... they should be there when you get back?
[02:47:02] <Cpiral>	 Losing edit when leaving the page.  This is abnormal.  Anyone?
[02:48:50] <MaxSem>	 wasn't it always like that? :P
[03:09:51] <Cpiral>	 No, for example, when testing a wikilink from a preview, you should be able to return back to your edit safely, all in the same tab.
[03:18:01] <Trela>	 That is generally a browser feature to remember form data when accidentally browsing away from the page.
[03:23:21] <Cpiral>	 No, please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#WP:TESTLINK
[03:45:23] <Cpiral>	 You should not lose your edits when you leave a page and return.   I've been doing that for years.  I even wrote an essay about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cpiral/Surf_your_cache
[03:46:07] <Cpiral>	 Currently, the system just started throwing away edits for leaving the edit page and returning.  It's not on my end.
[05:33:07] <csmith_>	 help
[05:55:10] <Reception|away>	 How could I set nuke to limit deleting more than 50 page
[05:55:13] <Reception|away>	 s
[05:55:22] <Reception|away>	 for example I want users to only be able to nuke 50 pages or less
[05:57:38] <cubuntu>	 hello?
[05:58:23] <Leah>	 Hi?
[05:59:51] <CodySUbuntu>	 hello?
[06:27:20] <Ash___>	 I am using the bootstrap-mediawiki skin on my wiki page (https://github.com/borkweb/bootstrap-mediawiki), but it does not provide any button of sign up on the first page. How can I do it
[06:27:22] <Ash___>	 ?
[06:32:49] <Dereckson>	 Ash___: http://borkweb.github.io/bootstrap-mediawiki/ suggests to add relevant links in footer
[06:34:41] <Ash___>	 I want to add the option to the header, next to log in?
[06:35:01] <Ash___>	 if something is possible @Dereckson?
[06:35:30] <Dereckson>	 Ash___: try to add [[Special:UserLogin/signup]] to [[Bootstrap:TitleBar]]
[06:36:47] <Ash___>	 lemme try
[06:39:41] <Ash___>	 it works but how can I change the name visible to sign up
[06:40:01] <Ash___>	 right now the link says Special:UserLogin/signup
[06:40:46] <Dereckson>	 Wikilinks are [[Page|Custom title]].
[06:41:03] <Dereckson>	 So here you can [[Special:UserLogin/signup|Sign up]]
[06:41:54] <Ash___>	 oh yeah
[06:42:09] <Ash___>	 thanks a ton Dereckson
[06:42:17] <Dereckson>	 You're welcome.
[06:42:40] <Ash___>	 just one thing, the search bar and log in of this skin are not controlled by the Bootstrap:TitleBar
[06:42:58] <Ash___>	 Do you know how I can change their Orientation???
[06:46:37] <Dereckson>	 If they are defined directly by the skin, I fear you're stucked with them, or you can create your own theme, copying the Bootstrap one, then modifying what you wish directly in the HTML/CSS markup.
[06:47:53] <Dereckson>	 If it's only a CSS rule to apply, a popular way is also to add it to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]], a stylesheet applied eveywhere
[06:49:21] <Ash___>	 i think it's defined in the skin itself... Should I be looking in the html css file of the used to create bthe skin?
[06:51:15] <Dereckson>	 you can, yes
[08:59:27] <avi__>	 i am avinish bhaskar hello everyone
[09:00:51] <andre__>	 Hi avi__! Welcome to #mediawiki! How can we help you?
[09:01:07] <avi__>	 what is media wiki used for?
[09:03:26] <andre__>	 avi__, it's a wiki software. For example it is the software behind Wikipedia. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki
[09:05:53] <avi__>	 can you tell more about it?
[09:07:25] <andre__>	 avi__, do you have a specific question?
[09:07:33] <andre__>	 the "more about it" is in the link I posted.
[09:07:51] <andre__>	 If some text in that link is unclear, please explain which text and what is unclear. Thanks!
[09:09:42] <avi___>	 thank you sir for the information !
[09:16:14] <avi___>	 IT WAS GREAT KNOWINMG ABOUT MEDIA WIKI
[09:22:28] <andre__>	 avi___: what brought you into this channel, originally? :)
[09:23:06] <avi___>	 MY FRIEND TOLD ME ABOUT IT!
[09:23:46] <andre__>	 (Please disable writing in capital letters only. Thanks.)
