[00:28:52] <synapse__>	 what are the permissions for the images folder supposed to be set to? (I mean, the 3-digit chmod number)
[01:09:52] <wmat>	 synapse__: 755
[01:10:13] <wmat>	 synapse__: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Upload_permissions
[01:25:45] <synapse__>	 thanks wmat
[03:30:15] <charitwa>	 .
[03:31:26] <Barritas>	 .
[03:32:04] <Cameron11598>	 !ops can we get a block on @gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.89.250.21)
[03:32:14] <Matiiia>	 .
[03:32:26] <Cameron11598>	 Platonides: thanks
[03:50:00] <LauritaFioruccin>	 .
[11:18:18] <Duskeren>	 guys. little help here. wanting to implement mediawiki at work. catch here being that we have to access it from another site where we log in and have username stored in a session variable. Can that be re-used in mediawiki as the logged in user?. cant seem to get it to work with SessionManager. most likely doing something wrong :-/
[11:20:53] <Reedy>	 Should be doable
[11:21:07] <Reedy>	 Can you not get them to log in again with the same details, and have MW piggyback auth to this other site?
[11:22:48] <p858snake|L2>	 Duskeren: What type of site do they log into? is their any sort of LDAP/AD that can be used?
[11:25:08] <Duskeren>	 p858snake|L2: its an internal site. both mysql and ldap logins. allowed users is all stored in mysql, some of them has password in ldap. so user logs in, server checks if it is locally stored password. if not, checks ldap.
[11:26:16] <Duskeren>	 so it seemed easier to just catch the server session with their username, and just use that as it is on the same webserver
[11:27:15] <Duskeren>	 Reedy: if i can change the login page to add the user-info MW needs, then that would be great. i made the system. just a simple php login form.
[11:43:00] <Duskeren>	 my god so much documentation :|
[12:21:56] <Jakey3>	 how do i make this link [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_%28Unix_shell%29 BASH] open in a new tab on a wikipage
[12:44:43] <andre__>	 Jakey3: by asking the user to also press Ctrl on the keyboard when clicking that link?
[12:44:53] <andre__>	 or by manually inserting   target="_blank" ? :P
[12:45:06] <andre__>	 but why would you want to do that?
[12:45:47] <Jakey3>	 in this case [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_%28Unix_shell%29 BASH] how would i deit it
[12:45:55] <Jakey3>	 *edit
[12:48:14] <andre__>	 Jakey3, why would you want to do that?
[12:49:05] <Jakey3>	 andre__,  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_%28Unix_shell%29 target="_blank" BASH] ?
[12:49:26] <Jakey3>	 andre__, why doesnt help
[12:49:32] <Jakey3>	 andre__, how helps
[12:49:37] <andre__>	 Jakey3, because you don't answer questions? :)
[12:49:43] <andre__>	 Jakey3, tried $wgExternalLinkTarget = '_blank'; ?
[12:49:55] <andre__>	 or putting HTML around the wiki markup?
[12:50:32] <andre__>	 like <span class="newtab">[https://example.com whatever]</span> and then defining the behavior for that class in Common.js 
[12:50:38] <Jakey3>	 thanks for the help, ill work it out :)
[14:51:14] <Niharika>	 newbie_: Did you get setup with our dev environment?
[14:51:19] <Niharika>	 !hacker | newbie_ 
[14:51:19] <wm-bot>	 newbie_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[14:53:05] <newbie_>	 Niharika :
[14:53:08] <newbie_>	 no
[14:53:50] <Niharika>	 newbie_: You should setup vagrant using the steps given on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant 
[14:55:21] <newbie_>	 Niharika : Okay! I will try setting it up.
[14:56:15] <newbie_>	 I actually attended Media wiki to learn Hackathon
[14:56:51] <newbie_>	 And tried fixing bugs
[14:57:58] <newbie_>	 now I wanted to proceed further in contribution
[15:03:42] <Niharika>	 newbie_: Okay. How did you fix bugs if you didn't have a dev environment setup?
