[06:07:35] <janet_>	 smartphones are not safe...
[06:10:26] <janet_>	 i was frequently hacked and now i have come to the conclusion, that smartphones are generally unsafe... generally... and i am not important, but if it is so, that smartphones are generally unsafe we have a social problem
[06:12:49] <janet_>	 what do you do to increase security?
[06:16:54] <janet_>	 i don´t want my life in the internet... it sucks your complete life... completely...sucked...
[06:20:41] <janet_>	 there is no security...
[06:21:02] <janet_>	 everything will be about information
[06:22:19] <janet_>	 they will know everything
[06:23:43] <janet_>	 it is too much
[06:24:23] <janet_>	 because in reality they know nothing
[06:25:28] <janet_>	 they come into your life like an illness
[06:26:45] <janet_>	 all kinds of people
[06:28:01] <janet_>	 the lock infront of "https" frequently unlocked in my phone
[06:28:14] <janet_>	 just like that
[06:28:41] <janet_>	 somebody broke into my flat
[06:30:14] <janet_>	 they stole an album with photographs of my childhood....my mother gave it to me for my holy communion...i used to be catholic...
[06:30:49] <janet_>	 because i was not careful
[06:31:00] <janet_>	 in the internet
[06:32:20] <janet_>	 i did not know what telecommunication meant
[06:33:21] <janet_>	 internet was free ... i thought... but people cannot take care of themselves in the internet, if they are not properly learned
[06:33:59] <janet_>	 and most are not
[06:36:09] <janet_>	 the problem is...that it can go too far... the phones are not safe... people can enter the pivate zones...
[06:36:25] <janet_>	 people you don´t know
[06:37:10] <tale>	 janet_: Do you want to discuss Mediawiki?
[06:37:27] <janet_>	 it is like if somebody comes into your home without knocking at the door. people you don´t even know...
[06:38:35] <janet_>	 hi tale... you are a part of the internet inner circle...
[06:39:02] <janet_>	 mediawiki
[06:39:51] <janet_>	 it is not only a technical problem like http://www.n-tv.de/technik/Heikles-Leck-bedroht-Android-Smartphones-article16906356.html
[06:40:06] <janet_>	 it is an ethical problem
[06:40:28] <tale>	 Yeah, I even know how to use ignore.
[06:40:28] <janet_>	 and a security problem
[06:41:47] <janet_>	 maybe you are too young to understand...
[06:42:13] <janet_>	 i know nothing about computing
[06:50:40] <janet_>	 i thought i could find somebody
[06:51:08] <janet_>	 but nobody seems to be interested
[06:55:03] <tale>	 Thanks p858snake.
[10:26:52] <hexhaxtron>	 Can someone help me making this site look better? http://e-guitar.co.uk
[10:27:18] <hexhaxtron>	 The Donation are AdSense are a bit messy.
[10:27:23] <hexhaxtron>	 *and AdSense
[10:29:53] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, hi!
[10:30:05] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Hi.
[10:30:12] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, can you help me with that?
[10:30:19] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Ok.
[10:30:28] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I think it's needed to increase the width of the sidebar.
[10:31:57] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Ok i doint see anything on http://e-guitar.co.uk/ i only see it was created with a site builder.
[10:32:29] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, try this one: http://e-guitar.96.lt/e-guitar/
[10:32:42] <paladox>	 thanks ok.
[10:33:16] <paladox>	 yes that looks big i think it can be made smaller. Let me have a look on the extension page.
[10:33:30] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, the AdSense can't be smaller or it will be cut.
[10:33:59] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Not really it just needs its width and height changed.
[10:34:07] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I did that.
[10:34:14] <hexhaxtron>	 It gets cut.
[10:34:24] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Ok did you set this $wgGoogleAdSenseWidth = 120; and $wgGoogleAdSenseHeight = 240;
[10:34:30] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, yes, I did.
[10:34:53] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: ok 
[10:35:25] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: You need to add this css to MediaWiki:Vector.css
[10:35:26] <paladox>	 #content,
[10:35:26] <paladox>	 #footer {
[10:35:27] <paladox>	     margin-left: 11em;
[10:35:27] <paladox>	 }
[10:35:27] <paladox>	 #left-navigation {
[10:35:28] <paladox>	     left: 11em;
[10:35:30] <paladox>	 }
[10:35:34] <paladox>	 thats for vector.
[10:35:49] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, and in pixels? I change 11em to 300px?
[10:36:27] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: you can keep 11em since that will work since that css is for vector.
[10:36:54] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: http://e-guitar.96.lt/e-guitar/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Vector.css
[10:38:39] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:
[10:38:39] <hexhaxtron>	 This page provides interface text for the software on this wiki, and is protected to prevent abuse. To add or change translations for all wikis, please use translatewiki.net, the MediaWiki localisation project.
[10:38:55] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: You need to login as an admin
[10:39:14] <hexhaxtron>	 Got it!
[10:39:26] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Ok.
[10:42:44] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I'm doing:
[10:42:46] <hexhaxtron>	 div#mw-panel { width: 20em; }
[10:42:46] <hexhaxtron>	 div#footer, #mw-head-base, div#content { margin-left: 12em; }
[10:42:47] <hexhaxtron>	 #left-navigation { margin-left: 12em; }
[10:42:50] <hexhaxtron>	 And the size doesn't change.
