[00:08:20] <CZauX>	 As it stands, mediawiki depends upon knowledge of sysadmin work, such as permissions and general system maintenance. Nobody is trying to deter you from using mediawiki, but nobody is making it very easy either, right now atleast.
[00:13:05] <CZauX>	 Without detailed information on your setup and the permissions of your install, not much help is to be had
[00:16:59] <CZauX>	 In the future there may be a project like EasyEngine for mediawiki which will make life simpler so there's a standard set of issues and resolutions to them.
[00:44:11] <shmn_01>	 hey
[00:44:18] <shmn_01>	 i need some help with the translation extension
[00:46:08] <shmn_01>	 is there a way to translate the values inside of an infobox?
[00:55:01] <bd808>	 shmn_01: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Translatable_template
[00:57:06] <shmn_01>	 @bd808 this allows the template to be translated in both the template and the values set?
[00:58:30] <bd808>	 shmn_01: I ... don't know how it actually works. I just know that's how translatable templates get marked on mediawiki.org
[00:58:45] <shmn_01>	 ah
[00:59:50] <bd808>	 I think you have to translate the template itself and then use something like that to include the correct translation in the embedding page
[01:25:11] <shmn_01>	 I see the template thing would work for navboxes, but i'll have to see how it works with infoboxes
[02:05:44] <shmn_01>	 also
[02:06:12] <shmn_01>	 does translating pages automatically add the language section to the left side of the page?
[02:06:47] <shmn_01>	 i see some wikis that use subpages of pages for translations as opposed to Extension:Translate
[02:48:57] <shmn_01>	 does anyone here know how to attach the options in Template:Lang onto a standard infobox?
[04:13:37] <RF-asleep>	 sorry sorry. calmed down. just got very frustrated over things
[04:14:08] <RF-asleep>	 sorry to CZauX Skizzerz ori maxsem ilera
[04:14:21] <ilera>	 it's ok :)
[04:15:31] <CZauX>	 I perfectly understand your frustration honestly. Sysadmin stuff gets complicated real quick.
[04:16:18] <CZauX>	 Not to mention that the documentation for installing/maintaining mediawiki is well outdated
[04:18:00] * RF-asleep nods
[04:18:21] <RF-asleep>	 at lest.... i want you guys to know that if i do fuck up, i'm at least big enough of a man-- er, fox to apologize and accept responsibility for it :)
[04:24:19] <RF-asleep>	 anyway i have to go move a shed in eight hours, so back to bed for me
[04:37:11] <CZauX>	 As an FYI, I've registered the MediaWiki channel on Discord for us. If any ops here would like to join and be sysops on ths channel, just let me know.
[04:38:55] <CZauX>	 Unless we already have one, but haven't seen it yet
[04:55:38] <CZauX>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_on_Discord Feel free to try it out/share
[05:24:34] <ori>	 CZauX: nice work!
[05:25:29] <CZauX>	 ty, I find discord to be a lot more convenient to communicate with than IRC.
[05:51:32] <CZauX>	 ori: Btw, what is your knowledge on the mediawiki core? Looking to get a confirm that skins handle the output of HTML to the user, and if there's any way to hook into that as an extension
[05:59:55] <RF-asleep>	 urgh... can't sleep.
[06:00:14] <RF-asleep>	 and i've noticed that the text for the sidebar's headers is black, which is imposible to read on a black background... how do i change that text to white?
[06:00:15] <RF-asleep>	 or gold?
[06:01:01] <CZauX>	 should be a syntax to change text color, but if its apart of the wiki itself then its a CSS thing most likely
[06:01:06] <CZauX>	 I don't really know what you're referencing
[06:01:54] <RF-asleep>	 http://www.starfoxwiki.info
[06:02:09] <RF-asleep>	 right below the logo, there's text that says navigation
[06:02:20] <RF-asleep>	 then you have Lylat Wiki
[06:02:21] <RF-asleep>	 Current events
[06:03:02] <RF-asleep>	 do i change that in Mediawiki:Monobook.css? Mediawiki:Common.css?  or the css files directly?
[06:06:23] <CZauX>	 Probably either, might be modified in monobook. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Interface/Sidebar
[06:06:30] <CZauX>	 search 'color' you'l find some css
[06:06:38] <RF-asleep>	 ok
[06:08:57] <RF-asleep>	 ok, so, Mediawiki:Monobook.css ?