[09:24:10] <andre__>	 avi___, your friend told you about MediaWiki but did not tell you what MediaWiki is? :) Interesting
[09:26:23] <avi___>	 that is why i am asking from you  . hehe :)
[12:42:27] <Ash___>	 anyone has some idea how a 'read more' option be creted in a mediawiki project? (for a large text, i wnt only first 30 words to appear with a read more option to make the whole info appear there itself)
[12:55:04] <Hello71>	 oh god
[12:55:24] <andre__>	 yes?
[12:56:35] <Hello71>	 next you'll be telling me you want to paginate it for more ad views
[12:58:48] <Ash___>	 not pagination right now
[12:58:54] <Ash___>	 no idea what it is
[12:59:02] <Ash___>	 just the read more option?
[13:02:31] <Ash___>	 anyone has some idea how a 'read more' option be creted in a mediawiki project? (for a large text, i wnt only first 30 words to appear with a read more option to make the whole info appear there itself)
[13:45:39] <danielloo123>	 Hi! I am Daniel!
[13:50:21] <Niharika>	 Hey danielloo123! Welcome. 
[14:04:41] <Auger>	 morning
[14:06:23] <danielloo123>	 Good Morning!
[14:10:29] <Auger>	 morning danielloo123 
[14:53:07] <cos->	 is it possible to reference a template's own field in templates's data? like {{{image}}} here http://tampere.hacklab.fi:81/index.php?title=Palvelut-Tekniikka#Kontin_tiedot
[15:31:07] <Yaron>	 cos-: can you clarify that question? I don't understand it.
[15:32:56] <cos->	 Yaron: i'd like to reference another field in template data. the template has image=something defined and i'd like to use othervalue=Image is {{{image}}}
[15:33:08] <cos->	 so that othervalue would get value "Image is something"
[15:40:49] <JosefAssad>	 your call to {{{image}}} is inside <pre> tags
[15:41:01] <JosefAssad>	 :)
[16:47:00] <That_Guy>	 Hi Guys
[16:49:35] <That_Guy>	 Nemo_bis: Hi, I am just doing my task, and was asked to introduce myself to you.
[16:49:35] <MatmaRex>	 hello
[16:49:36] <andre__>	 That_Guy, hi, what is "my task"?
[16:50:13] <That_Guy>	 andre__: https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6469176398970880/?sp-page=1
[16:50:50] <andre__>	 That_Guy: ah, so Google Code-In? Always worth to mention, in order to provide some context. :)
[16:51:03] <andre__>	 That_Guy, this is a general #mediawiki IRC channel. Most people will have never heard about GCI.
[16:51:22] <andre__>	 but in any case: Welcome here! :)
[16:53:01] <That_Guy>	 andre__: thanks! You seem very nice. Have you completed many tasks?
[16:56:00] <andre__>	 That_Guy: Heh, thanks. :) I am not a GCI student and too old for that contest, so I did not complete any tasks
[16:56:28] <andre__>	 but I mentored some
[16:57:19] <That_Guy>	 andre__: ohh, sorry. Is mentoring fun?
[16:58:14] <andre__>	 Most of the time yes, especially with talented students. :) Sometimes it can be a bit stressful when there is lots of other (non-GCI) work to do though
[17:01:16] <That_Guy>	 andre__: well, good luck for that work :)
[17:02:48] <andre__>	 thanks :)
[17:04:35] <sanjay_>	 andre__:  I am already there in IRC, can I claim this task.
[17:05:48] <andre__>	 sanjay_, I don't know what "this task" is :)
[17:05:55] <andre__>	 Is this about GCI? If so, say so.
[17:06:01] <sanjay_>	 yes
[17:06:06] <sanjay_>	 andre__: https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6469176398970880/?sp-page=1
[17:06:20] <andre__>	 Then read the description of the task and decide. And if some sentence is unclear, please bring up that sentence. Thanks :)
[17:06:32] <sanjay_>	 ok
[17:07:23] <sanjay_>	 andre__:  sorry i didn't notice that line 'If you have not chatted in Wikimedia IRC channels yet, you can claim this task. You will:'
[17:08:39] <That_Guy>	 andre__: do you know my mentor "nemo_bis"?
[17:10:01] <Niharika>	 That_Guy: Yes, what about him? It's Nemo_bis by the way. 
[17:10:49] <andre__>	 That_Guy: sure
[17:10:57] <andre__>	 and he is also on this channel.