[10:43:29] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Ok. I will look into it.
[10:47:59] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Try setting $wgGoogleAdSenseWidth = 50; in localsettings.php see if that affects anything.
[10:48:41] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, have a look. It gets cut.
[10:51:15] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Ok please set it back to 120.
[10:51:42] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, done. I'm using 300px.
[10:51:54] <paladox>	 thanks.
[11:05:51] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I'm still here. :)
[11:05:59] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Ok.
[11:19:40] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: I belive i found where the error is comming from just need to find a fix.
[11:28:06] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: It says this FORBIDDEN - The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfil it.
[11:28:06] <paladox>	 GET - https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-8869124549434134&format=728x90&output=html&h=90&slotname=1033650206&adk=1835789972&w=728&lmt=1454497043&flash=21.0.0&url=http%3A%2F%2Fe-guitar.96.lt%2Fe-guitar%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DMediaWiki%3AVector.css&wgl=1&dt=1454497460620&bpp=106&bdt=1003&fdt=243&idt=501&shv=r20160128&cbv=r20151006&saldr=aa&correlator=1195507094302&frm=20&ga_vid=1282206578.145449
[11:28:07] <paladox>	 7461&ga_sid=1454497461&ga_hid=1423282132&ga_fc=0&pv=2&u_tz=0&u_his=5&u_java=1&u_h=768&u_w=1366&u_ah=728&u_aw=1366&u_cd=24&u_nplug=2&u_nmime=3&dff=sans-serif&dfs=12&adx=410&ady=100&biw=1354&bih=321&eid=575144605%2C4087318&oid=3&rx=0&eae=0&fc=208&pc=1&brdim=0%2C78%2C0%2C0%2C1366%2C%2C1382%2C744%2C1366%2C321&vis=1&rsz=%7C%7C%7C&abl=CS&ppjl=d&pfx=0&fu=16&bc=1&ifi=1&xpc=5ZLTfZLEr8&p=http%3A//e-guitar.96.lt&dtd=712
[11:39:51] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I don't know what happened but the AdSense disappeared...
[11:39:57] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: I belive that this url https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-9091762488115729&output=html&h=600&slotname=5537754693&adk=1622174756&w=300&lmt=1454499311&loeid=20040026&flash=21.0.0&url=http%3A%2F%2Fe-guitar.96.lt%2Fe-guitar%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DMediaWiki%3AVector.css&wgl=1&dt=1454499309988&bpp=534&bdt=5586&fdt=606&idt=1071&shv=r20160128&cbv=r20151006&saldr=sa&prev_fmts=728x90&correla
[11:39:57] <paladox>	 tor=6343833880625&frm=20&ga_vid=542204556.1454499310&ga_sid=1454499310&ga_hid=1048416518&ga_fc=0&pv=2&u_tz=0&u_his=5&u_java=1&u_h=768&u_w=1366&u_ah=728&u_aw=1366&u_cd=24&u_nplug=2&u_nmime=3&dff=sans-serif&dfs=16&adx=39&ady=508&biw=1354&bih=321&eid=575144605&oid=3&rx=0&eae=0&fc=208&pc=1&brdim=0%2C78%2C0%2C0%2C1366%2C%2C1382%2C744%2C1366%2C321&vis=2&rsz=%7C%7Ca%7C&abl=CA&ppjl=d&pfx=0&fu=16&bc=1&ifi=2&xpc=aCgwigdR6W&p=ht
[11:39:58] <paladox>	 tp%3A//e-guitar.96.lt&dtd=1110 is not working.
[11:40:07] <paladox>	 https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-9514888838888568&output=html&h=240&slotname=7218385105&adk=36449473&w=120&lmt=1454497361&flash=21.0.0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spotterswiki.com%2Findex.php%2FMediaWiki%3AVector.css&wgl=1&dt=1454497360341&bpp=42&bdt=958&fdt=176&idt=668&shv=r20160128&cbv=r20151006&saldr=sa&correlator=1536538541177&frm=20&ga_vid=611435364.1454497361&ga_sid=1454497361&ga_hid=118924
[11:40:08] <paladox>	 3952&ga_fc=0&pv=2&u_tz=0&u_his=4&u_java=1&u_h=768&u_w=1366&u_ah=728&u_aw=1366&u_cd=24&u_nplug=2&u_nmime=3&dff=sans-serif&dfs=16&adx=39&ady=324&biw=1354&bih=321&oid=3&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spotterswiki.com%2Findex.php%2FMain_Page&rx=0&eae=0&fc=208&pc=1&brdim=0%2C78%2C0%2C0%2C1366%2C%2C1382%2C744%2C1366%2C321&vis=1&rsz=o%7C%7Ca%7C&abl=CA&ppjl=d&pfx=0&fu=16&bc=1&ifi=1&xpc=7OCWkYM1OA&p=https%3A//www.spotterswiki.com&dtd=775
[11:40:52] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Is your account correct and are the $wgGoogleAdSenseClient = 'pub-8330046405419293';
[11:40:52] <paladox>	 $wgGoogleAdSenseSlot = '1640430293'; set correctly make sure that you change those and put your in.
[11:41:29] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I didn't change that.
[11:41:34] <hexhaxtron>	 It was working before.
[11:41:56] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Ok. Try checking it too see if it is that.
