[00:09:18] <bluesilver>	 hi anyone managing this group? seems pretty silent
[00:09:45] <bluesilver>	 apartently White_Master was pretty pissed.
[00:09:56] <bawolff>	 bluesilver: Do you have a question?
[00:10:02] <bluesilver>	 bawolff: I guess you are an admin.
[00:10:09] <bawolff>	 This time of day tends to be quiet
[00:10:11] <bluesilver>	 well I cant access the channel.
[00:10:29] <bluesilver>	 really? is 8pm in the US
[00:10:31] <bawolff>	 I don't have ops right on this channel, but I am a mediawiki developer, and I have admin on mediawiki.org
[00:10:38] <bluesilver>	 and I have been since 2 or 3 days ago.
[00:10:52] <bluesilver>	 didnt see much activity either.
[00:11:20] <bluesilver>	 ah I see, well I am looking for help editing a skin I am doing based of the CongloBlue
[00:11:34] <bawolff>	 This channel has kind of devolved into user help. Most dev activity takes place on other channels ( #wikimedia-dev , #wikimedia-<other random thing here>
[00:12:10] <bluesilver>	 ok so for a skin dev I should be on mediawiki-dev?
[00:12:25] <bawolff>	 I'm not really a skin person, but if you ask your question someone else might now
[00:12:29] <bawolff>	 Here is fine
[00:12:49] <bawolff>	 actually here is better, your question will probably get lost between the bot spam in #wikimedia-dev
[00:13:46] <bluesilver>	 uff.. 
[00:14:05] <bluesilver>	 I have been here for a while and nobody really seem to know how to do what I want, and is so simple.
[00:14:15] <bluesilver>	 Is just a matter of move a menu to the header instead of the side bar.
[00:14:42] <bluesilver>	 I even sent an email yesterday to the  mediawiki mailing list but still no reply, seems the list is also slow.
[00:15:41] <bawolff>	 Well people are also busy, and stuff
[00:17:19] <bawolff>	 Just because nobody replies doesn't mean that nobody knows. Very specific questions tend to get better answers
[00:18:50] <Krenair>	 Hi
[00:18:52] <Krenair>	 I have ops here
[00:19:04] <bluesilver>	 cool
[00:19:17] <Krenair>	 The time is 01:19 (WEST)
[00:19:28] <bluesilver>	 WEST? 
[00:19:32] <bluesilver>	 china?
[00:19:37] <bluesilver>	 europe
[00:19:46] <bluesilver>	 I am on -5 UTC
[00:20:10] <bluesilver>	 anyway my question is regarding this skin: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Cologne_Blue
[00:20:33] <bluesilver>	 my issue is regarding the allocation of the menus, I want to move a menu from the sidebar to the header bar.
[00:20:44] <Krenair>	 Western European Summer Time... Otherwise known as British Summer Time
[00:20:51] <bluesilver>	 here is the source file: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/SCBL/browse/master/SkinCologneBlue.php
[00:20:53] <Krenair>	 UTC+1
[00:21:12] <bluesilver>	 LOL nevermind
[00:21:32] <bluesilver>	 I usually just recognize it as EST
[00:22:46] <bluesilver>	 Krenair: btw I am trying join the channel but says that I am banned
[00:23:24] <bluesilver>	 I have this nick 'JZA' 
[00:23:34] <bluesilver>	 can you please unbann it?
[00:24:01] <bluesilver>	 I dont remember ever being here before or banned, so mabye someone else used it.
[00:24:25] <Krenair>	 which channel?
[00:24:53] <bluesilver>	 this one, #mediawiki
[00:26:22] <bluesilver>	 so back to my question, on Cologne_Blue, there is this function, quickbar which uses an array of menus and the interate on those menus to asign heading and data. What I need is to get 'caction' out on this array and insert it on the other function sysLinks
[00:26:56] <Krenair>	 I don't see any bans like 'JZA'
[00:27:00] <bluesilver>	 so far so good, but I think I am getting php issues because every change crashed the site. Wonder if people can have a look at this.
