[01:18:38] hey [01:20:02] I had a question regarding the Languages section seen at the side of some wikis (ones that don't link to other sites, but to versions of pages with language codes at the end of the URL [01:20:03] ) [01:20:31] is an extension required for this? I tried making a /ja subpage on a page for testing and nothing showed up [01:22:36] i really need some help with thi [01:38:47] shmn01: Do you have a link to the functionality you're describing? [01:39:33] Leah: an example can be seen here - https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Main_Page [01:43:05] The "Languages" bar on the side and the subpage functionality [01:43:13] Hmmmm. [01:44:56] I'm not sure how they're doing that. [01:45:07] The sidebar links are in the HTML. [01:45:15] So probably some custom extension? [01:45:22] I don't see anything obvious at https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Special:Version [01:45:33] I tried to talk to them about it but nobody's answering on the IRC [01:45:47] and when I did get to talk to them the person I talked to didn't know much about it [01:46:15] https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Template:Lang [01:46:23] This may be connected to this [01:47:56] even if I can't add this style of translation, I would at least like to know if there is a way to bypass the Extension:Translate limitations and edit the source [01:49:19] If I could get that, I couldn't translate the infoboxes, but I could translate the values inside them [01:50:26] it's odd that this extension refuses to edit templates [01:50:27] shmn01, there's a link on the main page, to https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Help:Language_translation [01:53:59] quiddity; this helps, but I still don't understand what modifications have lead to the sidebar links and language changing [01:54:35] it looks like they're using some custom solution. I suggest asking on the noticeboard linked there. [01:55:06] (after reading the docs of course, as the answers might be within!) [01:56:11] * quiddity wanders off to look for food. [01:57:40] I checked the noticeboard and didn't find anything [01:58:12] I did find a Steam page for the wiki though [01:59:17] I'll try to contact them [02:27:21] still not getting any help [02:27:26] i don't understand it [02:27:45] i just need a way to get infoboxes in other languages [02:27:48] it shouldnt be this hard [02:30:29] i don't get why the extension would be made in a way that absolutely prohibits source editing in translations [05:20:47] Hi all. I really love MediaWiki's (wiki) discussion extension. Could anyone tell me what the extension's name is? :) [05:29:00] Got it! It's Flow. :) [10:38:52] Is anyone working on updating the Tidy library for Mediawiki? I just came across a problem where Tidy is removing my empty elements, and its due to using the ancient libtidy. There's an updated version here: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5 [10:40:19] I don't have the ability to make a PR to impliment that, but thats one thing that if updated, would definetely help to modernize Mediawiki and get rid of the random oddities of HTML5 skins [10:41:49] tidy tracker is here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T4542 [10:42:12] only thing I could find about updating it was https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T41525 - not very helpful :/ [10:46:01] hi [10:46:05] hi [10:46:18] can an admin please take a look here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:T3kqbcx79np5nyiq [10:47:11] Having to deal with the Translate extension as an editor is cumbersome enough, but I didn't expect a language admin to revert changes meant to improve the documentation [10:47:49] just because "it's fine as it is for my translation" [10:48:27] Seems the issue they have is that you got rid of the translated version as well [10:48:38] You could just keep the other languages and update the english one [10:48:55] I didn't remove any translations, I just edited the English text [10:49:48] If you are keeping the other languages and only updating the english one, then yeah, that guy shouldn't be moderating threads. [10:49:56] but he is [10:50:06] he won't revert his change [10:50:15] (he reverted mine) [10:50:42] The world of wiki's, where people own pages and revert any change that isn't theirs so they can feel they have some ownership. Anybody know of any global admins here? [10:50:48] Should be able to PM one [10:52:16] I mean, I won't enter an edit war, if he wants to have it his way fine, I'll leave and limit myself to write docs for my own wiki and be done with mw.org [10:52:37] translating for free is one thing, having to deal with abuse is another matter altogether [10:52:42] andre__: Are you a mediawiki admin by chance or know any that could handle this? [10:54:49] I don't think this requires "an admin" but some more discussion instead. [10:55:22] In theory there is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Current_issues for a broader audience. [10:56:27] andre: then discuss with him yourself, I don't know how I could make my point clearer in that thread [10:57:01] he seems to think that English docs are set it stone after someone translated them to some language, or that's what he's saying at least [10:59:08] Yeah, there isn't much discussion left there, shouldn't have to argue your way and get more people when the edit is obviously an improvement [11:03:06] so Project:Current issues is the only thing left to try...? [11:04:05] No, it's the next thing to try. [11:04:11] I'm not going to intervene until you do so. [11:04:20] ok... [11:12:21] done [11:16:37] +1 [11:18:05] hi and sorry: but is this is the right place to come if i am having trouble getting an infobox working on my wiki? [11:19:03] You can certainly try to ask :) [11:19:46] Ok, cool. It's not technically my wiki but my friend whose running it is super busy at the moment. Basically: I think all the templates nad modules have been imported, but the infobox presented is just displaying raw html code [11:19:56] (it's template:infobox ship begin etc) [11:20:01] http://marewiki.ml/index.php/Khojilev-class_aircraft_carrier you can see an e.g. here [11:20:22] tactica, I left a comment supporting your position [11:20:30] let's see how it goes from here [11:20:48] I noticed. Thank you both. [11:21:27] By the way, CZauX, I didn't like this much: The world of wiki's, where people own pages and revert any change that isn't theirs so they can feel they have some ownership. [11:21:51] I have seen that happen, but this is not it. [11:23:07] We can disagree