[00:29:31] <mindcrimes>	 hi
[00:30:11] <mindcrimes>	 i installed mediawiki 1.27.0 but whenever i try to install by going to mw-config/index.php i get a blank page
[00:30:14] <mindcrimes>	 any ideas?
[00:30:57] <mindcrimes>	 nvm found the error
[01:24:57] <hotfilipina25>	 hi
[01:25:32] <Cameron11598>	 Hello
[01:26:34] <mindcrimes>	 hi
[01:26:40] <hotfilipina25>	 add me  ppiahya  $kype name  25f phils i can do hot priavte show
[01:30:36] <hotfilipina25>	 hi
[01:32:37] <hotfilipina25>	    HI 25 woman  FRM PHILLIPINES,I CAN DO HOT PRIVATE SHOW,FINGERING PUSSY/ASS,AND DO ALL U WANT TELL U CUM,INTERESTED?.,,ADD ME  ppiahya   $.K.Y.P.E NAME AND  velindazzz  Y.A.H.O.O ID...paymnts/P.A.Y.P.A.L
[01:33:04] <Cameron11598>	 !ops hotfilipina25
[01:33:33] <Cameron11598>	 Thanks
[01:37:47] <AlexZ>	 That's a new low for trolling.
[01:42:44] <Cameron11598>	 AlexZ: Can you honestly say you are surprised?
[01:48:06] <AlexZ>	 Cameron11598: Eh.. not really lol, though I'll give them credit for uniqueness.
[01:48:42] <Cameron11598>	 That was pretty unique they get a point for that one
[02:14:55] <comets>	 ooh private show.. O_________O
[07:58:33] <kaartic>	 logout
[13:16:51] <kjetilho>	 hi!  I have a file in plain text (a form), which I want to transclude (as <pre> or similar) inside a wiki article.  is this possible?
[13:18:18] <kjetilho>	 doesn't seem to make any difference if I use [[Media:Form.txt]] or {{Media:Form.txt}}
[13:18:37] <Reedy>	 You can't transclude text file contents AFAIK
[13:18:47] <Reedy>	 Not like that, anyway
[13:19:08] <kjetilho>	 ok.  can I make a portion of an article downloadable?
[13:19:41] <kjetilho>	 I mean, convenient for the user to save to file.
[13:37:44] <Seddon>	 Can lua pull javascript variables?
[13:47:28] <Seddon>	 Anybody?
[13:47:42] <Yaron>	 Seddon: I'm not an expert in this, but I doubt it.
[13:48:23] <Yaron>	 It's a strictly server-side process.
[13:51:17] <Seddon>	 It seems to be able to run some thing things within the client: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:GetIP
[13:52:40] <Yaron>	 That's not client-side, I don't think - it's just accessing a URL from the server.
[13:53:05] <Reedy>	 I'd agree
[13:53:13] <Reedy>	 Seddon: What are you trying to do?
[13:54:16] <Seddon>	 Reedy: I want the ability to use geolocation in templates
[13:54:53] <Reedy>	 geolocation of a user?
[13:55:05] <Reedy>	 showing their location?
[13:55:28] <Seddon>	 Reedy: or being able to modify content in a template based on their location
[13:56:43] <Reedy>	 lua runs server side...
[13:56:45] <Reedy>	 js runs client side
[13:56:55] <Reedy>	 you'd need to have their ip, servers side, to do the geoip lookup
[14:00:34] <Yaron>	 I would think you could do it with an extension, which defines a parser function that calls JS code.
[14:01:57] <Seddon>	 That sounds like more hard work than I had hoped..
[14:02:37] <Reedy>	 Seddon: Speak to someone like hoo or anomie when they're about
[14:05:27] <anomie>	 Seddon: Accessing information about the current user is intentionally not supported in Scribunto to prevent cache fragmentation; accessing their language with the int: hack is bad enough. You'll need to do whatever it is you're trying to do with client-side JS in a script or gadget.
[14:07:40] <Seddon>	 anomie: understood. Danke schone. Reedy & Yaron thanks for your help too :) 
[14:09:11] <Seddon>	 Seems like I need to come at it from the opposite direction with CN
[14:27:23] <kjetilho>	 hmm.  when I do [[File:Some-file.txt|explanatory text]], the "explanatory text" is ignored *if* Some-file.txt exists, it seems?
[14:27:52] <kjetilho>	 [[Media:Some-file.txt|explanatory text]] works ...
[14:33:07] <kjetilho>	 aha, [[:File:Some-file.txt|explanatory text]] works.
[14:33:15] <Reedy>	 o_0
[14:33:28] <Reedy>	 it should be file:|options|caption
[14:46:19] <abramelin>	 Hello. I would like to create outlines similar to those made in org-mode, where each node in a tree can dynamically be collapsed / expanded, and nodes can easily be linked to and categorized. Is there such a feature?
