[01:19:26] <cccd2s>	 h
[07:25:43] <Eclaire>	 Meep? Anyone awake that knows how to do parser functions?
[08:23:07] <Xatenev>	 Heya
[08:23:24] <Xatenev>	 I got a mediawiki and should create an area where people can download fields after filling in a form
[08:23:30] <Xatenev>	 is there some useable extension for me for that?
[08:30:26] <Xatenev>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files/de
[08:30:35] <Xatenev>	 I dont got "Upload file in the left sidebar
[08:30:39] <Xatenev>	 What could be the issue ofr that?
[08:31:17] <p858snake|_>	 !uploading | Xatenev
[08:31:17] <wm-bot>	 There is no such key, you probably want to try: !install, !uploadbyurl, 
[08:31:22] <p858snake|_>	 !upload | Xatenev
[08:31:22] <wm-bot>	 Xatenev: File uploads are disabled by default, set $wgEnableUploads=true; to enable it. See <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files.
[08:32:40] <Xatenev>	 Thanks man
[08:33:01] <Xatenev>	 Sorry im totally noob with mediawiki and gotta finish something real quick..
[08:33:25] <Xatenev>	 Can I only show some content when logged in? like.. is there a tag [ifLoggedIn] <filelist> [/ifLoggedIn]
[08:39:52] <p858snake|_>	 !acl | Xatenev
[08:39:52] <wm-bot>	 Xatenev: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[09:09:05] <slushpuppy>	 Is the UserEffectiveGroups depreciated in 1.27?
[09:09:11] <slushpuppy>	 UserEffectiveGroups hook&
[09:33:26] <pandem>	 Xatenev: you can choose to have a completely private wiki
[09:39:07] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 slushpuppy: no, but it's somewhat broken. why do you ask?
[09:41:27] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 slushpuppy: here's the ticket https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142295#2530412
[09:41:41] <slushpuppy>	 DanielK_WMDE_, I thought it was removed
[09:41:50] <slushpuppy>	 but turns out it was an invalid link
[09:42:15] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 I see it being called in User::getEffectiveGroups
[09:42:17] <slushpuppy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User.php <-- click on 1.27
[09:42:56] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 slushpuppy: yea, the file was moved...
[09:43:11] <slushpuppy>	 yeah figured as much after searching the wiki
[09:43:13] <slushpuppy>	 github*
[09:43:13] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/REL1_27/includes/user/User.php
[09:43:54] <slushpuppy>	 also DanielK_WMDE_, would u have any insights as to how to define an extension that overwrites an abstract class file of another extension?
[09:44:03] <slushpuppy>	 define an extension.json*
[09:44:09] <slushpuppy>	 overloads*
[09:44:59] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 slushpuppy: what do you mean by "overwrites an abstract class"?
[09:45:06] * DanielK_WMDE_ fixed the link
[09:45:15] <slushpuppy>	 oh i was about to fix the link
[09:45:20] <slushpuppy>	 thanks tho
[09:45:29] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 you usually extend an abstract class. you don't overwrite it...
[09:45:59] <slushpuppy>	 i was meant to say overload
[09:46:10] <slushpuppy>	 1 second
[09:46:53] <slushpuppy>	 There's this 1.27 extension: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/299107/ - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/299107/3/extension.json 
[09:47:05] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 overloading is something you do with methods, and php doesn't support it. it does support overriding though http://beginnersbook.com/2014/01/difference-between-method-overloading-and-overriding-in-java/
[09:47:18] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 nither applies to classes.
[09:47:19] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 anyway
[09:47:43] <slushpuppy>	 The relevant class name is PluggableAuth which I am suppose to define myself
[09:47:45] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 slushpuppy: you don't need to do anything in your extension.json to be able to access classes from another extension.
[09:48:04] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 there is currently no mechanism to declare dependencies between extensions.
[09:48:27] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 you should probably have an if ( class_exists( ... ) ) somewhere to check and give a meaningful error
[09:52:02] <slushpuppy>	 DanielK_WMDE_, So using something similar to this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSessionProviders wouldn't work I assume
[09:52:13] <slushpuppy>	 (I tried it, didn't work)
[09:52:56] <slushpuppy>	 {"PluggableAuth":{ "MyCustomPluggableAuth":{class: "MyCustomPluggableAuth"}}}
[09:53:07] <slushpuppy>	 along the lines of that
[09:59:47] <Xatenev>	 How do I get the file path to an uploaded file?
[09:59:53] <Xatenev>	 (not URL - directory path)
[10:02:14] <Xatenev>	 Got it - wfFindFile
[14:01:31] <alex1a>	 hello, what is the simplest way to backup your mediawiki data and then restore ? i have phpmyadmin btw
[14:16:46] <andre__>	 alex1a, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Restoring_a_wiki_from_backup
[14:54:38] <slushpuppy>	 I am looking at this page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:VisualEditor/User_guide and my visualeditor doesn't even have half the things listed there
[14:54:41] <slushpuppy>	 what is going on :o
[14:54:46] <slushpuppy>	 1.27
[14:55:42] <Krenair>	 what's missing slushpuppy?
