[05:42:16] <slushpuppy>	 Hi, could someone point me in the right direction- I got an error when saving a page using VisualEditor. "The intoken parameter has been deprecated." "Invalid token"
[05:51:58] <Krenair>	 probably mismatching versions of VE and MW
[06:02:51] <slushpuppy>	 Krenair, downloaded it from the extension page, MW is 1.6.3
[06:03:43] <Krenair>	 MW is 1.6.3? Wow!
[06:04:14] <Krenair>	 Released April 10, 2006
[06:04:22] <slushpuppy>	 1.63*
[06:04:31] <slushpuppy>	 wait
[06:04:32] <slushpuppy>	 my bad
[06:04:45] <Krenair>	 unfortunately that was years before the VE extension even started
[06:04:55] <Krenair>	 1.63 doesn't exist, we're at 1.27 now
[06:04:57] <slushpuppy>	 1.26*
[06:05:07] <Glaisher>	 :o
[06:05:27] <Krenair>	 MW 1.26.3?
[06:05:39] <slushpuppy>	 yup
[06:05:52] <slushpuppy>	 i am pretty sure i can jump into the source and patch it out myself..
[06:05:59] <Krenair>	 and which version of VE did you download?
[06:06:24] <slushpuppy>	 https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/VisualEditor-REL1_26-a733545.tar.gz
[06:06:46] <slushpuppy>	 action=query
[06:06:47] <slushpuppy>	 format=json
[06:06:47] <slushpuppy>	 meta=userinfo
[06:06:47] <slushpuppy>	 prop=info
[06:06:47] <slushpuppy>	 titles=Main+Page
[06:06:48] <slushpuppy>	 indexpageids=
[06:06:49] <slushpuppy>	 intoken=edit
[06:06:51] <Krenair>	 not the REL1_27 one?
[06:06:52] <slushpuppy>	 oops sorry
[06:06:55] <slushpuppy>	 no
[06:07:11] <Krenair>	 is your wiki public?
[06:07:12] <slushpuppy>	 i tried the 127 one, refused to work
[06:07:15] <slushpuppy>	 yeah
[06:07:21] <Krenair>	 wouldn't expect it to work
[06:07:22] <slushpuppy>	 can i drop u a pm?
[06:07:25] <Krenair>	 no
[06:07:32] <Krenair>	 unless you just want to link me to the wiki
[06:07:35] <slushpuppy>	 yes
[06:07:39] <Krenair>	 ok then
[06:07:52] <slushpuppy>	 just noticed it to u
[06:07:54] <Krenair>	 I saw
[06:08:22] <slushpuppy>	 unfortunately i can't really upgrade to 127 mw, there's this IPB extension i am using
[06:10:19] <Krenair>	 The actual error VE shows you when you try to save is "Permission denied"?
[06:10:45] <slushpuppy>	 Not all users have permission to save yet
[06:10:56] <slushpuppy>	 let me enable it
[06:10:58] <slushpuppy>	 give me asec
[06:12:07] <slushpuppy>	 Krenair, give it a shot
[06:12:49] <Krenair>	 now when I try to do anything I get redirected to login
[06:13:16] <slushpuppy>	 oh fuck 
[06:13:43] <slushpuppy>	 sorry, it's the ipb integration thing
[06:13:51] <slushpuppy>	 can I just give u a HAR dump?
[06:14:00] <slushpuppy>	 of what happens when I save the page
[06:14:03] <Krenair>	 ok
[06:18:06] <slushpuppy>	 basically it cycles POST->GET indefinitely
[06:22:44] <Krenair>	 not sure what's going on there
[06:23:02] <Krenair>	 the client requests a token, receives one, sends it back in the next request. but it says badtoken?
[06:23:27] <Krenair>	 what is this IPB integration thing exactly?
[06:23:37] <Krenair>	 does editing without VE work?
[06:23:59] <slushpuppy>	 let me try, hang on
[06:24:20] <slushpuppy>	 oh your right
[06:24:28] <slushpuppy>	 should have done that ages ago..
[06:24:31] <slushpuppy>	 "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in. "
[06:24:50] <Krenair>	 yeah
[06:24:54] <slushpuppy>	 so yeah, IPB integration fucks around with the session to maintain SSO between the ipb forums & MW
[06:25:03] <slushpuppy>	 it's kinda messy code
[06:25:06] <Krenair>	 you need to fix that first before trying VE
[06:25:12] <slushpuppy>	 Thanks Krenair 
[06:25:22] <Krenair>	 what version of MW was this IPB integration written for?