[14:57:34] <MatmaRex>	 abramelin: not quite, but you can at least create collapsible elements easily. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements#jQuery.makeCollapsible
[17:03:29] <Nemo_bis>	 Vulpix: thanks, nice find https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127903#2553805
[17:04:21] <Vulpix>	 yeah, I'm also annoyed by workboards
[17:06:07] <Vulpix>	 as well as annoyed that default search sorts/groups by priority and not creation date
[17:14:54] <Nemo_bis>	 True. I have to change that every time
[17:17:24] <Vulpix>	 it's like Phabricator is only for the "I'm a developer assigned to a project, let me focus on my tasks" role
[17:17:48] <slushpuppeh>	 Has anyone here used the following extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PluggableAuth
[17:18:26] <Vulpix>	 it completely dismisses other roles like people searching for existing bugs before reporting a new one, or external people watching / triaging tasks of a project
[17:24:34] <slushpuppeh>	 is there a way to tell if an extension would work for 1.27 over 1.26?
[17:27:40] <slushpuppeh>	 ah no it doesn't
[17:27:40] <slushpuppeh>	 :(
[17:28:56] <slushpuppeh>	 to downgrade my MW installation, i can just copy over and update accordingly yeah?
[17:30:19] <Vulpix>	 slushpuppeh: downgrading is not supported. If you run update.php, it makes changes to the database structure that can make it incompatible with previous versions, and running update.php again on a previous version can lead to data loss
[17:31:47] <Vulpix>	 that doesn't happen ofthen, but imagine if an update renames a table/column, going to an earlier version could re-create the old one but not move the existing content that was already migrated to the new
[17:32:38] <Vulpix>	 you can restore a database backup from before the upgrade, though. That's why you should take backups before upgrading
[17:33:22] <slushpuppeh>	 oh no worries, fresh install ;p
[17:33:35] <slushpuppeh>	 i guess i'll just delete everything and start over
[17:33:53] <Vulpix>	 yeah
[17:58:13] <burfo>	 Question on caching... I have a MW site running 1.20 (old...but going to 1.27 soon); $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_NONE but I'm seeing 10+GB/day of data growth in DB table objectcache.  Is that expected?  If it is, should I write a script to purge the expired table entries because it's not purging itself?
[18:01:41] <Vulpix>	 10GB/day? uh, something must be terribly broken... unless your wiki is as big as the English Wikipedia
[18:03:56] <burfo>	 Most of the table entries seem to be ParserOutput cache (based on "pcache:idhash" in it)
[18:06:00] <burfo>	 Though I *thought* that CACHE_NONE meant it wouldn't write into 'objectcache'.  Is that an incorrect assumption?
[18:10:16] <slushpuppeh>	 1.27 is kinda unusable if you are heavily dependent on extension
[18:21:33] <MaxSem>	 burfo, some parts have their own settings, for example ResourceLoader forces CACHE_ANYTHING
[18:21:46] <MaxSem>	 ah, parser cache
[18:21:48] <burfo>	 I used to have $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_ACCEL with APC caching and at that time table objectcache was tiny.  Since changing to CACHE_NONE the table sees this insane growth from the ParserOutput caching.
[18:28:46] <Trela>	 I just realized all the Phabricator avatar placeholders are Pokemon.
[18:35:10] <Vulpix>	 burfo: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgParserCacheType is what controls the parser cache, it's independent of $wgMainCacheType
[18:35:33] <burfo>	 Vulpix but it says there that it inherits wgMainCacheType (unless that wasn't true for 1.20, perhaps)
[18:38:00] <Vulpix>	 it seems it's not the case, maybe that documentation is outdated pre-1.20!
[18:38:22] <burfo>	 Quite possible :)
[18:39:08] <burfo>	 And I imagine disabling parser cache would slow down page views quite a bit, eh?
[18:40:22] <Vulpix>	 yes, in general, because each page view would need to re-parse the wikitext to generate the HTML that's being presented to users
[18:41:26] <Vulpix>	 you can mitigate it by using a frontend cache, or even https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:File_cache for not logged-in users
[18:43:38] <Vulpix>	 anyway, the parser cache shouldn't grow that big unless pages are constantly being edited, worse if edits are on templates transcluded on many pages, pages linked to other pages being removed/created, etc
[18:44:45] <Vulpix>	 maybe an extension is invalidating the cache of every page every time, causing pages to be cached and then the cache being invalid...
[18:45:50] <burfo>	 Ok so it's not just one cache entry (table row) per page?