[14:55:57] <Krenair>	 Citation stuff relies upon other extensions
[14:56:05] <Krenair>	 as does a lot of stuff in the insert menu
[14:56:41] <slushpuppy>	 ah
[14:56:47] <slushpuppy>	 where can i find such extensions?
[14:57:00] <slushpuppy>	 Krenair, yeah citation, math formulas 
[14:57:14] <Krenair>	 Extension:Math for math formulae
[14:57:19] <slushpuppy>	 oh gotcha
[14:57:24] <Krenair>	 Extension:Cite and Extension:Citoid for citation stuff
[14:57:29] <Krenair>	 might need some on-wiki config to  show up
[14:57:41] <slushpuppy>	 also I assume that popular pages and random pages are extensions as well yeah
[14:57:58] <Krenair>	 Special:PopularPages and Special:RandomPage ?
[14:58:58] <slushpuppy>	 those that appear in the front page
[14:59:55] <Krenair>	 don't know what you're talking about
[15:00:49] <slushpuppy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page <- oops it's called featured article
[15:19:28] <Krenair>	 slushpuppy, featured articles are manually curated afaikk
[15:19:31] <Krenair>	 afaik*
[16:33:57] <slushpuppy>	 is there something wrong with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateData
[16:34:08] <slushpuppy>	 the edit tab doesn't show up for MW 1.27
[16:53:13] <slushpuppy>	 o nvm
[16:53:15] <slushpuppy>	 i see it
[16:53:15] <slushpuppy>	 hehe
[18:55:37] <varnent>	 anyone around who is a whiz on MW skin structure? :)
[21:10:10] <i-make-robots>	 hi!  I just upgraded my mediawiki.  I can see the page titles and click "random page", but all the page content is missing.  hint, please?
[21:11:05] <i-make-robots>	 I have seen https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Page_content_missing_after_moving_a_wiki_from_Linux_to_Windows/reply
[21:18:14] <MaxSem>	 What MW/PHP versions? Anything in error log with E_ALL?
[21:20:33] <i-make-robots>	 latest mw, php 5.5.37
[21:20:58] <i-make-robots>	 nothing in /var/log/apache2/error.log
[21:21:20] <i-make-robots>	 when i try to maintenance/importImages.php i get a warning that php doesn't have xml or mbstring installed.
[21:34:28] <i-make-robots>	 i'm being told I can't have mbstring or xml unless I do something drastic, like upgrade ubuntu from 14.04 to 16.04, which cost me two days the last time I did it.
[22:13:28] <i-make-robots>	 my mediawiki install is not showing page contents.  google hasn't helped.  what am i doing wrong, please?
[22:16:34] <i-make-robots>	 also when i run "php5 maintenance/importImages.php /home/droyer/images/ --extensions=jpg,JPG" I get "Function: BotPassword::removeAllPasswordsForCentralId, Error: 1146 Table 'wiki.bot_passwords' doesn't exist (localhost)"
[22:31:12] <Zachariah>	 Good afternoon! I have a question on a certain possible function and weather it exists on MediaWiki. 
[22:33:11] <Zachariah>	 If anyone is avaliable to answer said question that would be great. 
[22:39:36] <Dereckson>	 Hi Zachariah 
[22:39:48] <Zachariah>	 Hi Dereckson. 
[22:40:00] <Dereckson>	 We're not great telepath, it would help if you explain us the function.
[22:40:21] <Zachariah>	 sorry :P doing a couple things at once. 
[22:41:18] <Zachariah>	 I am a admin of a wiki that is hosted through MediaWiki and I was wandering, is it possible to delay edits. Like make the edit but set it to update at a later date?
[22:41:52] <Dereckson>	 i-make-robots: you probably need to upgrade database schema, you can do that with php5 maintenance/update.php
[22:42:02] <MaxSem>	 i-make-robots, I wonder how you managed to upgrade it, then. the updater is supposed to barf at missing extensions (and MW isn't supposed to be working without them, especially mbstring)
[22:42:06] <Dereckson>	 i-make-robots: you'll get new datbase schema changes
[22:44:20] <Dereckson>	 Zachariah: as far as I know, delayed edits directly at UI level aren't possible, you can workaround using the API, and an external tool to schedule it
[22:44:35] <Dereckson>	 What's the problem you're trying to solve with delayed edits?
[22:45:20] <Dereckson>	 Another solution implemented on Wikipedia is to have subpages for days or months, and include the subpage of current day/month
[22:45:33] <Zachariah>	 not really a problem. This specific wiki is for a big game and we are looking at maybe delaying edits until a specific update goes live on the game.