[00:27:16] <bluesilver>	 Krenair: humm..
[00:27:33] <bluesilver>	 JZA #mediawiki Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned
[00:28:24] <Krenair>	 * 28[18JZA28] 30(24JZA@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yjserpgxewlqfhzb30): 18Alexandro Colorado
[00:28:30] <Krenair>	 * #wikimedia-bans: *!*@gateway/shell/elitebnc/* on Wed Jun 22 08:14:58 2016 by card.freenode.net
[00:28:55] <bluesilver>	 what is card.freenode.net?
[00:29:01] <Krenair>	 a freenode server
[00:29:15] <bluesilver>	 wow a server bann it?
[00:29:28] <bluesilver>	 I am on so many channels, maybe it was some anti-flooding
[00:29:38] <Krenair>	 there's a lot of entries in #wikimedia-bans set by servers. might be due to netsplits
[00:29:49] <bluesilver>	 yeah that too
[00:29:56] <Krenair>	 it's not just you
[00:30:10] <Krenair>	 that ban is for everything using 'elitebnc'
[00:30:25] <bluesilver>	 oooh so is a bouncer bann, too bad
[00:33:47] <bawolff>	 bluesilver: first steps, enable php error reporting and all that
[00:33:50] <bawolff>	 !blankpage
[00:33:50] <wm-bot>	 A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>.
[01:48:47] <adrian_1908>	 hello. Is there a ballpark figure on disk space consumption of a fresh MediaWiki installation?
[01:51:13] <Debra>	 adrian_1908: Probably about 100 MB?
[01:51:38] <Debra>	 If you have the full Git history of MediaWiki core, that'll add a lot more space.
[01:51:49] <Debra>	 And if you include vendor/ stuffs and extensions/, it'll raise it.
[01:52:26] <adrian_1908>	 Debra: ok, that gives me an idea. Thank you!
[01:52:44] <Debra>	 I guess I'd say closer to 200 MB?
[01:54:04] <Vulpix>	 113MB the extracted tarball, 128MB on disk because of fragmentation
[01:55:54] <Debra>	 vendor/ is 36M for me.
[04:48:15] <Stilett0>	 hi
[04:48:41] <Debra>	 Hi.
[04:50:17] <Stilett0>	 I've an (older) skin for mediawiki, how do i update it for newer mediawiki?
[04:51:14] <Debra>	 Hmmm.
[04:55:58] <Stilett0>	 I'd made a CSS file for a previous version of mediawiki (prior to Nov 2014) but then the format was changed or something and it no longer works properly
[04:57:05] <Stilett0>	 now i think they require php files as well as css files? I'm a bit lost
[05:11:34] <Debra>	 Stilett0: Generally you can edit CSS on the wiki itself.
[05:11:50] <Debra>	 By editing the wiki pages "MediaWiki:Common.css" or "MediaWiki:<skin name>.css" as a local administrator.
[05:12:55] <Stilett0>	 right. and it worked fine in mediawiki 1.21 or 1.22 or something. Now we're on 1.23.6 and it doesn't look right at all
[05:14:06] <Stilett0>	 i can post it if you want
[05:19:48] <Debra>	 Sure.
[05:19:53] <Debra>	 I'm going to sleep, but someone in here can probably help you.
[05:20:36] <Stilett0>	 okay, here's the old CSS that displayed as intended in mediawiki 1.21 or 1.22 or something: http://pastebin.com/6wfqGJNb
[05:22:16] <Stilett0>	 okay, got it: our former version was 1.14.0
[05:47:18] <k-man>	 i'm having a problem with a new template I made not showing up on the home page even though I listed it there
[06:01:00] * Stilett0 waits for help to arrive
[06:24:45] <aharoni>	 Hallo. I haven't used my vagrant installation for a couple of months, and I'm trying to revive it.