[17:11:47] <That_Guy>	 Niharika: oops, sorry. I just wanted to know if mentors knew eachother, or if they were just randomly selected
[17:13:42] <That_Guy>	 andre__: do you know if he will be online, so that I can prove that I was here
[17:17:22] <andre__>	 That_Guy: The user is logged in, as I wrote already. The user might not be in front of their computer though. This channel is logged.
[17:17:26] <andre__>	 Hence no worries.
[17:17:47] <That_Guy>	 andre__: thanks again :)
[17:34:12] <That_Guy>	 hi
[17:35:40] <MarkTraceur>	 Hi That_Guy, do you have another question?
[17:36:35] <That_Guy>	 MarkTraceur: no sorry, I was just checking that I was still logged in. But thanks for asking
[17:36:42] <MarkTraceur>	 Oh, OK
[17:37:03] <MarkTraceur>	 That_Guy: You can use network commands or some of the services bots to check that - try PMing NickServ or ChanServ "help"
[17:37:29] <That_Guy>	 PMing
[17:37:58] <That_Guy>	 PMing NickServ
[17:38:02] <MarkTraceur>	 That_Guy: Especially in a channel like this, where we get people who need help, but may not know the etiquette of IRC, we're pretty sensitive when people seem confused
[17:38:15] <MarkTraceur>	 Or terse, or timid
[17:38:26] <That_Guy>	 thanks
[17:46:37] <That_Guy>	 Thanks guys for all of your help
[17:56:54] <gf_>	 hi
[17:57:57] <gf_>	 how are yuo?
[18:02:55] <colonolGron>	 Hello, I am looking for a way to read the Special:Contributions pages in a script. I would like to find out how many edits/contributions a user has to a wiki
[18:05:37] <Alphos>	 colonolGron the api provides something very similar to Special:Contributions https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Usercontribs ; it also provides a count of edits per user, which takes into account edits by that user that were subsequently deleted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Userinfo
[18:06:07] <colonolGron>	 Thanks a lot Alphos 
[18:06:12] <Alphos>	 yw
[18:10:36] <ppp>	 cool
[18:11:16] <MarkTraceur>	 ppp: Cool indeed!
[18:11:20] <MarkTraceur>	 What's up?
[18:11:30] <colonolGron>	 Alphos, what are 'edits that are deleted' meaning he himself deleted them?
[18:12:01] <MarkTraceur>	 colonolGron: Or someone else did
[18:12:10] <MarkTraceur>	 As long as they aren't revdel'd or oversighted.
[18:12:16] <MarkTraceur>	 (wikis are complicated)
[18:13:34] <colonolGron>	 It seems they are :-)
[18:14:16] <colonolGron>	 So only the Userinfo request can show me 'all work the user did' and the Usercontrib might show work that he did and got accepted and still exists. Is that correct?
[18:15:15] <Alphos>	 colonolGron it does the same thing Special:Contributions does in that regard
[18:17:50] <colonolGron>	 API:Userinfo only works if I have the credentials of the user where es the first one works always?
[18:17:58] <colonolGron>	 So I probably have to use the first one
[18:33:36] <Alphos>	 colonolGron https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Users that's for other users
[19:23:13] <PJosepherum>	 hey, so has anybody got scribuntu working in php7?
[19:23:19] <PJosepherum>	 luasandbox module
[19:31:30] <andre__>	 PJosepherum: do you run into a bug? If so, more info welcome :)
[19:32:38] <PJosepherum>	 so i've updated php and fpm to 7.0, and as such the luasandbox extension is no longer compatible https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto#For_php-fpm_or_PHP_module_of_Apache
[19:32:46] * andre__ does not see a PHP7 for Scribunto listed (yet) on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/?statuses=open%28%29&projects=PHID-PROJ-uvzjhw46mbirlh2cho4z#R
[19:33:06] <PJosepherum>	 the standalone binary appears to work but it is less secure
[19:33:08] <andre__>	 PJosepherum: how is it "no longer compatible" exactly?
