[00:33:10] also unrelated to visual editor, why after setting up ldap extension are the usernames all with first letter as capital? [00:41:20] I thought all MediaWiki usernames (and pages) were capitalized. [00:43:10] they are, yes. it's a long-standing requests to make it possible to disable that. :( https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28396 [00:44:30] Initial capitalized. [00:44:50] And there's a configuration setting for pages. Usernames are consistent for... some reason. [01:43:24] help [01:44:06] who ever took everything i want back [01:44:18] "~~~~" [01:45:39] WHOIS [02:15:56] Hmmm. I was hoping he would continue. [02:33:53] !help [02:33:53] There are a lot of topics you could be asking about. Besides, this bot is mostly for experienced users to quickly answer common questions. Please just ask your question and wait patiently, as the best person to answer your question may be away for a few minutes or longer. If you're looking for help pages, we moved that to !helpfor. [02:48:47] AlexZ: right after i blocked that user he tried to get another account lol. [02:49:00] for a BNC [02:49:08] Shnaw: That's about par for the course for him :) [02:49:24] we've been doing whack a mole for ages [02:49:50] sadly im used to seeing people abuse my service [02:52:00] yeah I'm working on getting him off EliteBNC still, as they seem to just go meh the last few times I've emailed them [02:52:25] nice to see a provider that actually promptly deals with issues :) [03:03:49] is there some sort of bug in "$wgSpamBlacklistFiles" array. Using the method here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist#Examples; I am unable to load any other blacklists besides the mediawiki one. [04:30:11] How long does it take for review of a patch ? I have 2 patches for review in my gerrit [04:33:23] gflash: Anywhere from a few days to a few years. [04:38:20] :-) [04:42:15] I mean that in a serious way. >_> I stopped submitting patches for bugs and performance issue because getting woken up randomly at 3AM six to twelve months later to something I don't even remember gets old. [04:42:27] *issues [05:07:57] I am unable to create a user account on the SMF V4 site. I've tried several times over the last couple of months and it now says I am unable to register. [05:22:39] Trela: Do you have any open changesets in Gerrit awaiting review now? [05:26:10] Leah: Yes. [05:27:05] MediaWiki's Gerrit and code review system is a topic that comes up every few months at work. We complain about, get back to the circular point that nothing will probably be done about it, and go back to not submitting patches because it takes up too much time. [05:27:16] *about it [05:27:20] Trela: Link? [05:27:32] Or what's your username? [05:27:57] I'm just curious which patches are lingering and why. Gerrit backlogs are something we all want to solve. [05:28:37] #1: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/252455/ [05:29:21] #2: This was more recently moved to -1/-1 due to conflicts with other database drivers. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/255294/ [05:30:56] Gerrit back log really is just one part of the issue. Having to show a developer a several page document on how to install a git plugin, setup a repository to use it, and hopefully not screw up the "git review" process takes up so much time that we consider it not worth it to submit patches. [05:31:37] We're on GitHub! [05:31:47] But not sure we're accepting patches that way. Not easily, anyway. [05:32:00] This is good feedback. [05:32:19] Yeah, that is mirror only the last time I checked. Github, Gitlab. Any interface or review system that is not Gerrit would make the process a breeze. [05:33:27] This is an example of all our unsubmitted patches: https://i.imgur.com/cX1WZNn.png [05:34:51] I added a couple of reviewers to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/252455 [05:35:04] Thanks! [05:35:35] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/255294 has some feedback that you have to respond to. [05:35:38] Or someone does, anyway. [05:36:14] I have to find the computer I made that patch on so I don't mess up the git review. I think I did it on my work computer. [05:36:36] Sure. [05:36:44] Just saying, you got some love on that patch. :-) [05:37:53] I will note, we are going to send in, uh, a pull request of sorts this week. We've been working on a replacement Less compiler: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HydraWiki/lessoid/master/docs/lessmark.png [05:38:08] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/180328/ made me smile. [05:38:20] Gerrit is pretty rough. [05:38:46] 180328 was the fastest one I had merged I believe. [05:39:56] Hmm. [05:40:00] Interesting graph. [05:41:05] New Relic shows our /load.php time was taking the majority of its time in less.php. We made some on the fly fixes, shaved about 50ms of response time off, but it is still too much load. [06:41:53] trela: waiting for years won't be nice, I recently started at mediawiki and thought of submitting patches. [06:46:56] Trela: what software did you use to generate that graph, if you don't mind me asking? [06:47:15] ori: PowerPoint. [06:47:47] looks good :) [06:48:34] I considered writing out all the Javascript to do, but surprising PP + Excel made it easy. [06:48:41] *to do it [06:51:44] looks like I'll have to wait for a long time to