[15:05:35] <newbie_>	 Niharika : I did that in lab system, now I am doing it in my Laptop
[15:06:15] <Niharika>	 Ah. Okay. :)
[15:06:39] <Niharika>	 newbie_: Feel free to ping if you run into issues. /me off for dinner
[15:07:18] <newbie_>	 Okay. :)
[15:33:13] <daFonseca>	 Hi, with I put on Wiki online but with pass, is my pc safe? 
[15:33:56] <Reedy>	 From?
[15:34:41] <daFonseca>	 From ...I don't know... but I want too keep some data safe... 
[15:34:46] <daFonseca>	 like some works
[15:36:46] <TiddlyWinks>	 Hello!
[15:36:59] <daFonseca>	 hi
[15:38:20] <TiddlyWinks>	 Have a question about mediawiki extensions:
[15:38:42] <TiddlyWinks>	 We're setting up an internal wiki in our network to serve as a non customer facing knowledgebase
[15:39:15] <TiddlyWinks>	 we'd like, ideally, to have a button to click that would export the URL to the wikipage we're currently on into Microsoft CRM
[15:39:36] <Reedy>	 export?
[15:39:39] <TiddlyWinks>	 any idea if there's an extension that performs some of that functionality?
[15:40:23] <TiddlyWinks>	 Yeah, basically - Oh, customer has this issue. We navigate to the wiki page we created for that issue, perform the resolution steps, click the button on the wiki page and have that transfer the URL of the page to a field in Microsoft CRM
[15:40:30] <TiddlyWinks>	 or even just the buffer would do
[15:40:41] <Reedy>	 What's wrong with copying from the URL? ;)
[15:40:49] <TiddlyWinks>	 haha, in my opinion - nothing ;p
[15:40:59] <TiddlyWinks>	 boss doesn't love it though
[15:41:10] <Reedy>	 So, basically, you want some js to copy the link to the clipboard
[15:41:33] <TiddlyWinks>	 that's probably what it will come down to
[15:41:50] <TiddlyWinks>	 my boss is a dev, so I'm pretty sure he's just going to do it
[15:42:02] <Reedy>	 haha
[15:42:03] <Reedy>	 TBH, I wouldn't bother doing it as an extension, I don't think
[15:42:11] <Reedy>	 Some site JS, or at most, a gadget would more than suffice
[15:42:31] <TiddlyWinks>	 fair enough, I'll suggest that
[15:42:35] <Reedy>	 !sitejs
[15:42:36] <Reedy>	 !gadgets
[15:42:36] <wm-bot>	 For information about Extension:Gadgets see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets
[15:42:40] <Reedy>	 !js
[15:42:40] <wm-bot>	 To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit the page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] (NOT a file, a page on your wiki, which is included via <script>) as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /vector.js (assuming your skin is vector) subpage of your userpage. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/JavaScript
[15:42:53] <Reedy>	 Mmm... That should be vaguely there for starters
[15:42:54] <TiddlyWinks>	 Oh cool
[15:43:15] <Reedy>	 Maybe not the whole story, but should get you going for starters
[15:43:54] <TiddlyWinks>	 Alright, fair enough. Thank you
[15:44:12] <TiddlyWinks>	 I'm just the sysadmin monkey, I'll toss him the tools and tell him to do his thing
[15:44:14] <Reedy>	 Shouldn't be much MW specific
[16:58:57] <Asterixf2>	 there is an error in polish translation of default main page
[16:59:03] <Asterixf2>	 how can I fix this?
[16:59:40] <Vulpix>	 !twn
[16:59:40] <wm-bot>	 http://translatewiki.net
[17:01:01] <Asterixf2>	 it should support login via global accounts
[17:01:15] <Krenair>	 Asterixf2, hm?
[17:01:22] <Asterixf2>	 and btw, why wikis don't support facebook login by default?
[17:01:37] <Asterixf2>	 Krenair: those used on wikipedia
[17:02:05] <Krenair>	 Asterixf2, it's not a wikimedia site
[17:02:19] <Asterixf2>	 Nonetheless it could enable login with those accounts
[17:02:23] <Krenair>	 no
[17:02:29] <Krenair>	 no it really couldn't
[17:02:33] <Asterixf2>	 Krenair: is my understanding wrong that it is possible?