[11:44:11] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Doint forget to also set $wgGoogleAdSenseID = 'yourwiki-2'; correctly.
[11:44:39] <hexhaxtron>	 I did all that and it was working but not now. I'm installing another browser Opera to see if it works.
[11:45:15] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: It is not working for me either. 
[11:49:23] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Please look at your google ads account because if i change the link to https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-9514888838888568&output=html&h=240&slotname=7218385105&adk=36449473&w=120&lmt=1454497361&flash=21.0.0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spotterswiki.com%2Findex.php%2FMediaWiki%3AVector.css&wgl=1&dt=1454497360341&bpp=42&bdt=958&fdt=176&idt=668&shv=r20160128&cbv=r20151006&saldr=sa&correlat
[11:49:23] <paladox>	 or=1536538541177&frm=20&ga_vid=611435364.1454497361&ga_sid=1454497361&ga_hid=1189243952&ga_fc=0&pv=2&u_tz=0&u_his=4&u_java=1&u_h=768&u_w=1366&u_ah=728&u_aw=1366&u_cd=24&u_nplug=2&u_nmime=3&dff=sans-serif&dfs=16&adx=39&ady=324&biw=1354&bih=321&oid=3&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spotterswiki.com%2Findex.php%2FMain_Page&rx=0&eae=0&fc=208&pc=1&brdim=0%2C78%2C0%2C0%2C1366%2C%2C1382%2C744%2C1366%2C321&vis=1&rsz=o%7C%7Ca%7C&abl=CA&p
[11:49:24] <paladox>	 pjl=d&pfx=0&fu=16&bc=1&ifi=1&xpc=7OCWkYM1OA&p=https%3A//www.spotterswiki.com&dtd=7
[11:49:32] <paladox>	 it works but https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-9091762488115729&output=html&h=600&slotname=5537754693&adk=1622174756&w=300&lmt=1454499505&flash=21.0.0&url=http%3A%2F%2Fe-guitar.96.lt%2Fe-guitar%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DMediaWiki%3AVector.css&wgl=1&dt=1454499666360&bpp=278&bdt=2031&fdt=348&idt=916&shv=r20160128&cbv=r20151006&saldr=sa&prev_fmts=728x90&correlator=4036020382140&frm=20&ga_vid=341281
[11:49:32] <paladox>	 956.1454499666&ga_sid=1454499666&ga_hid=1547898921&ga_fc=0&pv=2&u_tz=0&u_his=5&u_java=1&u_h=768&u_w=1366&u_ah=728&u_aw=1366&u_cd=24&u_nplug=2&u_nmime=3&dff=sans-serif&dfs=16&adx=39&ady=527&biw=1354&bih=321&eid=575144605&oid=3&rx=0&eae=0&fc=208&pc=1&brdim=0%2C78%2C0%2C0%2C1366%2C%2C1382%2C744%2C1366%2C321&vis=1&rsz=%7C%7Ca%7C&abl=CA&ppjl=d&pfx=0&fu=16&bc=1&ifi=2&xpc=XG2P6PyRhi&p=http%3A//e-guitar.96.lt&dtd=980 doesent
[11:58:23] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Did you correctly enter you website you use for the ads in goolge ads websites. 
[11:58:36] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, Google closed my Ads.
[11:58:45] <hexhaxtron>	 I reapplied.
[11:58:50] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Oh ok.
[12:11:45] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Please try this https://dpaste.de/rG7k
[12:12:00] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Add that code to your .htaccess file.
[12:13:32] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: https://dpaste.de/cneG
[12:24:04] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, what does that has to do with the width of the sidebar?
[12:30:33] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, the Ads are back but I'm not sure for how long.
[12:34:09] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: well it keeps saying a forbidden error. So i am going to see if that resolve your issue with google keep cancle the ads.
[12:41:46] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: When you created your add what layout did you select.
[12:42:38] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, Large Skyscraper
[12:42:45] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, it's the vertical one.
[12:42:58] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Then thats why. Try to change it and select responsive.
[12:43:02] <paladox>	 please
[12:46:16] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, the Ads disappeared now...
[12:48:15] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Hum that probaly because your website is rejecting the link.
[12:48:18] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I put Skyscraper back.
[12:48:31] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, if I click on the Ads it goes to pages.
[12:52:46] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Ok please change your ca-pub in that config to ca-pub-0043355055595676
[12:53:31] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, that was already done.
[12:53:42] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: ok.
[12:54:01] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, don't worry about the ads. I just need to increase the width of the Sidebar.
[13:21:53] <baaas>	 paladox: let me know when that patch is ready. Do you have an issue page I can track?
[13:24:30] <paladox>	 baaas: Hi i am having a hard time fixing the problem  since there are other wikis that are working when i got it to show the skin the js wosent working for the specific function but js for mediawiki core was. 
[13:26:22] <baaas>	 Hmm. Weird.
[13:26:42] <baaas>	 We're trying to deploy this via ansible. I don't know if it makes a difference, but it really shouldn't.
[13:28:54] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, instead of putting it on the Sidebar can I put it on the top?
[13:29:13] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Possibly.
[13:30:53] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Please see http://www.mediawikiwidgets.org/AdSense
[13:31:21] <paladox>	 requires you to install the widget extension.
[13:32:07] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: You can add it to mediawiki:sitenotice page.