[22:45:42] <Dereckson>	 On Wikipedia, that works awfully, as that's heavily cached, but on a smaller wiki, that will be quickly refreshed
[22:45:56] <i-make-robots>	 i didn't know about upgrade.php until after.
[22:46:10] <Zachariah>	 yeah I didn't think there would be an easy way to do it that works well.
[22:46:15] <i-make-robots>	 which i have run, and now wfLoadSkins() produces a fatal error.
[22:46:18] <Dereckson>	 i-make-robots: update.php
[22:46:25] <i-make-robots>	 that's the one
[22:47:22] <i-make-robots>	 is the path for the install coded in the database somewhere?  Every time I click a link it tries to take me to the url of the old pre-upgrade installation.
[22:47:35] <Dereckson>	 Zachariah: with parser functions or lua code you can add a condition if <current date> => <some arbitrary date> then <display A> else <display B>
[22:48:03] <i-make-robots>	 i don't see it in LocalSettings...
[22:48:28] <Zachariah>	 Thank you Dereckson, we may try that. I appreciate the help. 
[22:48:44] <Dereckson>	 Zachariah: that's for example how fr.wikipedia.org does for deletion requests to display a banner ready to be closed when 14 days have been elapsed
[22:49:26] <Zachariah>	 hmm ok thank you
[22:51:44] <i-make-robots>	 uh oh... "[6cc429a9] 2016-08-19 22:43:09: Fatal exception of type MWException"
[22:52:10] <i-make-robots>	 http://www.reverb-marketing.com/wiki2/index.php/Main_Page
[22:56:00] <i-make-robots>	 please, anyone know why this is happening?
[22:56:48] <Dereckson>	 yes, follow the instructions at "If you have just upgraded MediaWiki"
[22:57:01] <Dereckson>	 you probably only want wfLoadSkin( 'Vector' );
[22:57:10] <i-make-robots>	 I did that
[22:57:14] <i-make-robots>	 it's what caused the exception
[22:57:38] <Dereckson>	 cd skins/Vector
[22:57:40] <Dereckson>	 composer install
[22:57:53] <Dereckson>	 vector ha some dependencies too
[23:00:31] <i-make-robots>	 what is composer?
[23:00:59] <i-make-robots>	 it's not in ubuntu afaik
[23:01:27] <Dereckson>	 It's a package manager for PHP
[23:01:58] <Dereckson>	 https://getcomposer.org/download/
[23:04:39] <i-make-robots>	 followed their instructions.  composer doesn't run when i try your previous "composer install" command.
[23:05:16] <i-make-robots>	 nm
[23:05:25] <i-make-robots>	 got it running.  says "do not run as root!" and KEEPS GOING.
[23:13:10] <i-make-robots>	 squizlabs/php_codesniffer 2.5.1 requires ext-xmlwriter   oh here we go again.
[23:14:26] <i-make-robots>	 i'm sure you ladies and gentlmen are doing a great job making mediawiki work.  I must have got the unlucky install, because my ubuntu 12.04 has been sick ever since I tried to upgrade MW.  all just so I could bring in the pictures from another mediawiki to this one.
[23:14:48] <i-make-robots>	 the automated composer message about how to fix extensions is giving really bad advice that doesn't apply to ubuntu.
[23:16:11] <Dereckson>	 you don't need the codesniffer if you aren't going to develop the code of the Vector skin
[23:16:20] <Dereckson>	 so you can try composer install --no-dev
[23:18:39] <Dereckson>	 i-make-robots: when you say "I must have got the unlucky install", how do you install/upgrade MediaWiki by the way?
[23:22:16] <i-make-robots>	 i give up!  it's 5pm.  I'll try again monday.  three days of pain, i need a break.
[23:22:24] <i-make-robots>	 thank you for your help, I hope you have a nice weekend.
[23:25:01] <pigiman>	 Hey, I am trying to get the images of all the supplied titles, hoping to get them from the English website. I am doing this call: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&format=json&uselang=user&prop=imageinfo&list=&meta=&indexpageids=1&iwurl=1&titles=Vulpes+vulpes%7CAcer_negundo%7CIsrael&generator=images&redirects=1&utf8=1&formatversion=2&iiprop=timestamp%7Cuser%7Curl%7Cextmetadata%7Cmetadata but this way I 
[23:55:42] <pigiman>	 Ok there are 2 options to solve this problem, both require 2 requests instead of 1: 1. Get all images with page ids (e.g: /w/api.php?action=query&format=json&uselang=user&prop=images&list=&meta=&indexpageids=1&iwurl=1&titles=Vulpes+vulpes%7CAcer_negundo%7CIsrael&redirects=1&utf8=1&formatversion=2&imlimit=50); 2. Use a generator once with images and then with getallusage. 
[23:56:02] <pigiman>	 Would be happy to hear about a 1 request solution though, 10x :)