[19:33:23] <PJosepherum>	 and my Special:Version is throwing an error about luasandbox despite it not being enabled in localsettings
[19:33:42] <PJosepherum>	 by no longer compatible, i mean building the extension from source installs it to /usr/lib/php5
[19:33:48] <PJosepherum>	 and it is not used by php7
[19:34:22] <andre__>	 If you have info and are running the latest MediaWiki version (1.26.2), please consider filing a bug report with enough info: https://mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug and make sure that "newphp" and "Scribunto" are added as projects in that report
[19:34:28] <PJosepherum>	 also check this out: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Special:Version "/wiki/Special:Version Error from line 17 of /var/www/mediawiki/w/extensions/Scribunto/engines/LuaSandbox/Engine.php: Class 'LuaSandbox' not found" despite $wgScribuntoDefaultEngine = 'luastandalone'; in localsettings :/
[19:34:38] <PJosepherum>	 sure i will make a report
[19:35:36] <andre__>	 thank you!
[19:37:13] <PJosepherum>	 i'm not sure why i can't view special:version despite modules and syntax hilighting working fine :/
[19:55:04] <paladox>	 <PJosepherum: Hi you probaly need to install the LuaSandbox https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto#LuaSandbox
[19:55:14] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: Hi you probaly need to install the LuaSandbox https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto#LuaSandbox
[19:55:16] <PJosepherum>	 yeah
[19:55:30] <PJosepherum>	 except the extension only supports php5
[19:55:32] <PJosepherum>	 ;p
[19:55:58] <PJosepherum>	 manually building from source only produces a .so in /usr/lib/php5, anyway
[19:56:52] <paladox>	 Should php be under /usr/lib/php7 not php5.
[19:57:12] <PJosepherum>	 it's actually /usr/lib/php for 7.0
[19:57:35] <PJosepherum>	 moving the .so to the presumed directory and creating the ini in mods-available didn't help either
[19:59:38] <PJosepherum>	 however, this error shouldn't appear since i have configured scribunto to use luastandalone in localsettings: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Special:Version
[20:01:17] <nemo__>	 Hello
[20:02:55] <PJosepherum>	 ah right
[20:03:12] <PJosepherum>	 maybe i need to symlink the luasandbox.ini to /etc/php/7.0/fpm/conf.d
[20:04:31] <PJosepherum>	 no luck
[20:05:08] <nemo__>	 Anyone can tell me how I can find good mediawiki developers?
[20:06:25] <PJosepherum>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Development_statistics here maybe, nemo__?
[20:08:57] <nemo__>	 thank you, looking into it
[20:17:28] <TimRiker>	 Wikipedia allows CamelCase usernames, but mediawiki default settings makes this Camelcase instead. How to I let people preserve their own case settings for username?
[20:26:52] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: Hi please download straight off https://git.wikimedia.org/tree/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FScribunto 
[20:27:54] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: Then use default settings so in LocalSettings.php set this require_once "$IP/extensions/Scribunto/Scribunto.php"; $wgScribuntoDefaultEngine = 'luastandalone';
[20:29:15] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: Hi could you use this tool https://github.com/sstalle/php7cc to see what piece of code is not compatible.
[20:36:05] <paladox>	 Hi it seems that https://integration.wikimedia.org/zuul/ has frozen again.
[20:37:44] <PJosepherum>	 paladox, i have standalone configured in my localsettings via the lines:
[20:37:44] <PJosepherum>	 $wgScribuntoDefaultEngine = 'luastandalone';
[20:37:45] <PJosepherum>	 $wgScribuntoEngineConf['luastandalone']['errorFile'] = '/var/log/lua.log';
[20:37:45] <PJosepherum>	 $wgScribuntoEngineConf['luastandalone']['luaPath'] = '/usr/bin/lua5.3';
[20:37:57] <PJosepherum>	 (i have lua binary installed from apt)
[20:38:15] <PJosepherum>	 this configuration causes the error on special:version, despite not using luasandbox
[20:38:31] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: Im not sure then why could you try re installing. Using the version from master branch.
[20:38:58] <PJosepherum>	 i am using REL1_26 branch from gerrit
[20:39:08] <PJosepherum>	 will checkout master
[20:40:09] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: Ok thanks.
[20:40:11] <PJosepherum>	 error persists
[20:40:12] <PJosepherum>	 https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Special:Version
[20:41:23] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: Also since you have lua5.3 installed you should just use the binarys that are provided with this extension since lua5.3 is not compatible in Scribunto
[20:42:00] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: You should try and remove $wgScribuntoEngineConf['luastandalone']['luaPath'] = '/usr/bin/lua5.3'; from localsettings.php
[20:42:04] <paladox>	 see if that works.