[13:38:41] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, Take the values from above and place them in a widget call, as below. 
[13:38:49] <hexhaxtron>	 Where do I put the widget call?
[13:39:11] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: It looks like it is now showing at the top.
[13:39:49] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, awesome! It is indeed. I just installed the Widgets extension.
[13:39:59] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Ok.
[13:47:11] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, it's slow at the moment but it seems to be working.
[13:47:18] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I needed 3 more things.
[13:47:21] <paladox>	 ok
[13:47:41] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, 1st how do I decrease the width of the Paypal button?
[13:48:10] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, as you can see, it gets out of the Sidebar.
[13:52:56] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, got it! 2 other things if you have time.
[13:53:19] <paladox>	 ok.
[13:53:56] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I'd like to add a Bitcoins button to it. I already have the code for it. It starts like this: <script src="//blockr.io/js_external/coinwidget/coin.js"></script>
[13:54:04] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, can I add that code to the Sidebar?
[13:54:48] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: you probly can. I think you may need to edit the extension that is adding that functionality for those buttons.
[13:55:12] <hexhaxtron>	 I think I'm not using an extension for the Bitcoins button.
[13:58:26] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Im not sure then.
[13:59:21] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I'll leave it for later. Another thing. As you can see below in the right, there's an empty square. I think it should have the Creative Commons icon on it.
[13:59:34] <hexhaxtron>	 Do you know how to do it?
[14:00:20] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: How did you set that up. 
[14:00:44] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, I added this:
[14:00:46] <hexhaxtron>	 $wgRightsUrl = "http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/";
[14:00:46] <hexhaxtron>	 $wgRightsText = "a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 License";
[14:02:48] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Also add this https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRightsIcon
[14:02:52] <paladox>	 please.
[14:05:20] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, got it! Thanks!
[14:06:55] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: ok.
[14:13:35] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: I just tryed using the ads extension on my wiki it works because i use responsive ad which means i can set width and height which worked.
[14:14:50] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, can I see your wiki?
[14:15:09] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: http://simple-random-wikisaur.tk/index.php?title=Main_Page
[14:17:13] <hexhaxtron>	 I don't see Ads there.
[14:20:43] <Auger>	 morning
[14:31:54] <sanjay_>	 Auger:  morning, 
[14:33:20] <Terry_>	 Hello
[14:33:30] <sanjay_>	 hello
[14:33:51] <Terry_>	 I need some help :)
[14:34:11] <sanjay_>	 but i am a student,
[14:34:19] <Terry_>	 Ok
[14:34:24] <sanjay_>	 Terry_:  mentor or student/
[14:34:43] <Terry_>	 Is there any one in this room available to offer some support / advice?
[14:35:08] <sanjay_>	 Terry_:  yoy may ask , if possible i will help  you
[14:35:23] <Terry_>	 I am trying to remove the default "user" group
[14:35:38] <Terry_>	 I have
[14:35:40] <Terry_>	 unset( $wgGroupPermissions['user'] ); unset( $wgRevokePermissions['user'] ); unset( $wgAddGroups['user'] ); unset( $wgRemoveGroups['user'] ); unset( $wgGroupsAddToSelf['user'] ); unset( $wgGroupsRemoveFromSelf['user'] ); unset( $wgAutopromote['user'] );
[14:35:46] <Terry_>	 In my LocalSettings.php
[14:35:58] <Terry_>	 but the group still appears in my preferences
[14:35:59] <sanjay_>	 sorry , i am not good in it'
[14:36:15] <douglas>	 what are you removing the group for, out of interest
[14:36:40] <sanjay_>	 Terry_:  you can post your doubt here, anyone who knows will help you.:)
[14:36:56] <Terry_>	 I am using the LDAP module
[14:37:16] <Terry_>	 So I have a LDAP group that is my user group and would like to remove all the default ones
[14:37:23] <Joergi>	 Terry: The things, which you have to do in order to remove a group are documented at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#Removing_predefined_groups
[14:37:47] <Terry_>	 Yep, and I have followed those instructions, but the group persists.
[14:38:04] <Joergi>	 However, I don't know, what will break, if you remove the "user" group. What is the problem with it?
[14:38:26] <Joergi>	 Are you sure that your LDAP solution does not make use of it at all?
[14:38:28] <Terry_>	 It isn't used
[14:38:43] <Terry_>	 And I would like it to be completely removed
[14:38:59] <Joergi>	 Because it is unused, if I got you right.
[14:39:28] <Terry_>	 Yes, the unset's are all after all my includes, so the group should be removed after all my extensions have loaded
[14:40:08] <Joergi>	 Right, extensions can add user rights to groups so, if you want to remove a group, you should do that _after_ the according extensions have been added.
[14:40:57] <Joergi>	 What you look at your Special:ListGroupRights page, do you then still see the "user" group there?
[14:41:03] <Joergi>	 If so, which permissions does it show?
[14:42:23] <Joergi>	 I mean: _WHEN_(!) you look at your....
[14:42:43] <Joergi>	 * Refuel missing coffee *
[14:43:47] <Terry_>	 ok, so it doesn't show under the Special:ListGroupRights page
[14:44:20] <Terry_>	 However, it does show under every users Member of groups
[14:44:46] <Terry_>	 So it shows "Users, Users" of which the link for the first is Help:Users and for the second QRG:Users
[14:44:53] <Terry_>	 QRG being the title of our Wiki
[14:46:10] <Joergi>	 That means that this group does not have any permissions assigned to it - exactly as you want it to be.
