[01:54:30] <PuppyKun>	 Hi all maybe someone could help me here (please ping replies). VisualEditor on spiral.wiki and espiral.org (both hosted by miraheze.org) appears to only show the edit source for anon users and I'm not sure why.
[01:55:18] <PuppyKun>	 var_dump'd some things in eval.php to check our config.. It appears that everything looks right except for the default user options.. 'visualeditor-enable' is set to "int(1)" but 'visualeditor-editor' is set to "string(8)" / "wikitext"
[01:55:49] <PuppyKun>	 legoktm: also hi how are you :D 
[02:27:36] <Debra>	 VisualEditorUseSingleEditTab maybe? Though that seems unlikely.
[02:27:51] <Debra>	 There's also VisualEditorSecondaryTabs.
[02:27:58] <Debra>	 And VisualEditorAvailableNamespaces.
[02:28:08] <Debra>	 And VisualEditorDefault.
[02:28:17] <Debra>	 And VisualEditorDisableForAnons.
[02:28:58] <Debra>	 PuppyKun: Not sure how many of these are in the extension and how many are specific to Wikimedia wikis.
[02:30:28] <PuppyKun>	 I believe those are all in the extension. I read the mediawiki extension page. Disable for anons is false (default)
[02:30:53] <PuppyKun>	 VisualEditorDefault and Namespaces are both true I believe. Single edit tab is true
[02:30:54] <Debra>	 So you set that?
[02:31:03] <Debra>	 Can you pastebin your config settings?
[02:31:07] <Debra>	 That relate to VisualEditor.
[02:31:13] <Krenair>	 PuppyKun, your default 'visualeditor-editor' preference is 'wikitext'
[02:31:31] <Debra>	 DefaultOptions?
[02:31:35] <Krenair>	 something like that
[02:31:44] <Krenair>	 For anonymous users to get to VE with that, they have to open the source editor and switch
[02:31:48] <Debra>	 !e VisualEditor
[02:31:48] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor
[02:31:53] <PuppyKun>	 Krenair: yeah I didn't see that mentioned on the extension page.. Since its string based I don't know what to change it to
[02:32:09] <Debra>	 $wgDefaultUserOptions['visualeditor-enable'] = 1;
[02:32:15] <PuppyKun>	 I only saw one user option on the extension page unless I missed something
[02:32:15] <Krenair>	 You could change the default "visualeditor-tabs" to 'multi-tab'
[02:32:23] <Debra>	 Under "// Enable by default for everybody"?
[02:32:25] <Krenair>	 If you want both tabs by default instead of remember-last
[02:32:38] * Debra lets Krenair answer.
[02:32:41] <PuppyKun>	 Krenair: we have singleedittab set
[02:33:04] <Debra>	 PuppyKun: I'm not sure it's clear what you want to change.
[02:33:15] <Debra>	 You want two tabs for anons?
[02:33:18] <Krenair>	 It's not clear what you're trying to achieve.
[02:33:34] <Debra>	 Though VisualEditor config is also bloated. Good grief.
[02:33:41] <PuppyKun>	 Sorry. I'm trying to get it so that visual editor is the default tab for anons
[02:33:49] <Krenair>	 Debra, yes, it's grown to be configurable in many different ways
[02:33:51] <Debra>	 With a single tab?
[02:33:56] <PuppyKun>	 Yes
[02:34:10] <PuppyKun>	 The single tab works (when logged in) just for anon users it shows source editor
[02:34:10] <Debra>	 I think the single tab asks you?
[02:34:21] <Debra>	 I thought the point of the single tab was that it asks you.
[02:34:26] <Debra>	 And remembers your last option?
[02:34:27] <Debra>	 Or something.
[02:34:28] <PuppyKun>	 Except for anon I don't think it remembers ..
[02:34:40] <PuppyKun>	 Idk how it could. Never looks like it for me
[02:34:53] <PuppyKun>	 When I'm logged in it works fine, but the user request anon default
[02:35:09] <Debra>	 So if you open the source editor, switch to VisualEditor, it doesn't remember when you click edit again?
[02:35:10] <Krenair>	 PuppyKun, so change the default 'visualeditor-editor' to 'visualeditor'?
[02:35:12] <bd808>	 I *think* it uses localstorage or a cookie...
[02:35:56] <Krenair>	 A cookie, bd808 
[02:36:04] <bd808>	 *nod*
[02:42:34] <PuppyKun>	 Krenair: MirahezeGitHub> [mw-config] NDKilla pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/via17
[02:42:36] <PuppyKun>	 Fixed :D
[02:42:46] <PuppyKun>	 well.. jankily.. XD
[02:43:05] <PuppyKun>	 I feel like that should probably be another variable, but for now that works and (for now) only affects the wikis that want it actually
[02:50:57] <Debra>	 PuppyKun: You'll make sure that gets documented on mediawiki.org? :-)
[08:23:26] <PJain>	 Hi! How can I be a mentor for an outreachy project under MediaWiki?
[08:28:12] <legoktm>	 PJain: You want to mentor a project? Mentors are supposed to be experienced community members
[08:28:49] <PJain>	 legoktm: I have contributed as a GSOC student for debian earlier. I am looking to be a mentor though I haven't worked with mediawiki in past
[08:29:09] <PJain>	 If not mentor, is there any program like GSOC, in which I contribute to mediawiki as a student
[08:31:24] <legoktm>	 You could be an outreachy intern?
[08:31:42] <PJain>	 It is open for women from India not males.
[08:39:11] <legoktm>	 well, we do GSoC in the summer. but if you want to contribute to MW, I'd suggest just doing it without any program
[08:39:20] <legoktm>	 there's plenty of stuff to do
[08:39:24] <legoktm>	 !hack
[08:39:24] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Do_not_hack_MediaWiki_core
[08:39:27] <legoktm>	 er
[08:39:36] <andre__>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker  ?