[06:25:06] <aharoni>	 I updated the vagrant directory from git, I re-ran setup.sh, and I update mediawiki core from git,
[06:25:15] <aharoni>	 and now when I try to open the wiki all I get is:
[06:25:26] <aharoni>	 "Class undefined: WrappedString\WrappedStringList"
[06:26:01] <aharoni>	 Did I miss any step in updating vagrant?
[06:26:28] <aharoni>	 Do I need to do anything with composer?
[07:09:42] <Nikerabbit>	 aharoni: sounds like missing composer update
[08:56:38] <speciesATtm>	 I need the url for thumbnails from images stored in Mediawiki, where I only now the File:$imagename.jpg. Is there a possibility to compute the .../thumb/e/e0/... "random" prefix without a Mediawiki API call?
[09:39:08] <Nemo_bis>	 speciesATtm: Special:Redirect/file/$imagename?width=$x
[09:54:30] <clrh>	 hi
[09:55:24] <clrh>	 I am looking for the structure of ['nav_urls'] array - does someone can tell me where I can find a description ? (looking for just a "base_url" of my website, before "index.php"
[09:55:48] <CyberCr33p>	 hello
[09:56:43] <CyberCr33p>	 I install mediawiki here: http://wiki.cretaforce.gr , I notice problem with the greek characters in the links. Any idea how to fix it ?
[09:59:02] <CyberCr33p>	 I see the same issue here: http://wiki.cretaforce.gr/Αρχική_σελίδα
[09:59:08] <CyberCr33p>	 sorry here: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Βικιπαίδεια:Πνευματικά_δικαιώματα
[10:01:33] <clrh>	 I think I found it in ['nav_urls']['permalink']['href']
[10:01:46] <clrh>	 no idea about your problem CyberCr33p sorry
[10:03:05] <andre__>	 CyberCr33p, what is the "problem with greek characters in the links" exactly?
[10:03:34] <CyberCr33p>	 for example the links are like this: http://wiki.cretaforce.gr/Αρχική_σελίδα#.CE.9F.CE.B4.CE.B7.CE.B3.CE.AF.CE.B5.CF.82_.CF.87.CF.81.CE.AE.CF.83.CE.B7.CF.82_Filezilla
[10:03:52] <CyberCr33p>	 it replace greek charracters with .CE.9F.CE.B4.CE.B7.CE.B3.CE.AF.CE.B5.CF.82_.CF.87.CF.81.CE.AE.CF.83.CE.B7.CF.82
[10:04:04] <CyberCr33p>	 and the same issue in el.wikipedia.org
[10:04:08] <andre__>	 CyberCr33p: that is how the internet works.
[10:04:15] <andre__>	 Encoding of URLs.
[10:04:18] <CyberCr33p>	 I worry about SEO
[10:04:30] <andre__>	 Ah. Wait. You refer to the anchors within the pages. I see.
[10:04:40] <CyberCr33p>	 yes
[10:05:58] <andre__>	 see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75092
[10:06:25] <CyberCr33p>	 thanks
[10:08:22] <CyberCr33p>	 so can't do anything about it
[10:08:32] <andre__>	 nope, sorry
[10:08:36] <CyberCr33p>	 ok
[10:08:37] <CyberCr33p>	 thanks
[10:36:12] <Piotrek>	 is there any way to see the wikicode generated by a template?
[10:43:22] <speciesATtm>	 Nemo_bis: many thanks, works fine :-)
[10:47:36] <Nemo_bis>	 good
[14:55:55] <clrh>	 hi again
[14:56:15] <clrh>	 is there a way to mass delete all files uploaded ? a script or sql request or whatever ?
[15:01:33] <Nikerabbit>	 clrh: maybe the nuke extension also deletes files?