[14:46:26] <Terry_>	 But the group still exists?
[14:46:32] <Joergi>	 The documentation I pointed you add "Only" describes how to add/change user groups.
[14:46:47] <Joergi>	 The group "user" however is special as it does not have to be assigned manually.
[14:46:55] <Terry_>	 I have managed to completely remove the other in-built groups (Administrators, Bots etc...)
[14:47:00] <Terry_>	 Using the same procress
[14:47:09] <Joergi>	 Instead, every user, at login, _automatically_ gets that group assigned.
[14:47:57] <Joergi>	 In contrast to the sysop, bureaucrat groups, the "user" group membership is not assigned through the usual user permission system.
[14:48:29] <Joergi>	 Instead, everyone, automatically is member of that group. It might be possible that this is hardcoded in MediaWiki and that it cannot easily be changed.
[14:48:43] <Terry_>	 Do you know what files I would need to amend to remove the assignment at login?
[14:49:41] <Joergi>	 No, I don't. But I think that this will not _only_ need bigger changes in PHP, but also in the JavaScript code. 
[14:50:06] <Joergi>	 E.g. on every page certain information about the current user are available from inside JavaScript. This will then have to be changed as well.
[14:50:24] <Joergi>	 Gadgets and much more will break, if the "user" group is missing.
[14:50:47] <Joergi>	 E.g. MediaWiki's internal CSS/JS styles will no longer be able to work properly.
[14:51:09] <Joergi>	 I really don't think it's worth the hassle.
[14:55:50] <Joergi>	 Where is it that you still want this user group to be removed?
[15:21:41] <brycec_>	 I am having some difficulties with enabling subpages does anybody know how to fix it? I got a new computer and installed Ubuntu into virtualbox to use as a test server, but when I import my backup of Mediawiki, and visit the site in a browser, it keeps erroring out, and the Apache log says that NS_Template is undefined, yet I get no such error from the version of my wiki that is available publicly.
[15:22:22] <Terry_>	 User Preference Page
[15:28:51] <brycec_>	 In my LocalSettings.php file, I used the exact thing that the manual says to type under $wgNamespacesWithSubpages.
[15:29:26] <MatmaRex>	 brycec_: it should be all uppercase, NS_TEMPLATE. (not NS_Template)
[15:29:53] <brycec_>	 I tried, but error still persists, even after clear cache and such
[15:30:23] <brycec_>	 it is all uppercase right now and even tried putting it in quotes
[15:32:30] <MatmaRex>	 no, no quotes
[15:32:48] <MatmaRex>	 can you copy and paste the relevant lines here?
[15:34:36] <Joergi>	 Terry: You can hide items from the user preferences page using $wgHiddenPrefs: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgHiddenPrefs
[15:38:55] <Terry_>	 Thank you Joergi.
[15:39:11] <Terry_>	 Not quite what I was after, but not the end of the world!
[15:39:15] <Terry_>	 Take care.
[15:39:16] <Terry_>	 Bye
[15:46:32] <mx5h>	 Hello. Was wondering if someone could help me with an import of a dump?
[15:50:08] <Joergi>	 mx5h: MySQL dump or MediaWiki XML dump?
[15:51:23] <hexhaxtron>	 MatmaRex, do you know how to add a Bitcoins button to the Sidebar? I got the code for it and it starts like this: <script src=...
[15:51:34] <MatmaRex>	 no
[15:52:08] <mx5h>	 MediaWiki XML dump. I'm trying to import the pages-articles.xml for enwikiquote, but I am getting this error: ERROR 1054 (42S22) at line 86: Unknown column 'page_counter' in 'field list'
[15:52:32] <mx5h>	 This is on a fresh installation of MediaWiki
[15:52:39] <Joergi>	 hexhaxtron: IIrc there is no hook in the skin files for your script to be added.
[15:53:07] <Joergi>	 hexhaxtron: I think you would have to add it to MediaWiki:Common.js or make it a ResourceLoader module.
[15:54:13] <Joergi>	 mx5h: The column "page_counter" got removed in MediaWiki 1.26. How old is the dump?
[15:55:44] <brycec_>	 I will try pasting what I have
[15:57:29] <mx5h>	 Joergi: Dump from 20160111
[15:57:31] <G_SabinoMullane>	 page_counter is a weird thing to import from another site anyway....
[15:58:41] <brycec_>	 this is from localSettings.php. $wgNamespacesWithSubpages[NS_TEMPLATE] = true;
[15:59:12] <mx5h>	 G_SabinoMullane: To clarify, all I've done so far is install MediaWiki locally, downloaded the dump enwikiquote-20160111-pages-articles.xml.bz2, used mwdumper to convert to SQL, and then when I try to import it I get the error noted above.
[15:59:17] <hexhaxtron>	 Joergi, can you go to this site: http://e-guitar.96.lt/e-guitar/ and tell me how to make those Ads appear always on top even when scrolling the page.
[16:00:00] <G_SabinoMullane>	 mx5h: Easiest thing may be to simply add that column back in so the import can work (or at least get you to the next error)
[16:00:28] <mx5h>	 G_SabinoMullane: That's what I was thinking too. But I have no idea what table it should be in.