[08:39:43] <legoktm>	 ^ yeah that :P
[08:39:58] * legoktm sleep, zzzz
[08:40:01] * andre__ nitpicking: To be exact, Outreachy is open for folks who don't identify as male, and not only to women :)
[08:52:07] <PJain>	 Thanks for sharing.
[08:52:08] <PJain>	 :)
[09:24:21] <sarahjb>	 How do I change a username on TFD Online?
[12:32:01] <stresstest>	 Hi everybody! I wanted to ask you if there's any way to simulate a stress test (about 20-30 requests at the same time) to check the peformance of my mediawiki installation?
[12:37:02] <Reedy>	 you can use something like the siege tool (non MW specific)
[12:48:19] <stresstest>	 thanks! I'll try that :)
[13:02:54] <stresstest>	 @Reedy could you help me again? :/
[13:06:28] <stresstest>	 I ran a benchmark and a load test (50 users) pointing to my wiki. The result was 100% availability. Does that mean that I can assume it will endure several users creating and editing pages at the same time?
[13:10:38] <Reedy>	 Nope
[13:10:43] <Reedy>	 Depends what pages you made it load etc
[13:11:10] <Alphos>	 and what kind of request you sent :p
[13:12:16] <stresstest>	 siege -b -t60S -c25 url
[13:14:23] <stresstest>	 as far as I understand it, it runs a benchmark test with 25 users within 60secs
[13:15:22] <stresstest>	 or should I rather gather several links, pack them together into a txt file and use them all for a stresstest?
[13:55:28] <Reedy>	 Probably
[13:55:39] <Reedy>	 Just hitting hte same url, which is likely cached doesn't tell you much
[14:06:27] <stresstest>	 hmm, I copied all pages from the sitemap and ran siege -c50 -t60s -d10 -i -f urls.txt.
[14:06:35] <stresstest>	 Transactions:		         251 hits Availability:		      100.00 % Elapsed time:		       59.81 secs Data transferred:	        1.96 MB Response time:		        5.12 secs Transaction rate:	        4.20 trans/sec Throughput:		        0.03 MB/sec Concurrency:		       21.47 Successful transactions:         251 Failed transactions:	           0 Longest transaction:	       59.47 Shortest transaction:	        0.00
[14:07:49] <stresstest>	 looks good to me, what do you think? 
[14:40:59] <chippy>	 I imagine a few concurrent POSTs would be different than a few GETs 
[17:38:17] <WiteStar>	 hey all
[17:38:26] <WiteStar>	 any one know of any auth plugins that would work with HTTP_AUTH
[17:38:29] <WiteStar>	 for 1.27
[20:36:34] <WiteStar>	 hi 
[20:36:48] <WiteStar>	 any one knwo if there is a newer version of Auth_remote out there that works?
[20:41:57] <Meneth>	 WiteStar: https://github.com/noris-network/mediawiki-extensions-sessionprovider-remoteuser
[20:42:05] <Meneth>	 Found it here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Auth_remoteuser#Mediawiki_1.27.0
[20:52:55] <WiteStar>	 awsome tahnks
[20:57:59] <Meneth>	 WiteStar: No problem. Note that I don't use the extension, so I can't verify if it actually works.
[20:58:27] <WiteStar>	 Meneth: i can verify it actualy works :)
[20:58:39] <Meneth>	 Awesome :)
[20:58:52] <WiteStar>	 with a small modification it pulls the cookie information of out intranet and seamlessly authenticates!
[20:59:00] <Meneth>	 Nice.
[20:59:07] <WiteStar>	 yep very happy :)
[20:59:12] * WiteStar does a little dance
[20:59:24] <WiteStar>	 i just wish there was a WYSIWYK editor for my technicaly innept staff :(
[20:59:55] <Meneth>	 What's the K stand for?
[21:00:04] <WiteStar>	 KET.
[21:00:07] <WiteStar>	 thast how you spell it right?
[21:00:10] <WiteStar>	 :-[p
[21:00:29] <Meneth>	 https://xkcd.com/1341/
[21:01:06] <WiteStar>	 haha good okd xkcd has somethign for everyone
[21:01:15] <Meneth>	 Pretty much.
[21:01:46] <WiteStar>	 WYSITUTWYG reminds me of bing searches..
[21:02:45] <Meneth>	 WiteStar: You can join me in the "Not looking forward to 1.28 breaking all auth extensions" club.
[21:03:00] <WiteStar>	 seiosuly
[21:03:25] <Meneth>	 1.27 broke them all, but easily fixable as it mostly only deprecated the old ways.
[21:03:41] <Meneth>	 1.28 however completely removes direct session access... which will break absolutely everything.
[21:04:37] <Meneth>	 I'm really not sure what to do when 1.28 comes out, seeing as it'll not only break CAS Auth, but also the phpCAS library CAS Auth relies upon.
[21:05:08] <Meneth>	 (Unless I'm somehow misunderstanding what "The load.php entry point now enforces the existing policy of not allowing
[21:05:11] <Meneth>	   access to session data"
[21:05:14] <Meneth>	 means.
[21:08:57] <Meneth>	 Oh well, I don't really have to care until next year or so.
[21:44:21] <Debra>	 That's the spirit.
[23:01:55] <quiddity>	 Unicode linebreaks, and Extension:CharInsert ... Can anyone help answer https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Tbazcoucdz8pwyd0 ?
[23:02:14] <Debra>	 What an ugly URL.
[23:02:36] <Debra>	 The answer is probably "don't use Extension:CharInsert".