[06:09:05] <RF-asleep>	 or /skins/monobook/monobook.css
[06:09:43] <CZauX>	 err, probably Mediawiki:Monobook.css if that does anything. I don't use monobook
[06:09:48] <RF-asleep>	 ok
[06:09:53] <RF-asleep>	 what do you use?
[06:09:55] <CZauX>	 Generally you want to avoid modifying the actual skin
[06:10:10] <CZauX>	 I use a heavily modified version of chameleon
[06:10:21] <RF-asleep>	 oooh
[06:10:33] <RF-asleep>	 heh. we have a chameleon character on the wiki. he's a villain >:D
[06:11:20] <CZauX>	 My wiki's are more media-centric, meant for game devs and act like a normal site rather than just a repository of information
[06:11:35] <CZauX>	 I'm not a lot of help when it comes to the standard mediawiki stuff like wikipedia
[06:17:15] <RF-asleep>	 that's ok
[06:17:22] <RF-asleep>	 the lylat wiki's pretty game-oriented too P
[06:17:23] <RF-asleep>	 :P
[06:17:29] <RF-asleep>	 hrm.. nothing i do is changing that text colour
[06:17:32] <RF-asleep>	 startin to piss me off again
[06:18:51] <RF-asleep>	 .portlet h3	{
[06:18:51] <RF-asleep>	 color: #FFFFFF;
[06:18:51] <RF-asleep>	 }
[06:18:54] <RF-asleep>	 doesn't seem to work
[06:19:00] <RF-asleep>	 tried adding that to MediaWiki:Common.css
[06:19:44] <RF-asleep>	 wait... nevermind, it works!
[06:19:48] <CZauX>	 there ya go
[06:20:19] <RF-asleep>	 http://starfoxwiki.info/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css should it be white, or gold?
[06:20:21] <CZauX>	 you're getting into the webdev side of things, lots of things can happen there, generally changes don't come immedietely due to caching
[06:20:43] <RF-asleep>	 oh, i've been webdeving since 2002
[06:20:51] <RF-asleep>	 been online since the early 1990s
[06:21:04] <RF-asleep>	 yes, i remember how painful it was to surf gophernet on my Commodore 128D
[06:21:20] <RF-asleep>	 i thought my shiny new Hayes 9600bps modem was the best thing ever :P
[06:21:24] <RF-asleep>	 then 14.4 came along :p
[06:21:31] <RF-asleep>	 this is the early 1990s
[06:21:51] <RF-asleep>	 been on and off in the late 1990s, since there wasn't much that interested me at the time.... only had a regular presence since 2002
[06:22:05] <RF-asleep>	 so, yeah.. i know my way around code.. but i get pissed when it doesn't do what i ask of it
[06:23:13] <RF-asleep>	 in recent years i've become a bit of a mad scientist... put Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in a virtual machine and actually got it online :P
[06:23:19] <RF-asleep>	 painful as hell, but it works
[06:26:04] <RF-asleep>	 ahh maxsem, sorry about having a meltdown earlier... was just very frustrated
[06:26:09] <RF-asleep>	 apologized earlier but you were out
[06:26:18] <MaxSem>	 :)
[06:26:22] <MaxSem>	 np
[06:26:31] <MaxSem>	 I know this can be frustrating
[06:26:36] <RF-asleep>	 ohh yus
[06:27:02] <RF-asleep>	 online since 1993, running websites and coding on a regular basis since 2002... still not any easier than back then :p
[06:27:49] <CZauX>	 Hopefully in a few months time I'l have the first version of easywiki out and some nice tutorials. There's a lot of hoopla on setting up mediawiki and modifications that is dated 10 years back
[06:28:30] <RF-asleep>	 yeah, DokuWiki makes me want to projectile vomit harder tahn the time i had salmonella :P
[06:28:44] <CZauX>	 I actually like Dokuwiki, but its aim isn't the same as Mediawiki
[06:28:51] <CZauX>	 thats more for yourself or a team of devs, not for public use
[06:31:40] <RF-asleep>	 that's what i mean
[06:31:44] <RF-asleep>	 it's fine for project collaboratin
[06:31:46] <RF-asleep>	 *collaboration
[06:32:01] <RF-asleep>	 but tryign to be a public wiki to everyone?  yeah, good luck with that. :P
[06:33:00] <CZauX>	 Doesn't even have an html parser with any implimentation of security. Allow anything outside of their markup and you're able to XSS
[06:33:17] <CZauX>	 Can just put JS anywhere you like
[06:33:41] <CZauX>	 I put a good amount of work into a doku wiki before I noticed that fun bit
[06:35:28] <RF-asleep>	 hooray for security holes big enough to sail an aircraft carrier through!