get them merged :( [07:10:46] legoktm, Hi there, I've submitted my patch for T89682 to Gerrit. Should I continue to implement other sniffs or should I do something else for the project? [08:41:11] cscott_away: ping [08:56:01] Lo, anyway I can have a category page (as as normal one would be)... but when i tag pages to be a member of it - keep the tag hidden? i.e. no one can see from viewing the article it's a member of that additional category [08:56:25] e.g. i might have a category which is 'Pages that Steven Maintains' and no one else really needs to know that but me [08:58:16] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category#Hidden_categories [08:58:19] nevermind! found it [14:44:11] morning [15:03:36] Hello everyone, can someone help me?For example I have local saved web-page in mht or maff format.Is it possible to insert in a wiki-article something like web-frame and display in that frame my saved web-page?I tried to turn off wiki layout with but its broke all layout in my inserted mht file.Onyone have some ideas about it? [15:05:08] Or maybe mediawiki have specific extension for these purposes? [15:08:07] Borlandx: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MHTML - no idea, that code seems to be years old and rotting [15:08:58] Hello. I have installed visualeditor using vagrant. But I'm getting this error. [15:08:59] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/QkVmVZie/ [15:09:36] srijan: where is that error from? [15:09:38] andre: Thx a lot, it's better than nothing) [15:10:40] Browser [15:11:07] srijan: 503 = Service Unavailable. Is Parsoid actually running? [15:11:13] See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Troubleshooting [15:11:17] yeah. It's running [15:11:29] see the link ^ [15:11:37] okay. :) [15:11:44] then maybe it's not accessible. [15:12:00] i guess that is the problem [15:12:04] it isn't accessible [15:57:12] I'm trying to mass delete 400 pages, but Dreamhost keeps killing the PHP process before it can complete. Short of changing hosting provider, what alternative do I have? [15:58:57] Oh, I guess each attempt manages to partially complete some deletions. [15:59:00] JordiGH, mass delete less pages at a time? [15:59:03] I'll just try, try, until I delete them. [16:06:22] JordiGH: How are you trying to delete them? [16:06:39] Special:Nuke [16:06:54] I've gotten most of them down, but the spam account continues as I'm trying to delete them. [16:07:04] I can't put the wiki on lockdown because we need it open for GSoC. [16:07:14] So I'm just manually deleting and blocking like a caveman. [16:08:10] You could try the deleteBatch.php maintenance script [16:13:53] Wow, this phone scam spam attack is pretty sophisticated. [16:14:01] They seem to have dozens of phone numbers. [16:24:41] apergos: Will you be willing to mentor the project https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73660:Add ZIM format support to OCG for GSoC 2016/ Outreachy. I would like to work on it as a GSoC project. [16:25:26] Same for cscott ^ [16:26:30] aashaka: thanks for the ask but I don't have the knowledge of the ocg or openzim codebase that would be required [16:27:45] I would be starting from zero and not be able to give the time it deserved [16:34:00] Oh, okay apergos. I saw your name in the Possible Mentors (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_programs/Possible_mentors) for offline projects which is why I asked. In any case, a co-mentor needn't necessarily be from a technical background, as per https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_programs/Life_of_a_successful_project#Coming_up_with_a_proposal. Do let me know if you are interested. Thanks! [16:34:10] Hm, why is Special:Nuke still showing me pages that have already been deleted and when I try to delete them it says that they could not be deleted? [16:34:16] Is my db in an inconsistent state? [16:36:26] I wonder if Dreamhost killed my PHP process when it was in the middle of updating tables and now my db is inconsistent. [16:47:40] Hm, how do I see what server time is? [16:47:46] From the WUI, of course. [16:50:53] aashaka: I have a tech background but not for those projects, sadly [16:51:17] c scott and k elson are your best bets, as you already know [16:55:32] aashaka: you are also encouraged to explore other possible-tech-projects in case that one does not get featured [17:29:05] hmm, testing on an instance of MediaWiki 1.26.2... Fatal error: Call to undefined method MonacoTemplate::getIndicators() in /opt/bitnami/apps/mediawiki/htdocs/skins/monaco/Monaco.skin.php on line 767 [17:31:40] are the docs wrong? [17:31:48] I don't see a getIndicators in SkinTemplate class. [17:32:08] I see an 'indicators' array being built by a call on another object that has a getIndicators. [17:32:36] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning_Part_2#Page_status_indicators [17:32:43] getIndicators is on OutputPage [17:34:40] so that is simply wrong then. [17:35:01] the "$this" in every other example code snippet there is referring to a SkinTemplate subclass as far as I can tell [17:37:16] yet that *is* the code that MonoBook has. [17:37:24] but it inherits from BaseTemplate, not SkinTemplate [17:38:40] oh as does the example being built on this page. [17:39:04] this is old-old code, I don't think BaseTemplate even existed when it was created. [17:40:19] I could try to rederive