with Shirayuki about this matter, but please don't accuse people of that sort of thing unless they're actually doing it [11:23:36] +1. [11:40:30] nobody? :( [11:43:57] I'm looking at it, figuring out why it'd show pure html [11:44:49] http://marewiki.ml/index.php/Template:Infobox [11:45:00] there's an odd PHP error at the top there [11:45:36] too late, he left ;) [11:46:06] He'l come back. They always come back [11:47:32] Told ya. mjlabunda: http://marewiki.ml/index.php/Template:Infobox [11:47:38] Odd PHP error at the top [11:47:41] hi [11:47:48] oh really [11:47:58] Might becausing that [11:48:05] *be causing [11:48:20] sorry I can't see the error: what is it [11:49:20] https://gist.github.com/Cyken-Zeraux/0e1acd0c4b32bc928f82dfce9552bfad there ya go [11:49:31] I don't know if thats specifically causing the render not to work, but that is a problem [11:49:41] I see... [11:50:24] Usually thats a call to a function that doesn't exist. [11:50:24] oh right, I see it now [11:50:38] I see [11:50:41] That sounds like it could be a problem yea [11:51:12] Other than that, only thing I know of is to try out a basic Infobox and work up from there if the basic works [11:51:28] all the other infoboxes we've transferred work fine [11:51:48] so I guess this must be it? [11:52:47] ncluding other MILHIST infoboxes (specifically {{Infobox weapon}} tho now that I look at the template, it also has the same error [11:53:23] this is beyond me to fix though, unfortunately [11:54:09] have a link to your weapon infobox? [11:54:32] sure http://marewiki.ml/index.php/Template:Infobox_weapon [12:00:07] Its probably in the code for the Infobox_ship_begin. http://marewiki.ml/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_ship_begin&action=edit But I'm no wiki syntax expert. I'd try making a new template, copy the weapons template and build up the new template. [12:00:41] thanks for the help [12:00:50] You said you guys imported your templates, it could also be that you're missing an extension that impliments custom syntax. A lot of od little things on that template [12:01:03] they were imported directly from wikipedia [12:01:17] Oh, that gives a much better point of reference [12:01:29] (apparently... I didn't import them) [12:01:52] (but ya, ship begin is teh same) [12:02:57] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_ship_begin&action=edit [12:03:20] I'm guessing you're missing some syntax parser, no easy way to tell which that I know of [12:03:29] right [12:03:38] so i guess finding that out is just trial and error or [12:08:44] I would first look at the pages that are said to be transcluded with the template and make sure they exist [12:08:57] cool [12:09:09] *make sure they exist on your wiki [12:09:26] I have a sneaky feeling it's WPSHIPS_Utilities [12:11:19] Yeah, further than what I've said I don't know much about how all of that works together, somebody else here might, though [12:11:27] Mainly you need a way to debug what isn't parsing right [12:11:29] thanks so much for your help [12:11:32] np [12:12:59] Also, Kreinar, I am inclined to agree with you on that one after looking into it, I'l be making sure to look into the edits in the future. [13:21:58] morning [13:23:19] afternoon :) [13:35:36] test [16:24:07] hm... according to Help:CirrusSearch one would think that all those queries should work in a current MW, but this is not the case here with 1.26.2... it needs the CirrusSearch extension to be installed, right? If so, it's strange that would document the features in Help: instead of doing it in the page describing the page [16:24:30] *one would document [16:24:36] *describing the extension [16:25:40] the page doesn't have a cc0 template attached either so I'm not even sure a short version can be reused in Help:Search [16:26:48] documentation is quite chaotic to say the least :) [16:30:20] tactica: which help page are you talking about? Help:CirrusSearch is the help for the CirrusSearchextension so it does sound crazy to me that you need to install this extension? [16:31:37] s/does sound/doesn't sound/ [16:33:29] Extension:CirrusSearch is mentionned in "See Also", maybe it'd be clearer to add a note about it in the first section [16:33:44] the documentation for the extension should be in Help:Extension:CirrusSearch or something like that, AFAIK [16:36:22] it's all quite confusing - the "See also" section in Extension:CirrusSearch is pointing to Search as "project page"... what project? [16:37:25] dcausse: it would seem to that I do need to install the extension because the instructions in Help:CirrusSearch don't work. Either that or I'm missing something. [16:37:41] *to me that I do need [16:37:46] hmm I see some other extension help pages on mw.org that are not named like that, it does not necesserally mean that it's the right way to do. Unfortunately I'm not knowledgeable enough to judge here. [16:38:22] concerning this Project page, I have no idea what it is :/ [16:38:44] it redirects to Help:Searching which is tagged "outdated" [16:38:55] exactly [16:39:10] so one would think CirrusSearch is built-in right now [16:41:23] even the warning in Help:Searching claims Cirrus is now the "default" [16:42:33] tactica: yes some of these pages can lead to some confusions between mediawiki as a product and wikipedia installations [16:43:09] ah, so cirrus is the default *for Wikipedia* ? [16:43:16] yes [16:43:30] that would explain it [16:44:22] right, that's it [18:23:20] Hi there. I'm trying to run the SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi extension in mediaWiki vagrant and I'm getting the error described at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/mediawiki/669074 [18:23:43] Unfortunately I don't know what "run composer install in geshi's directory" actually means [18:23:56] can someone ellaborate on that a bit? [18:24:51] strainu: hmm. i'd guess it means in shell, `cd extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi` and run `composer install` there [18:25:32] yeah, I thought that too, except there is no composer there and I'm not sure what composer is if it's a system command [18:25:49] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Composer [18:25:59] hm [18:27:21] oh, silly me [18:27:37] I should have done that in the VM, not on my machine [18:29:58] hmm, it says "Nothing to install or update" [18:30:05] and the class file is there [18:30:34] actually, the error I get is slightly different, "Class undefined: Symfony\Component\Process\ProcessBuilder " [18:32:27] oh, I seem to have hit https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125504 [18:32:30] great :)