[16:00:29] <G_SabinoMullane>	 Then drop the column
[16:00:39] <brycec_>	 I just discovered a different, but maybe likely problem. I am going to try and see if that changes anything.
[16:01:34] <mx5h>	 Perhaps I could ask the question another way - if I want a minimal mirror of wikiquote locally, just with current page content and working internal links, what should I be downloading from https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwikiquote/20160111/, and any preference on order of import?
[16:01:37] <G_SabinoMullane>	 mx5h: The 'page' table
[16:03:47] <G_SabinoMullane>	 I think you want enwikiquote-20160111-pages-meta-current.xml.bz2
[16:05:06] <brycec_>	 I just found the real problem. I forgot to import the sql dump from my old computer (Stupid me). Things are working fine now. thanks for the help.
[16:07:17] <mx5h>	 G_SabinoMullane: Thanks for the pointers. After creating col page_counter, I now get Duplicate entry '1' for key 'PRIMARY'. I am going to re-create the installation DB, and then try the backup file you suggested. Thanks so far for your help. Be back shortly ...
[16:09:28] <DanielK_WMDE>	 mx5h: make sure you pick BINARY as the database charset when setting up your wiki. Otherwise you probably won't be able to import wikipedia dumps.
[16:09:58] <DanielK_WMDE>	 mx5h: also, when using mysqldump and mysql, always specify --default-charset BINARY
[16:10:38] <mx5h>	 DanielK_WMDE: I had previously done so, but duly noted and will double check again. Thanks.
[16:12:08] <DanielK_WMDE>	 mx5h: can you tell for wich table you are getting the error?
[16:13:08] <mx5h>	 It didn't say: mysql just exited with this:  ERROR 1054 (42S22) at line 86: Unknown column 'page_counter' in 'field list'
[16:14:14] <DanielK_WMDE>	 mx5h: page_counter would be expected by older versions of mediawiki... sounds like your database schema is out of whack with the version of mediawiki you are running
[16:15:48] <Joergi>	 DanielK_WMDE: Seems like this is the case for enwikiquote. After all, _that_ is the dump he is trying to use...
[16:16:30] <Joergi>	 mx5h: Another solution would be to installed Extension:Hitcounter before trying to import the dump.
[16:16:53] <Joergi>	 mx5h: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters
[16:17:32] <G_SabinoMullane>	 They are running 1.27 now, so I presume when the latest one finished it will go into your 1.26 smoothly: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwikiquote/20160203/
[16:18:00] <mx5h>	 DanielK_WMDE: To be safe, I will grab MediaWiki 1.26.2 again and start fresh. 
[16:18:34] <mx5h>	 Joergi: I will try installing that extension before my next attempt at an impor. Will let you know how it goes.
[16:18:38] <mx5h>	 *import
[16:19:06] <Joergi>	 Since these numbers are outdated anyways, I think they should be removed.
[16:19:15] <Joergi>	 I wonder why this has not yet been done...
[16:19:25] <G_SabinoMullane>	 Joergi: Why would that help? It will not recreate the column
[16:19:59] <Joergi>	 G_SabinoMullane: No, it would in contrast _remove_ the column from enwikiquote.
[16:21:05] * G_SabinoMullane is not following. The issue is the wikiquote dump references page.page_counter. The HitCounter extension won't fix that.
[16:22:39] <Joergi>	 This column has last been used in MW 1.25.something.
[16:22:59] <Joergi>	 MediaWiki 1.26 does no longer come with that column and it even removes it, should it be present.
[16:23:00] <mx5h>	 In my previous attempt, after adding page.page_counter, mysql exited with error  Duplicate entry '1' for key 'PRIMARY'
[16:23:31] <Joergi>	 That way, it currently is impossible to import a dump from enwikiquote into current versions of MediaWiki.
[16:23:44] <Joergi>	 The problem is that the database of enwikiquote is messed up currently.
[16:24:13] <G_SabinoMullane>	 It is not messed up, the dump is just from an older version. Which mx5h fixed by readding the column
[16:24:29] <Joergi>	 mx5h: No idea, what now is wrong with the index. However, indeces can be recreated. Maybe it ould be possible to import the dump without the index and then to add it manually.
[16:25:03] <Joergi>	 No, when the dump got created, version 1.27something was in use. This version, if properly updated, does no longer have that column.
[16:25:12] <G_SabinoMullane>	 afk. mx5h you might try refreshing https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwikiquote/20160203/ and see if it finishes up today
[16:26:23] <mx5h>	 Yep, I'll keep an eye on it - sadly your today is nearly my tomorrow :)
[16:26:24] <Joergi>	 enwikiquote however still contains it, although it should not.
[16:29:38] <mx5h>	 When creating the DB through the web wizard - do things like the Project Namespace have to match? I've assumed no.
[16:33:43] <Joergi>	 hexhaxtron: A container can be displayed at a fixed position of the screen by setting position: fixed; Or, more difficult, maybe with some JS.
[16:36:45] <summatusmentis>	 hi all, I have maybe a dumb question. I'm one of a few people working on a mobile-photo upload application, and have a valid OAuth consumer. However, we're getting a weird error (code 'cantcreate', error seems to suggest I need page creation creds). Is that necessary for photo uplaod, via action=upload, to have page creation permisions?