[15:02:08] <Nemo_bis>	 Delete from the file system or what
[15:02:57] <clrh>	 oh yes nuke works, sorry :)
[15:54:06] <abhinand_>	 Hi, I am trying to get the categories which are included in page from PageContentSaveComplete hook. I am using $article->getTitle()->getParentCategories(); and I am getting each category like Category:CategoryName.
[15:54:18] <abhinand_>	  Is there a way to get just the 'CategoryName'
[15:54:49] <Reedy>	 				$data[$wgContLang->getNsText( NS_CATEGORY ) . ':' . $row->cl_to] = $this->getFullText();
[15:55:12] <Reedy>	 replace $wgContLang->getNsText( NS_CATEGORY ) . ':' with ''
[15:57:02] <Reedy>	 hacky
[15:57:44] <abhinand_>	 Reedy: let me try that. thanks
[16:20:15] <Stilett0>	 can someone please help me modernize a skin designed for Mediawiki 1.14 to 1.23.6?
[16:20:52] <Reedy>	 why 1.23.6?
[16:21:25] <Stilett0>	 cuz that's what we're on right now. I can maybe recommend the server admin updating if it will help matters, i'm just local admin
[16:21:42] <Reedy>	 Well, at a minimum, you're running a version with known security issues
[16:21:53] <Reedy>	 So I'd suggest going to 1.23.14 at lest
[16:21:54] <Reedy>	 *least
[16:21:57] <Stilett0>	 oh nice, okay :)
[16:22:01] <Reedy>	 If not 1.27
[16:22:13] <Reedy>	 Trying to remember if there were any other skin changes between 1.23 and 1.27
[16:22:32] <Stilett0>	 upgrading aside, can someone help or is there a place you can send me or something?
[16:22:43] <Reedy>	 People in here will probably be able to help
[16:22:46] <Reedy>	 Depends what issues you're having
[16:22:58] <Stilett0>	 ok
[16:23:24] <Stilett0>	 well, here's the css code, which displayed as desired in 1.14: http://pastebin.com/6wfqGJNb
[16:45:46] <MGChecker>	 Can somebody tell me how to update simple Extensions like this one to Extension Registration? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringUtils#Code
[16:49:05] <MatmaRex>	 MGChecker: there is a maintenance scrupt that does most of the work for you
[16:49:36] <MatmaRex>	 maintenance/convertExtensionToRegistration.php
[18:42:07] <drvela>	 hi
[18:43:04] <drvela>	 can anyone tell me why my wiki's links have the colon percent-encoded (eg 'wiki.com/wiki/Help%3AGetting_Help')?
[18:43:39] <drvela>	 wikipedia's are not encoded this way. their's would be 'wiki.com/wiki/Help:Getting_Help'
[18:45:47] <andre__>	 drvela, how do you create that link?
[18:47:39] <drvela>	 it is the standard link in wiki, like [[Page Name|Page Description]]
[18:47:57] <drvela>	 or [[Help:PageName]] in this case
[18:48:12] <Reedy>	 On the links is interesting...
[20:04:58] <auvajs>	 hi, is there some way how to get a list from Special:WhatLinksHere in lua/scribunto and work with it?
[20:05:30] <auvajs>	 or from Special:PrefixIndex?
[20:33:52] <Trela>	 What is the correct way to add fields to the sign up field now?  MW 1.27 breaks adding them through the UserCreateForm hook using $template->set('extraInput', ...).
[20:34:30] <Trela>	 *sigh up form
[20:35:37] <Trela>	 *sign
[20:37:29] <Betacommand>	 Any chance I can bribe someone to fix https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74931 ?
[20:41:15] <Reedy>	 Betacommand: I guess it needs a bit of work working out where it would be exposed etc
[20:41:56] <Reedy>	 Probably needs to go via the DBA in theory, and maybe the perf team
[20:47:31] <Trela>	 Oh, turns out the new sign up page does not respect emailrequired/$wgEmailConfirmToEdit properly either.
