[03:15:27] <locksmith>	 I just got the latest mediawiki from github. When I go to http://localhost/mw-config/index.php it has things like "<config-title>
[03:15:29] <locksmith>	 "
[03:15:35] <locksmith>	 and "<config-page-language>
[03:15:41] <locksmith>	 is it not loading the language or what?
[03:15:58] <locksmith>	 like the installer pages just have <stuff-like-this> everywhere
[03:34:56] <locksmith>	 so the installer is displaying the language template tags, not the actual words?
[03:38:33] <CZauX>	 Generally you don't want to use code straight from a github repo, thats the master repo. Should use an actual release
[03:38:45] <CZauX>	 I think there's a 1.26 branch
[03:43:25] <locksmith>	 right
[03:43:37] <locksmith>	 I just wanted to get the latest
[03:43:41] <locksmith>	 but it should still be working
[03:43:52] <locksmith>	 I wanted the latest, greatest
[03:59:08] <locksmith>	 anyone know or should I just ignore it?
[03:59:49] <locksmith>	 it has <config-sidebar>  at bottom of page
[04:05:01] <locksmith>	 should I just use the installer anyway?
[04:05:10] <CZauX>	 latest doesn't mean greatest. get 1.27 if you're looking for a beta if thats out yet.
[04:05:37] <CZauX>	 Unless you have a specific reason for using the master branch, using it will only be problems.
[04:06:26] <locksmith>	 I just don't get it. Why isn't this working?
[04:07:27] <locksmith>	 look http://picpaste.com/Screen_Shot_2016-05-07_at_11.06.37_PM-f6kRLdl7.png
[04:07:46] <locksmith>	 that's what the installer look like
[04:09:33] <CZauX>	 No idea, but you haven't provided much information about the problem. If you're using the mediawiki master branch and you don't have real good reason, just go get 1.26, or try out 1.27.
[04:10:05] <CZauX>	 Github is meant for developers, its not meant to be used as a download repository, thats what releases are for.
[04:10:06] <locksmith>	 yes master branch
[04:10:22] <locksmith>	 but I want to use the master
[04:12:40] <CZauX>	 Then you're on your own there. Could be any oddity causing that problem, even as simple as an incomplete feature. Thats why release candidacy exists
[04:43:27] <locksmith>	 I mean it works
[04:43:35] <locksmith>	 you say it's a bad idea to use master though
[04:43:41] <locksmith>	 so I will use the 1.27 beta
[04:45:51] <locksmith>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.27 says that 1.27 is the git master
[04:46:51] <locksmith>	 so do I get the master to use 1.27 ?
[04:50:49] <locksmith>	 or is there a branch for 1.27?
[04:53:17] <Leah>	 locksmith: There's probably not a REL_1_27 branch yet since 1.27 isn't released yet.
[04:53:39] <locksmith>	 so how do I try 1.27?
[04:53:46] <locksmith>	 is that just the master ?
[04:53:53] <Leah>	 Yeah.
[04:53:58] <Leah>	 master is currently 1.27alpha.
[04:54:04] <Leah>	 I believe.
[04:54:05] <locksmith>	 no
[04:54:07] <locksmith>	 1.28
[04:54:23] <locksmith>	 1.28.0-alpha (1e959b8)
[04:54:32] <locksmith>	 thats what the Version page says
[04:54:37] <locksmith>	 and I just got it from github
[04:55:19] <Leah>	 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2016-May/085498.html
[04:55:32] <Leah>	 Looks like the REL1_27 branch should exist.
[04:55:39] <CZauX>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/tree/REL1_27
[04:55:44] <Leah>	 As of May 5, 2016.
[04:57:21] <CZauX>	 Again, if you're looking to build a wiki, it is highly suggested to use the latest stable build. Newer versions are newer because they change things, oddities and incompatabilities are to be expected until its stable
[04:57:41] <locksmith>	 yeah that's why I'll use 1.27
[04:57:42] <Leah>	 If you're involved with MediaWiki development, running master is fine.
[04:57:49] <locksmith>	 no im not
[04:57:55] <Leah>	 1.27 isn't out yet.
[04:58:08] <Leah>	 Latest stable release is 1.26.2.
[04:58:38] <locksmith>	 ok...
[04:58:47] <Leah>	 The channel topic says this. :-)
[04:59:36] <Leah>	 1.27 will be released around the end of May 2016.
[04:59:40] <Leah>	 1.27.0, specifically.
[04:59:57] <locksmith>	 so it should be safe to use 1.27
[05:00:00] <locksmith>	 its almost released
[05:00:12] <Leah>	 Yeah, should be fine.
[05:00:23] <Leah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.27/Roadmap
[05:00:26] <locksmith>	 it's going to be a small wiki
[05:00:32] <Leah>	 Wikipedia and its sister sites have been using 1.27 for months.
[05:01:24] <locksmith>	 ok cool
[05:01:33] <locksmith>	 ill use 1.27 
[05:07:07] <locksmith>	 also, i hope getting the REL1_27 branch of the mediawiki-skins repo will give me the right skins to work with 1.27
[05:07:30] <locksmith>	 because I know it maps to the mw gerit repo
[05:07:33] <locksmith>	 not just a copy
[11:33:14] <leee>	 Is one able to transclude the listing of pages in a category in another article?
[13:29:34] <SPF|Cloud>	 leee: {{Category:YourCategory}}
[14:03:09] <leee>	 SPF|Cloud: unfortunately does not also show those pages
[20:03:43] <Leah>	 Hi leee.
[20:03:51] <Leah>	 You want the CategoryTree extension, I imagine.
[20:03:53] <Leah>	 !e CategoryTree
[20:03:53] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree
[20:04:17] <Leah>	 Though one wonders why transcluding a category behaves so idiotically.
[20:05:05] <Krenair>	 does that just transclude the contents of the category's page instead of the list of pages?
[20:05:19] <Leah>	 Yeah.
[20:05:24] <Leah>	 Same with {{File:Foo.png}}.
[20:05:34] <Leah>	 I don't think anyone has ever wanted the behavior. It's so dumb.
[20:19:11] <Leah>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134696
[20:19:52] <CZauX>	 Mediawiki has been long due for a facelift in those areas, especially the default editor. Really annoying using Msupload and a bunch of other extensions when there should just be a full native editor
[20:20:37] <Leah>	 Are you, uhh, responding to someone?
[20:21:00] <CZauX>	 I'm talking just generally, there's so many quirks to mediawiki :P
[20:21:04] <Leah>	 Oh, sure.
[20:21:13] <Leah>	 It would be nice to have a built-in rasterized image editor.
[20:21:17] <Leah>	 And a built-in vector image editor.
[20:21:31] <Leah>	 Especially for small changes like rotating an image or cropping it.
[20:22:50] <CZauX>	 Yeah, its either install VisualEditor or deal with a bunch of extensions that don't quite feel right. But parsoid takes up 400MB idling, so thats not much of an option for a budget wiki