[20:42:39] <PJosepherum>	 for some reason mw is still trying to use luasandbox in spite of my localsettings :/ https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Alcohol
[20:43:34] <PJosepherum>	 omg
[20:43:47] <PJosepherum>	 i've been editing the wrong localsettings file ¬___¬
[20:43:48] <PJosepherum>	 sorry
[20:44:33] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: Oh.
[20:44:38] <PJosepherum>	 all better: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Special:Version
[20:44:47] <PJosepherum>	 thanks anyway man
[20:45:20] <paladox>	 Ok.
[20:45:58] <PJosepherum>	 so, 5.3 isn't supported?
[20:51:58] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: No.
[20:52:39] <PJosepherum>	 how about luasandbox for php7? :)
[20:52:52] <PJosepherum>	 in the works i presume?
[20:53:16] <paladox>	 PJosepherum: I think that may work but unsure. If it isent causing you any problems then i think it supports php7.
[20:54:02] <PJosepherum>	 it was not clear how to install it, as following the build instructions on Extension:Scribunto resulted in only php5 support
[20:54:23] <PJosepherum>	 and attempting to migrate the .so file and .ini to php7's directory structure was futile
[20:57:07] <paladox>	 Oh ok.
[21:29:53] <TimRiker>	 still not finding it. I'd like to know how to set up mediawiki to use case independent names like wikipedia.org and mediawiki.org
[21:31:28] <MatmaRex>	 independent?
[21:34:54] <TimRiker>	 MatmaRex, on wikipedia I think JohnDoe and johndoe would be different user accounts.
[21:36:14] <MatmaRex>	 yes
[21:36:17] <TimRiker>	 I'm using external authentication where the username is passed in to mediawiki as headers. I'd like JohnDoe to get his User:JohnDoe page and janedoe to get User:janedoe page. I don't actually need JohnDoe and johndoe to be different users.
[21:36:42] <TimRiker>	 but I get Johndoe and Janedoe instead.
[22:03:43] <TimRiker>	 User::getCanonicalName() calls $wgContLang->ucfirst( $name ); explicitly. I don't see how to override User::getCanonicalName()
[22:06:35] <MatmaRex>	 TimRiker: usernames in mediawiki always begin with an uppercase letter :( this can't currently be changed
[22:09:03] <TimRiker>	 any idea why that is? I see phpBB user table authentication references that do not uppercase the first letter. what will break?
[22:12:15] <MatmaRex>	 TimRiker: i honestly don't know why, historical reasons i guess. and now we have code depending on it and it can't be easily allowed.
[22:12:46] <MatmaRex>	 TimRiker: the first-letter is case-insensitive when logging in or creating an account; i'm not sure how auth plugins work, but likely that will work just fine
[22:12:59] <MatmaRex>	 but the canonical MediaWiki user name is going to be uppercase-first
[22:13:39] <TimRiker>	 what about the rest? I seem to get Johndoe instead of JohnDoe
[22:14:05] <MatmaRex>	 TimRiker: as long as you ensure that the other end of the auth plugin doesn't allow both "Janedoe" and "janedoe" users to exists, since they'd both be mapped to the same MediaWiki user
[22:14:15] <MatmaRex>	 TimRiker: no idea. that shouldn't happen due to MediaWiki itself.
[22:14:23] <TimRiker>	 k. thx!
[22:16:08] <TimRiker>	 $wgCapitalLinks does not seem to effect usernames. It would be nice if it did, or at least support $wgCapitalLinkOverrides[NS_USER] = true;
[23:07:17] <gg4u>	 Hello, a question for eticquette: is it possible to share to a mediawiki mailing list a weblink of a project I've done which makes use of wikipedia content, so to spread the word - and hopefully have some great feedback! - ?
[23:09:49] <gg4u>	 And a second question, I am mumbling about setting up a crowdfunding campaign, eventually. In this case, is it possible to consider that part of donations could be devolved to wikimedia foundation? Is there any eticquette or communication or anything official or unofficial-but-how-to to comply with? Thank you for suggestions
[23:18:31] <NedScott>	 any css guru want to help me figure out how to indent sections on the vector skin ? :)
[23:28:15] <NedScott>	 hmm, reading about it, it doesn't sound doable..
[23:28:19] <NedScott>	 well, not easily
[23:28:49] <NedScott>	 well, I guess I could reverse it. I could de-indent all headers
[23:28:57] <NedScott>	 add padding to the whole thing