[18:48:40] <Vulpix>	 every page can have several parser cache entries depending on user preferences. For example, one for every user-language, for having or not "section edit links", and maybe even for having or not visible table of contents
[18:49:32] <Vulpix>	 also, I think old entries aren't removed from that cache automatically. At least https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Objectcache_table doesn't clarify that
[18:51:57] <burfo>	 My wiki site has 280,000 total pages and averages 700-1000 edits/day.  There are 904,000 entries in objectcache but NONE of them have a <NOW expiration time...so maybe it is handling it.  (I did purge the table 72 hours ago)
[23:09:47] <Sophivorus>	 hi!
[23:10:26] <Sophivorus>	 im submitting changes to a repo where I have +2 rights
[23:10:40] <Sophivorus>	 but the changes i self-review with +2 are not getting merged
[23:10:47] <Sophivorus>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/304168/
[23:10:52] <Sophivorus>	 anyone knows why ?
[23:11:08] <Reedy>	 You need to V+2 it
[23:11:16] <Reedy>	 If jenkins isn't running tests etc for you
[23:11:22] <Sophivorus>	 i think i did
[23:11:33] <Sophivorus>	 jenkins isnt acting on the repo at all, that may be it
[23:11:35] <Reedy>	 you still need to click submit
[23:12:06] <Sophivorus>	 where is the submit button??
[23:12:09] <Sophivorus>	 i cant find it ....
[23:13:38] <Sophivorus>	 im really looking, believe me
[23:16:32] <Reedy>	 Change 304168 - Ready to Submit
[23:17:44] <Sophivorus>	 @Reedy: i can see that, but i cant click on it .. if i click on the change number, the page reloads
[23:18:00] <Reedy>	 Should be a blue button at the top somewhere
[23:19:37] <Sophivorus>	 closest thing is the Reply button, that shows the comment form, and a button to post the comment, but no Submit button even if i set +2 in Code-review and Verified
[23:19:42] <Sophivorus>	 will try another browser ...
[23:20:41] <Reedy>	 Sometimes logging out and in again helps if it's new permissions
[23:23:31] <Reedy>	 Sophivorus: 
[23:23:31] <Reedy>	 Oh
[23:23:32] <Reedy>	 Wait
[23:23:40] <Reedy>	 Is that the last change in a chain/
[23:23:50] <Sophivorus>	 its the first, actually ..
[23:23:58] <Sophivorus>	 first in time
[23:26:44] <Sophivorus>	 @Reedy: the second change in the chain had a "conflict" mark, so i abandoned
[23:26:49] <Sophivorus>	 i still cannot merge though ..
[23:27:02] <Reedy>	 it's only a problem if changes that one depends on...
[23:29:14] <Reedy>	 I don't have rights on the repo... So it's not gonna show me the submit etc
[23:31:05] <Sophivorus>	 @Reedy: Strategy should be Merge if necessary?
[23:31:16] <Reedy>	 That won't affect it
[23:31:22] <Reedy>	 It'd shout at you if rebase was needed
[23:31:39] <Sophivorus>	 can i give you access to the repo ?
[23:31:55] <Sophivorus>	 merge rights on the repo, i mean
[23:32:48] <Reedy>	 Not sure if gerrit will like you
[23:33:06] <Sophivorus>	 i hate gerrit
[23:34:00] <Sophivorus>	 i'll abandon the changes and try again from zero
[23:34:33] <Reedy>	 I don't think that's necessary
[23:34:45] <Sophivorus>	 im out of ideas ..
[23:36:19] <Reedy>	 I've just poked one of the gerrit guys to look at it
[23:36:27] <Sophivorus>	 thanks
[23:36:28] <Sophivorus>	 https://s3.postimg.io/73gxfgaip/Screen_Shot_2016_08_15_at_8_23_27_PM.png
[23:36:38] <Sophivorus>	 that's what i see, no Submit button
[23:37:10] <Reedy>	 Sophivorus: bad inheritence it seems
[23:37:12] <Reedy>	 He's fixing it
[23:37:20] <Sophivorus>	 thanks
[23:37:24] <Reedy>	 Submit wouldn't show on there
[23:37:31] <Reedy>	 it'd be on the main screen
[23:40:08] <Sophivorus>	 https://s3.postimg.org/74knbsvab/Screen_Shot_2016_08_15_at_8_39_10_PM.png
[23:43:17] <Reedy>	 Sophivorus: refresh and try again?
[23:43:29] <Reedy>	 You may need to log out and in again if permissions are being sucky
[23:44:54] <Sophivorus>	 @Reedy: No luck, tried everything
[23:45:22] <Reedy>	 When?
[23:47:06] <Sophivorus>	 just now, when you said
[23:54:59] <Reedy>	 Sophivorus: try again again?
[23:55:10] <Sophivorus>	 ok
[23:55:49] <Sophivorus>	 yes!
[23:55:51] <Sophivorus>	 merged :-)
[23:55:55] <Sophivorus>	 thanks !!
[23:56:00] <Reedy>	 np