[16:40:43] <baaas>	 paladox: I think I fixed my issue. Hold for confirmation
[16:40:57] <paladox>	 baaas: Ok.
[16:40:59] <MatmaRex>	 summatusmentis: hmm, probably. file upload does create a description page for the file.
[16:45:27] <summatusmentis>	 MatmaRex: it... seems illogical that the consumer wouldn't have been given page creation when requesting file upload permissions. If that's the case, is there a way to modify the consumer's requested permissions? or should I just request a new consumer?
[16:48:10] <MatmaRex>	 summatusmentis: it seems illogical indeed. i have no idea if that was overlooked, or if it's intentional for some reason (i guess you still can upload new versions of existing files without creating pages?). i don't know very much about OAuth consumers though :(
[16:48:32] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: you probably know how this works? ^
[16:49:08] * anomie looks at scrollback
[16:53:36] <summatusmentis>	 the other possible piece that is a problem here is that the error object (in JSON) also has a "invalidparameter":"filename" attribute
[16:54:03] <summatusmentis>	 it's possible we're doing something incorrectly with the filename that's causing an issue, but that doesn't seem to line up with the actual error code?
[16:56:58] <anomie>	 MatmaRex, summatusmentis: Yeah, neither "Upload new files" nor "Upload, replace, and move files" gives the permission to create or edit pages, which is needed to successfully upload. OTOH, having those grants give those rights would make the grant name inaccurate, since it would also give you permission to create/edit non-file pages too, so it might be best that a consumer needs to request that explicitly. As for the consumer itself, at the moment you 
[16:56:59] <anomie>	 need to make a new consumer to change the grants requested (see also T62380).
[16:58:02] <summatusmentis>	 what do you mean by 'T62380' ?
[16:58:15] <MatmaRex>	 summatusmentis: hmm, what filename are you passing in?
[16:58:23] <MatmaRex>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62380
[16:58:28] <summatusmentis>	 ah, thanks
[16:59:02] <summatusmentis>	 I'm not the primary one testing this, so I'm not sure what the filename is, but what anomie said sounds like confirmation of the real issue
[16:59:44] <MatmaRex>	 oh, yeah, nevermind. the action=upload API will actually give you this error if you don't have permissions to create the file page. that's a bit silly.
[16:59:58] <MatmaRex>	 $permErrors = $this->mUpload->verifyTitlePermissions( $user );
[16:59:58] <MatmaRex>	 			if ( $permErrors !== true ) {
[16:59:58] <MatmaRex>	 				$this->dieRecoverableError( $permErrors[0], 'filename' );
[17:00:03] <MatmaRex>	 weird.
[17:01:36] <summatusmentis>	 well, I can understand anomie's point, it's not _entirely_ accurate to give you 'create page' access if you request 'file upload' access. It's just also not clear to someone who isn't well versed in this that one would _need_ page creation rights.
[17:04:01] <summatusmentis>	 alright, so, request a new consumer, at least until T62380 is resolved. Thanks MatmaRex and anomie !
[17:28:09] <baaas>	 paladox: almost...
[17:28:34] <paladox>	 baaas: Ok.
[17:36:05] <baaas>	 paladox: I switched to 1.23.13 and I'm curious as to why this: wfLoadExtension( 'ParserFunctions' ); doesn't work now
[17:37:16] <paladox>	 baaas: Thats because this extension.json is only supported in mediawiki 1.25+ you should report a bug saying that this skin and posibly extension bootstrap are not working in MediaWiki 1.26.
[17:38:25] <baaas>	 paladox: wait what? What  do you mean? I think that it was because we didn't install using composer. Once I figured out how to use composer properly it worked.
[17:38:46] <baaas>	 I just want to know why that LoadExtension command doesn't work in 1.23 now
[17:39:20] <paladox>	 baaas: This wont work wfLoadExtension in mediawiki 1.24 or lower you have to re download all the extensions from the REL1_23 branch and require the php file.
[17:40:09] <baaas>	 I'm pretty sure ParserFunctions are included by default in mediawiki. Is it not included in 1.23?
[17:40:40] <baaas>	 paladox: I read the wiki
[17:40:42] <baaas>	 Found it, thanks
[17:40:51] <paladox>	 ok.
[17:49:26] <baaas>	 paladox: Doing that throws this: This version of the ParserFunctions extension requires MediaWiki 1.25+
[17:50:15] <paladox>	 baaas: That because you have to download the correct version. Please download from the REL1_23 branch not master branch or REL1_24 or REL1_25 branch.
[17:51:51] <baaas>	 paladox: I'm confused because the wrong version is shipped with the download for 1.23?
[17:52:45] <paladox>	 baaas: Download from here https://git.wikimedia.org/tree/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FParserFunctions.git/e4a11db50ca8effe1c354ef9a6af639f5431ec49 please.
[17:53:15] <baaas>	 Yea I understand that. But I didn't download it to get the extension.
[17:53:27] <baaas>	 It's shipped with MW 1.18 and up.
[17:53:53] <baaas>	 So the 1.23 tarchive has the wrong version?
[17:54:02] <baaas>	 paladox: ^^
[18:00:16] <baaas>	 paladox: I'm really sorry.
[18:00:21] <baaas>	 I'm an idiot haha.