[17:02:35] <Asterixf2>	 with oauth?
[17:02:58] <Krenair>	 I don't think there is an extension that would allow MW to do that?
[17:03:08] <Asterixf2>	 I thought there is
[17:03:15] <Krenair>	 which one?
[17:03:27] <Asterixf2>	 I am looking for it
[17:03:38] <Asterixf2>	 I have seen it
[17:04:00] <Asterixf2>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OAuthAuthentication
[17:04:20] <Vulpix>	 Asterixf2: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpagetext/pl and https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpagedocfooter/pl
[17:04:46] <Asterixf2>	 Krenair: can you confirm that my understanding is correct that this indeed is possible?
[17:05:27] <Krenair>	 huh
[17:05:30] <Krenair>	 that looks like it might work
[17:06:01] <Krenair>	 though now sure how you'd migrate an existing wiki
[17:06:03] <Asterixf2>	 told you
[17:06:30] <Asterixf2>	 Vulpix: thx, the error I was speaking about was fixed 4 days ago
[17:06:46] <Krenair>	 Asterixf2, you told me that TWN could. I'm not confirming that
[17:06:51] <Krenair>	 Go ask TWN
[17:06:54] <Asterixf2>	 :)
[17:07:32] <Asterixf2>	 Migration is easy, one just could add (WP) or sth as the suffix to the local account name
[17:07:44] <Asterixf2>	 or some merge
[17:08:28] <Reedy>	 Sounds awful
[17:08:32] <Asterixf2>	 why>
[17:08:36] <Asterixf2>	 ?
[17:08:39] <Reedy>	 Why would you want suffixes?
[17:08:54] <Reedy>	 If you code the extension right, you can let people have multiple login sources
[17:08:56] <Asterixf2>	 Reedy: to distinguish shared accounts and avoid conflicts with local usernames
[17:08:59] <Reedy>	 No
[17:09:01] <Krenair>	 Do they have any existing users with that suffix?
[17:09:13] <Krenair>	 does the extension support such suffixes?
[17:09:18] <Reedy>	 ie WMF account exists on twn, let a user match it up with OAuth if they care
[17:09:24] <Reedy>	 Nfi
[17:09:42] <Reedy>	 csteipp wrote it..
[17:09:54] <Reedy>	 I see no config related to suffixes
[17:10:23] <Reedy>	 Anyway
[17:10:25] <Asterixf2>	 Reedy: is there any resolution method for conflicting names (of different users)? 
[17:10:34] <Reedy>	 Usually to rename the conflict
[17:10:37] <Reedy>	 twn is seperate from WMF
[17:10:39] <Asterixf2>	 ok
[17:10:42] <Reedy>	 They can do what they want
[17:10:50] <Vulpix>	 what if a local user name already has that suffix?
[17:10:58] <Reedy>	 They may be interested in using OAuth from WMF wikis
[17:10:58] <Reedy>	 They may not
[17:11:20] <Asterixf2>	 Reedy: anyway, this is absolutely fantastic that you provide this option
[17:12:04] <Yam_>	 I have a question about skins, this an ok place to ask?
[17:13:21] <Reedy>	 As for Facebook login... There's big privacy issues about it
[17:14:15] <Vulpix>	 Yam_: yes
[17:16:47] <Asterixf2>	 Reedy: even if it is optional?
[17:17:13] <Reedy>	 I don't think it's desired on WMF projects by community or otherwise
[17:17:46] <Yam_>	 I want to have 2 variations of the same skin, the variations being within the skin's css page. Is there any way to have it reference 2 different stylesheets without duplicating the skin?
[17:17:58] <Yam_>	 duplicating the skin seems... dangerous
[17:18:01] <Asterixf2>	 Reedy: ok. In my opinion, it could be only used for login and then even show a different customized name on wiki.