[06:25:45] <slushpuppy>	 i believe it was for 1.18..
[06:25:51] <slushpuppy>	 but i kinda hacked patched it
[06:26:00] <Krenair>	 sounds like it may need more work
[06:26:04] <Krenair>	 one thing to check though
[06:26:12] <Krenair>	 you tested this locally, but it fails on your server?
[06:26:38] <slushpuppy>	 no, my testing has always been on production
[06:27:05] <Krenair>	 so you just haven't got to testing editing yet
[06:27:09] <slushpuppy>	 yes
[06:27:17] <Krenair>	 okay in mediawiki that's a pretty important part
[06:27:20] <Krenair>	 :)
[06:27:22] <slushpuppy>	 :)
[06:27:26] <slushpuppy>	 does MW have some sort of SSO extension?
[06:28:07] <Krenair>	 CentralAuth is the most likely to work, given that we rely on it for the Wikimedia cluster
[06:28:38] <slushpuppy>	 Ok, i'll give that a shot
[06:28:41] <slushpuppy>	 Thanks again Krenair 
[06:28:47] <Krenair>	 for integrating with other MediaWiki sites only though
[06:28:48] <Krenair>	 OAuth can be used to allow the user to log into other sites based on their identity on the wiki
[06:29:02] <slushpuppy>	 noted
[06:32:26] <slushpuppy>	 Krenair, I believe Sessions are supported inside the User.php?
[06:32:37] <Krenair>	 more than that in the latest code
[06:32:50] <slushpuppy>	 ok
[06:38:31] <Krenair>	 dunno about 1_26
[06:38:48] <Krenair>	 never touched that code myself, only read parts of it recently
[06:40:24] <paras_020>	 Hey, I've installed git using command line "sudo apt-get install git" in linux mint. Now can anyone please tell how to open this(git)? Do I need to use git via linux terminal only? Actually I want to setup my username and email.
[06:41:36] <Krenair>	 you want #git. this is #mediawiki
[06:44:28] <paras_020>	 Oh..okay sorry
[06:57:33] <slushpuppy>	 man 3k lines in 1 file.. you guys should seriously consider namespacing xD
[08:37:13] <slushpuppy>	 Krenair, are you stil there?
[08:39:57] <p858snake>	 slushpuppy: we do, in modern maintained files
[08:40:07] <p858snake>	 and if its a extension, its up to the author
[08:40:43] <p858snake>	 although namespacing was only in the last one or two major releases for backwards compatibility
[08:42:35] <slushpuppy>	 p858snake, i was referring to the MW sources, but  implementation is rather sparse imo 
[08:43:55] <slushpuppy>	 I assume wikipedia is based off modified MW base?
[08:46:55] <p858snake>	 no it runs a pretty much stock standard mediawiki install
[08:47:07] <p858snake>	 sometimes there are hotpatches for security issues etc
[08:49:03] <he1kki>	 Is mediawiki going to do comeback in Ubuntu (16*) repositories in the future?
[08:49:19] <slushpuppy>	 interesting
[08:49:54] <slushpuppy>	 for a site as large as wikipedia, i assume there must be some advantage lumping 5k lines of code into 1 file?
[08:51:04] <p858snake>	 he1kki: I'm not sure why/when it was removed, but I'm guessing it was because no one is maintaining the package
[09:01:38] <he1kki>	 p858snake: that sounds a bit weird, as mediawiki is quite popular package. Now that I installed it manually I did miss preconfigured apache configurations etc.
[09:04:37] <he1kki>	 Just quessing, but now that mediawiki is composer packaged, could it make debian package maintenance easier, especially when updating old versions?
[09:08:13] <he1kki>	 also Juju Charms has Mediawiki as a showcase application in their front page @ https://jujucharms.com/. 
[09:09:34] <he1kki>	 though I don't know does juju charm help at all with repository packaging.
[09:13:25] <p858snake>	 he1kki: legoktm is currently working on the debian package
[09:13:40] <p858snake>	 there is a updated version in unstable atm from memory
[09:15:26] <he1kki>	 p858snake: That's good. One day I will be brave enough to build apt repository packages myself :)
[10:33:57] <slushpuppy>	 Hi, i just installed this extension https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PluggableAuth and it works.. but I am wondering how on earth does it implement groups
[10:34:11] <slushpuppy>	 how do I set certain groups/users to be mods/admins/etc
[11:06:01] <Nemo_bis>	 FOUC on https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page too :(
[11:06:14] <Nemo_bis>	 Vector has regressed for many wikis out there in recent releases
[12:03:05] <slushpuppy>	 Is there a way I can assign a group to a user on the fly?