but there may be conflicts [17:44:24] oh ok here we go. I am just so confused 9_9 [17:44:48] my Template class extents QuickTemplate... [17:45:06] HELP ME [17:46:37] The sidebar won´t change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [17:46:40] so BaseTemplate just adds a bunch of fun helper methods over that... if none of them conflict with Monaco methods, I should be ok to rebase it... if they do, I'd have to rename them to avoid overriding them incorrectly. [17:47:18] ANYONE WILLING TO HELP? [17:48:54] Rasmusolle: please do not yell and please fix your keyboard. [17:49:15] Rasmusolle, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Sidebar [17:52:06] I've tried the stuff there, but it won't work! [17:53:37] I've tried the stuff there, but it won't work! [17:53:47] Rasmusolle, no need to post twice. [17:54:00] Rasmusolle: so what exactly have you tried? What does "won't work" exactly mean? Which MediaWiki version? Is your wiki public? Any link? [17:54:36] the changes doesn't show up, and I've tried all the troubleshooting [17:54:57] So what exactly have you tried? What does "won't work" exactly mean? Which MediaWiki version? Is your wiki public? Any link? [17:55:24] andre__, no need to post twice. [17:55:52] You answered only one out of four questions... :) [17:56:02] What are "your changes"? [17:56:42] a FAQ [17:57:11] version 1.23.13 [18:04:09] Rasmusolle: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar#Changes_not_showing_up [18:05:10] As long as we do not know what exactly your change was it's pretty hard to help. [18:05:12] Is your wiki public? Any link? [18:05:31] it's not public [18:07:08] If you don't share the exact line(s) you inserted/changed, you probably have to stick to the link I just posted [18:10:19] yay no conflicts. [18:11:53] ok indicators render now :V [18:11:59] not in the correct place, but they render. [18:12:11] guessing they need CSS love. [18:13:08] QuasAtWork: Have you found a solution for the QuickBooks spammers? [18:13:12] They're relentless. [18:13:18] We're on lockdown again. :-( [18:13:30] combination of AbuseFilter, title blacklist regexps, and vicious IP range blocking [18:13:41] we haven't had a successful page creation by them in about 2 weeks. [18:14:06] if you're not comfortable blocking large portions of the Indian subcontinent it's difficult to do. [18:14:07] whoa, dem's big guns. [18:14:28] for us that's not an issue because google analytics shows us as having pretty much 0% legitimate traffic from India. [18:14:44] We've got a lot of Indians right now for GSoC. [18:14:57] So blocking all of India isn't right. [18:15:02] yeah that wouldn't work for you. [18:15:13] though requiring registration might be reasonable [18:15:28] you can block ranges for anons only, but again some people dislike that. [18:15:30] They started using registered users. [18:15:36] oh right that problem. [18:15:55] my code: ** FAQ|FAQ [18:20:59] hey andre__ [18:21:01] my code: ** FAQ|FAQ [18:24:27] HEY ANYONE WANNA HELP? [18:25:10] HEY ANYONE WANNA HELP? [18:25:56] HEY ANYONE WANNA HELP? [18:27:23] HEY ANYONE WANNA HELP? [18:27:24] HEY ANYONE WANNA HELP? [18:27:33] Yeah, ops, anyone wanna help? [18:28:21] saper: Nemo_bis: legoktm: Krenair: halp halp ---^ [18:29:14] if I manually copy in the CSS properties that Vector has they look right [18:29:43] Rasmusolle: If you continue like that you will be banned from this channel. [18:29:49] is there something like a mw.skinning.indicators module I'm supposed to be loading or do I just define that stuff in my skin's CSS [18:29:51] I was about to kick them [18:32:07] "You will likely want to add CSS for .mw-indicators (and/or .mw-indicator)." guess the latter :P [18:32:32] when in doubt look @ monobook source code I guess [18:57:51] I'm trying to move content from one wiki to another, via Special:Import and Special:Export [18:58:15] but I get "Import failed: Loss of session data. Please try again." if the imported XML is "too large" (6MB worked, 21MB didn't) [18:58:45] is there some tweakable maximum for the uploaded data? [18:58:54] or is there some command line tool to do an import directly on the server? [20:39:22] codex: sure, I will. apergos: thanks for your reply anyway. [21:01:15] hello… i recently restricted our wiki to require login to view any page (except the login page) and now it seems any extensions that try to GET a page are redir'd to the login page. how do i allow reading when the request originates from mediawiki itself? [21:02:43] the change was that i set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] to false [21:36:11] so for example the mPDF extension tries to make a GET request to the wiki for the content of a particular page but fails because it gets redir'd to the login page [21:36:27] is there a workaround for this? [22:03:48] #wikimedia-labs [22:50:59] Yo [22:51:00] What is this [22:52:06] 2399406881 [22:54:27] A number. [22:54:59] * Reedy high fives Trela [22:55:16] Duci1000: What is it in relation to? [22:58:35] Some fun time on the farm today. We got about a 20% performance increase switching out less.php with less.js in MW's resource loader. https://i.imgur.com/Wcxn1ZG.png [23:37:24] ori: ---^^ [23:37:59] I've been watching that. Our approach has been to just make sure we run LESS.php very rarely, by caching its output aggressively [23:38:00] which we do [23:38:24] but this seems interesting