[17:18:10] <Reedy>	 Maybe so
[17:18:15] <Reedy>	 I still don't think it's wanted
[17:18:20] <Reedy>	 It's been discussed af ew times
[17:18:33] <Asterixf2>	 on english wikipedia?
[17:19:06] <Reedy>	 I can't remember where
[17:19:21] <Asterixf2>	 ok, thx
[17:19:43] <Reedy>	 Yam_: You can probably do it with 2 different entry/loader points
[17:20:57] <Yam_>	 Is that possible for the layman like me?
[17:21:10] <Reedy>	 Depends how lay you are :)
[17:22:10] <Vulpix>	 T61631
[17:22:11] <stashbot>	 T61631: Enable Facebook login on Wikimedia wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T61631
[17:22:18] <Vulpix>	 Reedy: ^ :)
[17:22:28] <Reedy>	 Ta
[17:22:30] <Reedy>	 Asterixf2: ^
[17:23:52] <Yam_>	 Pretty lay I think. I've managed wikias but this is my first time around with an installed mediawiki. I can follow instructions at least, edit code and move stuff around, heh
[17:24:41] <Yam_>	 I just want to check if there's no simpler way to have different stylesheets, that can be switched by users similar to the way they can switch skins in preferences
[17:25:19] <Yam_>	 Basically for people that want to read on a dark background with light text, and a light background with dark text
[17:25:55] <Yam_>	 Well, more accurately, I'm taking over the position of an old wiki admin and I don't want to piss folk off by replacing what they're used to with my new shiny skins. :p
[17:26:17] <Vulpix>	 you can probably implement that as a css-only gadget, that users can switch on/off on their preferences. That's the most easy way to implement it, probably not the most intuitive one for the user
[17:26:25] <Skizzerz>	 alternatively, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Theme
[17:26:50] <Skizzerz>	 although
[17:26:56] <Skizzerz>	 that probably won't work
[17:27:09] <Skizzerz>	 it seems to not add anything to Special:Preferences
[17:28:23] <Skizzerz>	 but you can maybe use the code as a baseline to add stuff; otherwise the Gadgets route Vulpix mentioned is likely the best
[17:30:56] <Yam_>	 Hmm, ok, will check it out. Thought about storing the dark version of the css in my user skin css and just instructing people to set up there own, but that's not terribly user friendly either huh
[17:31:18] <Yam_>	 I'll sniff around for gadgets
[17:31:43] <Vulpix>	 !e Gadgets
[17:31:43] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets
[17:34:02] <Yam_>	 Thanks guys!
[17:55:39] <Asterixf2>	 Reedy: Vulpix: I have read this discussion. My conclusion is that not allowing that even as a feature planned for 'later' is ridiculous. But I guess many would disagree.
[17:57:45] <Vulpix>	 my opinion is that it should be implemented as an extension, and as such anybody is welcome to create such extension but WMF employees probably won't invest time on it
[17:58:47] <Asterixf2>	 Vulpix: extension sounds ok
[17:58:50] <Vulpix>	 MediaWiki apparently already provides mechanisms for extensions to implement their own login/registration mechanism
[17:59:29] <Vulpix>	 an LDAP authentication already exists as an extension
[18:26:20] <Reedy>	 Yeah, it's not gonna be a core feature
[18:56:23] <sabbut>	 Asterixf2: MediaWiki/pl is restricted to autoconfirmed users, if you're not autoconfirmed you have to ask someone who is
[18:56:44] <sabbut>	 what kind of error is it?
[19:56:38] <sabbut>	 Is there a debugger to check the contents of the mw object on submit?
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[22:53:55] <Skizzerz>	 I'm tempted to just ban the kiwiirc gateway
[22:54:12] <Skizzerz>	 since he's used it 100% of the time
[22:54:33] <Matthew_>	  Skizzerz: But also, people who actually need help may use it...
[22:54:33] * Skizzerz wonders if that would affect anyone else here
[22:55:01] <Matthew_>	 For example, we sometimes send users from #wikipedia-en-help.  It's rare, but I've done it before.
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