[07:34:09] <penguinstyles>	 Hi! I started working on a custom mediawiki skin, however I am getting an error from OutputPage.php when attempting to load the page and my less styling won't load. http://pastebin.com/raw/ijLXMk2H
[07:43:47] <MaxSem>	 penguinstyles, https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-MonoBook/blob/master/skin.json#L28
[07:45:44] <penguinstyles>	 Yes, that is getting rid of the errors however my less still isn't being loaded.
[07:50:16] <penguinstyles>	 MaxSem: I took a look at the stylesheets that MediaWiki is loading and I'm getting this: Problematic modules: {"skins.avant.styles":"error"}
[07:50:30] <MaxSem>	 mhm
[07:53:24] <MaxSem>	 !debug
[07:53:24] <wm-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[07:53:34] <MaxSem>	 look for exception information
[08:03:01] <penguinstyles>	 MaxSem: Would you mind if I PM'd you?
[08:03:43] <MaxSem>	 sure, if it's something non-public
[08:04:12] <penguinstyles>	 Not necessarily non-public, I'd just rather not clog up the chat here in case someone else needs help.
[08:05:25] <MaxSem>	 it's actually the opposite, people could benefit from knowing what happened to you:)
[08:05:36] <penguinstyles>	 Gotcha
[08:06:41] <penguinstyles>	 Well I added http://pastebin.com/raw/MFKyh0Ty to LocalSettings.php however the only difference I'm noticing is that the Problematic modules message is gone but styles still aren't being loaded.
[08:07:40] <MaxSem>	 set $wgDebugLogFile
[08:10:43] <CZauX>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sprswqpt682hyjki
[08:20:41] <penguinstyles>	 MaxSem: http://pastebin.com/raw/a3GrZUsF
[08:21:29] <MaxSem>	 "Less.php cache directory isn't writable: /var/folders/zn/0kpfnymx599bzk1bcz4jn63w0000gn/T"
[08:24:51] <penguinstyles>	 Alright, made it writable, here's the newest log: http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRG4tB0
[08:31:20] <MaxSem>	 looks good
[08:34:41] <penguinstyles>	 But styles still aren't being loaded.
[08:53:30] <CZauX>	 Shot in the dark, but have you tried basic less?
[08:53:40] <CZauX>	 if there's any errors in the less compile, your styles will not load
[11:12:21] <CZauX>	 Anyone know if Mediawiki is effected by the ImageMagick 'ImageTragick' exploit?
[11:13:43] <James_F>	 CZauX: Yes, you should patch your ImageMagick executables.
[11:14:54] <CZauX>	 Does adding the policy workaroudn in /etc/ImageMagick/policy.xml also work until the packages are updated in system repo?
[11:15:18] <James_F>	 I think so. Sorry, I'm not an expert.
[11:15:41] <CZauX>	 np
[11:41:24] <Hello71>	 only if you have modified at least two of the defaults
[12:23:56] <CZauX>	 Any standardized way to load in external css style sheets?
[12:24:00] <CZauX>	 in a skin I mean
[18:56:15] <Leah>	 CZauX: Register the stylesheet via ResourceLoader.
[18:56:27] <Leah>	 Or you can use @import if you must.
[23:46:10] <tactica>	 hi
[23:46:26] <tactica>	 anyone has a direct web link for Names.php in the current source code?
[23:47:20] <tactica>	 the git-based link in "Project:Language policy" is dead
[23:49:56] <MatmaRex>	 tactica: yeah
[23:50:14] <MatmaRex>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/languages/data/Names.php
[23:50:38] <tactica>	 thanks!