[20:48:01] <Reedy>	 Trela: File a bug for that please? :)
[20:48:28] <Betacommand>	 Reedy: primary use for the WMF would be labs, but the linksearch API would be the most obvious place to expose it.
[20:48:30] <Trela>	 I am looking for all the broken stuff a while.  There is actually right there above it: // FIXME will break non-standard providers
[20:48:56] <Betacommand>	 Trela: file a ticket
[20:49:25] <Trela>	 Right.  I am making sure I have all the information first.
[20:56:15] <auvajs>	 hi, is there some way how to get a list from Special:WhatLinksHere in lua/scribunto and work with it?
[20:56:26] <jackmcbarn>	 no
[20:56:44] <auvajs>	 why not?
[20:57:24] <jackmcbarn>	 special pages in general can't be visible to lua for security reasons, and nobody has bothered to write a wrapper for that specific case yet
[20:57:32] <jackmcbarn>	 if you have a good use case, file a task on phabricator asking for it
[20:58:47] <auvajs>	 hm..
[21:00:18] <auvajs>	 jackmcbarn: what do you mean by good use case? I just want to generate a table with a list of pages where a template is used (on my wiki, not on wikipedia)
[21:00:48] <jackmcbarn>	 if it's just for display, then just transclude the special page
[21:03:18] <auvajs>	 that way I can't show the number of such pages, and format the table in a preferred way
[21:03:28] <auvajs>	 or show just some of them
[21:08:45] <jackmcbarn>	 that's an okay use case
[21:09:00] <jackmcbarn>	 so go ahead and file a task if you want
[21:09:47] <auvajs>	 ok, later
[22:33:56] <ksft>	 Why does "{{{{1x|1x}}}}" show up as "{1x}"?
[22:34:12] <ksft>	 where Template:1x is "{{{1}}}"
[22:43:54] <Platonides>	 ksft: it is taken as {{{1x|1x}}} between curly braces
[22:44:01] <Platonides>	 ie. parameter 1x, with default value 1x
[22:45:16] <ksft>	 the default parameter for 1x is "{1x}"?
[22:45:22] <Platonides>	 no
[22:45:27] <Platonides>	 it's 1x
[22:45:31] <Skizzerz>	 it's interpreted as { {{{1x|1x}}} }
[22:45:37] <Platonides>	 exactly
[22:45:41] <ksft>	 ah
[22:45:41] <Skizzerz>	 rather than {{ {{1x|1x}} }}
[22:46:16] <ksft>	 that parameter, {{{1x}}}, doesn't exist
[22:46:24] <ksft>	 why doesn't it show up as "{{{{1x}}}}"?
[22:46:38] <ksft>	 oh, nevermind
[22:47:04] <ksft>	 how are multiple pairs of curly braces interpreted generally?
[22:47:58] <ksft>	 Also, what, exactly, determines whether a template that doesn't exist shows up as a Template:whatever redlink or as "{{whatever}}"?
[22:48:28] <ksft>	 Is it just the presence of characters that can't be in page titles?
[23:00:09] <Platonides>	 ksft: {{{ wins over {{ 
[23:15:47] <ksft>	 Platonides: always?
[23:16:01] <ksft>	 what about "{{{{{foo}}}}}"?
[23:16:55] <ksft>	 does it always group from inside out with as many {{{...}}}s as possible, then a {{...}} if needed, then {...} if needed?
[23:17:19] <ksft>	 er, a {{...}} or a {...} if needed
[23:18:12] <ksft>	 where "{...}" is literal braces
[23:27:22] <Skizzerz>	 ksft: just add in spaces, iirc any leading/trailing whitespace is trimmed
[23:27:29] <Skizzerz>	 so you can do {{ {{foo}} }} and it'd work
[23:27:34] <Skizzerz>	 (like 80% sure)
[23:27:56] <Skizzerz>	 also { } isn't a thing
[23:33:17] <ksft>	 how does the grouping work by default?