[18:01:11] <paladox>	 baaas: Possibly REL1_23 is shiped with the wrong version. Maybe you should write a bug for that at phabricator.wikimedia.org
[18:01:25] <baaas>	 No I had it downloaded... Sorry
[18:01:50] <baaas>	 paladox: I'm doing this using ansible so I forgot I wrote a task to get the extension
[18:01:59] <paladox>	 ok.
[18:11:04] <hexhaxtron>	 What should I put in Return email address?
[18:11:09] <hexhaxtron>	 Can I use my gmail account?
[18:11:31] <hexhaxtron>	 It's asking me this in the WikiMedia installation.
[18:15:23] <hexhaxtron>	 paladox, do you know?
[18:15:45] <paladox>	 hexhaxtron: Yes you can use any email.
[18:37:53] <Yaron>	 I'm trying to upgrade my wiki to MW 1.26.2, and I got the following error: "MediaWiki requires the less.php parser".
[18:38:02] <Yaron>	 Is there any documentation about this?
[18:38:59] <paladox>	 Yaron: that file should be included. Unless you installed from the branch instead of download through mediawiki website. You have to also download vendor.
[18:39:58] <Yaron>	 I did indeed install via Git.
[18:40:09] <Yaron>	 Is that no longer recommended?
[18:40:43] <Yaron>	 Yes, I know about Composer - that's a separat topic...
[18:40:47] <Yaron>	 (separate)
[18:42:09] <MatmaRex>	 Yaron: no, it's perfectly fine, but you need to get the dependencies too. either by running `composer install`, or by cloning the mediawiki/vendor repository into the vendor/ directory in core.
[18:43:18] <Yaron>	 MatmaRex: is that for Composer, or for Less? I'm asking about Less.
[18:43:54] <MatmaRex>	 i don't understand the question.
[18:44:31] <MatmaRex>	 MediaWiki uses Composer to manage its dependencies. one of the dependencies it needs is the Less library.
[18:44:41] <MatmaRex>	 less.php library*
[18:46:19] <Yaron>	 MatmaRex: yes, I understand all of this, but I want to know how specifically to install Less - and maybe just as importantly, I want to make sure that this is documented somewhere, for other people who experience the same problem.
[18:46:55] <MatmaRex>	 Yaron: by running `composer install`, or by cloning the mediawiki/vendor repository into the vendor/ directory in core
[18:47:07] <Yaron>	 Oh... okay, got it. Thanks.
[18:47:28] <MatmaRex>	 the latter is an alternative for people who don't want to download random stuff from the internet to their production servers.
[18:47:54] <Yaron>	 Maybe I'll try that latter one, actually.
[18:48:42] <MatmaRex>	 Yaron: it looks to be properly documented at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git#Fetch_external_libraries
[18:49:25] <Yaron>	 MatmaRex: thank you; that's very helpful.
[18:49:52] <Yaron>	 It turns out I already had a /vendor directory, I just needed to update its code.
[21:06:45] <manafount>	 Hey guys. I'd like to add a section on my main page that automatically showcases new pages (perhaps new pages in a specific category). I was hoping somebody may have done something like this before me and could point me in the right direction.
[21:10:35] <Vulpix>	 manafount: a simple way is to add {{Special:Newpages/10}} to display the 10 recent new pages
[21:10:58] <Vulpix>	 other ways would require you to use an extension like DynamicPageList or similar
[21:11:15] <manafount>	 Vulpix: Thanks for both of the ideas!
[21:56:12] <TimRiker>	 I wish there was an option to stop changing the case of a username. Preserve what the user asked for. someUser, SomeUser, Someuser or someuser.
[21:57:56] <TimRiker>	 The "upper case the first letter and lower case the rest" seems pretty silly to me. I don't see anything that requires that behavior, but multiple places in the code and in extensions assumes it.
[21:59:37] <TimStarling>	 RFC meeting now in #wikimedia-office: T124752 Expiring watch list entries
[22:05:42] <Platonides>	 I'm quite sure the rest is not lowercased
[22:05:51] <Platonides>	 the first one is upper-cased, though
[22:05:57] <Platonides>	 since users have user pages
[22:06:13] <Platonides>	 and some (most) wikis use pages with the first letter in uppercase
[22:06:26] <Platonides>	 so usernames have the first letter uppercase everywhere
[22:06:45] <Platonides>	 so you can have the same username in eg. wikipedia (first letter uc) and wiktionary (fully case-sensitive)
[22:07:09] <TimRiker>	 it seems to me, if the site chooses to use lower case page names, lower case usernames should work too.
[22:07:44] <TimRiker>	 they can still match case independently between wikipedia and wiktionary.
[22:09:05] <TimRiker>	 they can still have user pages and they can still match case independent.
[22:09:21] <TimRiker>	 I don't see the win in changing the username that the user asks for.
[22:18:10] <TimRiker>	 in short, I think this should be supported: $wgCapitalLinkOverrides[NS_USER] = false;
[22:42:40] <MatmaRex>	 TimRiker: there's a bug about that somewhere.
[22:42:54] <MatmaRex>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28396
[22:43:06] <TimRiker>	 MatmaRex, I looked around, but didn't see one. oh, looking...
[22:59:23] <TimRiker>	 MatmaRex, thx. subscribed there.
[23:56:51] <bam_>	 Extension:GraphViz is giving me error "Unable to create a directory in the file system."
[23:57:07] <bam_>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GraphViz