[12:03:42] <slushpuppy>	 programmatically through an extension
[12:26:37] <Debra>	 slushpuppy: There's some autopromotion logic in MediaWiki core.
[12:26:39] <Debra>	 That might work.
[12:27:08] <Debra>	 slushpuppy: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutopromote
[12:30:11] <slushpuppy>	 Debra, I'll describe my problem, basically I am running an IPB forums and I would like to give edit rights only to certain groups
[12:30:22] <slushpuppy>	 the certain groups are defined by IPB
[12:30:50] <Debra>	 Are you familiar with cron?
[12:30:51] <slushpuppy>	 I successfully created a SSO between IPB and MW using the PluggableAuth extension
[12:30:55] <Debra>	 You could just script something to sync the two?
[12:30:56] <slushpuppy>	 very
[12:31:14] <Debra>	 That's less magical.
[12:31:29] <slushpuppy>	 something else I don't wish to depend on
[12:31:43] <slushpuppy>	 anyway I plan to release this as an extension
[12:31:56] <Debra>	 You want to make a new extension?
[12:32:04] <Debra>	 We have a boilerplate for that.
[12:32:04] <slushpuppy>	 already did
[12:32:05] <Debra>	 All right.
[12:32:16] <Debra>	 Congrats!
[12:32:20] <slushpuppy>	 and yes i do feel for users on shared hosting and what not
[12:32:26] <slushpuppy>	 i am 100% sure this can be done somehow
[12:32:41] <Debra>	 Sure.
[12:32:58] <Debra>	 I think if I were doing this, I would hook into the existing auto-promote system.
[12:33:05] <Debra>	 And add a condition from an extension.
[12:33:21] <slushpuppy>	 that is an idea
[12:33:23] <Debra>	 Like APCOND_IS_IPB_USER or something.
[12:33:38] <slushpuppy>	 it can also down for demotions i assume
[12:33:45] <slushpuppy>	 since it is just setting the group param
[12:33:47] <Debra>	 Hmmm.
[12:34:38] <Debra>	 There's also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutopromoteOnce I guess.
[12:35:26] <slushpuppy>	 so this autopromotion always runs when using the site, and it is generally called at the beginning?
[12:35:40] <slushpuppy>	 so lets say i got this wikicontributor dude whose access has been taken away
[12:36:04] <slushpuppy>	 he wouldn't be able to say.. edit a page before the demotion takes effect?
[12:36:20] <Debra>	 I'm not sure MediaWiki core has demotion logic.
[12:36:31] <slushpuppy>	 uhm
[12:36:33] <slushpuppy>	 ugh.
[12:37:23] <slushpuppy>	 Is there a onpermission hook or something?
[12:38:06] <Debra>	 Dunno.
[12:38:16] <slushpuppy>	 Hmm...
[12:38:29] <slushpuppy>	 I see this
[12:38:36] <slushpuppy>	 "Get a list of all available permissions." - Hooks::run( 'UserGetAllRights', [ &self::$mAllRights ] );
[12:38:40] <slushpuppy>	 I could inject into there..
[12:39:10] <slushpuppy>	 that is assuming get all user rights is always ran when ever the user loads the page
[12:41:08] <slushpuppy>	 whats the difference between implicit/explicit groups Debra 
[12:41:22] <slushpuppy>	 implicit or the opposite*
[12:41:36] <slushpuppy>	 ah implicit or effective*
[12:41:39] <Debra>	 Implicit groups are calculated on the fly.
[12:41:49] <Debra>	 And can't be manually added or removed from users.
[12:41:57] <Debra>	 Autoconfirmed is an implicit user group.
[12:42:01] <Debra>	 As is the "user" group.
[12:42:03] <Debra>	 And "*".
[12:42:13] <Debra>	 Explicit user groups can be manually added or removed from users.
[12:42:24] <Debra>	 Like "filemover" or "sysop".
[12:44:47] <slushpuppy>	 ic
[13:43:32] <abramelin_>	 Hello. Is it possible to assign labels to paragraphs or bullet points and link to them just like how one would link to headlines?
[13:43:48] <abramelin_>	 Or is there anything like the Purple Numbers extension that used to be available?
[13:44:33] <abramelin_>	 And also, is it possible to categorize paragraphs?
[16:24:25] <Nemo_bis>	 For https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142938 I should use https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Structured_logging right?