[04:54:38] <tiddlywinks>	 Hello!
[04:59:13] <tiddlywinks>	 So I installed bluespice stable branch on top of a mediawiki 1.27 install. When I try and save a page edit, it returns a red mwexception error message. Often the page saves regardless, though sometimes not. I find if I click the disk 'save' icon in the editor - it often works, however 
[04:59:21] <tiddlywinks>	 any ideas where to start looking?
[05:01:11] <tiddlywinks>	 diffparser.php in error logs is mentioned, as well as failing 'to the left' or something. I'm sorry, working off memory here
[05:37:41] <legoktm>	 hi tiddlywinks
[05:37:43] <legoktm>	 !debug
[05:37:43] <wm-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[09:53:35] <Qwertie>	 Is there a simple way to export all the pages of a wiki? Im about to shut down one but I want to save the info on it
[12:42:27] <Limona>	 hello guys
[12:42:37] <Limona>	 $wgWhitelistRead =  array ("Main Page", "Special:Userlogin", "Help:Contents", "-");
[12:42:45] <Limona>	 My main page still says i need to log in
[12:48:41] <andre__>	 what's $wgGroupPermissions set to? which MediaWiki version is this about?
[12:51:05] <Limona>	 latest one i believe
[12:51:23] <Limona>	 just a sec
[12:51:33] <andre__>	 Special:Version tells you
[12:51:46] <Limona>	 $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;
[12:52:28] <Limona>	 where do i check special:version
[12:53:27] <Limona>	 MediaWiki 	1.27.1
[13:30:37] <kernalism>	 mediawiki 1.27.1 fails at 17% during extraction. Have re-downloaded multiple times with same error
[13:31:24] <Reedy>	 kernalism: WFM
[13:31:31] <Reedy>	 Where are you downloading it from? How are you downloading it?
[13:32:28] <kernalism>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download
[13:32:34] <kernalism>	 Firefox
[13:32:50] <Reedy>	 Which url?
[13:32:54] <Reedy>	 https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.27/mediawiki-1.27.1.tar.gz worked fine for me
[13:33:06] <kernalism>	 https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.27/mediawiki-1.27.1.tar.gz
[13:33:44] <kernalism>	 Yeah it doesn't make much sense to me why its not working
[13:33:46] <Reedy>	 https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.27/mediawiki-1.27.1.tar.gz.sig
[13:33:52] <Reedy>	 You can confirm it against it's signature
[13:34:03] <Reedy>	 I'd suggest downloading via another method... curl/wget or another browser
[13:37:11] <Limona>	 andre__ any thoughts
[13:41:22] <Vulpix>	 Qwertie: If you want only the HTML representation of your pages, you can run https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:RebuildFileCache.php 
[13:41:57] <Qwertie>	 Id prefer to have all the pages exported to markdown or similar 
[13:42:49] <Vulpix>	 MediaWiki does not support markdown, you can get either plain wikitext or HTML
[13:51:20] <Debra>	 HTML is pretty versatile.
[13:55:26] <Qwertie>	 Vulpix: How would I export to the wiki formatting text?
[13:55:37] <Qwertie>	 I can convert that to markdown easy
[13:57:34] <Vulpix>	 Qwertie: you can get a list of page titles to export and iterate over all of them with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:GetText.php
[13:58:17] <kernalism>	 Downloaded with chromium, but same error occurred while extracting - stops at file: wiki.phtml
[13:59:39] <Vulpix>	 hmm, I remember another person complaining about failing to extract tarball because it contained symlinks
[14:00:05] <Reedy>	 kernalism: try a download manager?
[14:00:17] <Vulpix>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:T768oroqpsw8bi68
[14:00:25] <kernalism>	 Tried to verify with Kleopatra: "Could not determine whether this is an S/MIME or an OpenPGP signature - maybe it is not a signature at all" - what am I doing wrong?
[14:01:06] <Vulpix>	 I don't know why are we including wiki.phtml, even as a symlink...
[14:01:49] <Reedy>	 Vulpix: You may be interested in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/270948/
[14:04:26] <Vulpix>	 kernalism: what are you using to extract the tarball?
[14:05:34] <Vulpix>	 apparently the problem with symlinks is not new... https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Rxfdyp4rjb2xk0pt
[14:10:55] <kernalism>	 I was using PeaZip. Just used 7zip - different error this time but seems non-fatal. 'Can not create symbolic link : Access is denied' this time for README.rst
[14:11:28] <kernalism>	 Guess I'll find out if everythings okay when I upload it to my webserver
[14:11:56] <Reedy>	 windows?
[14:12:14] <Vulpix>	 most probably, windows can't handle them
[14:12:26] <kernalism>	 Yep
[14:14:41] <kernalism>	 Thanks for help
[14:29:59] <paladox>	 Vulpix Reedy the error decribed by kernalism can be ignored
[14:30:05] <paladox>	 Just a warnning but is still unzipped
[14:31:04] <Reedy>	 paladox: He described many before
[14:31:35] <paladox>	 Yep, but this one "I was using PeaZip. Just used 7zip - different error this time but seems non-fatal. 'Can not create symbolic link : Access is denied' this time for README.rst"
[14:31:48] <paladox>	 README.rst doint know what that is
[14:31:49] <paladox>	 though
[14:33:54] <Vulpix>	 a symlink to README? same as README.mediawiki
[14:34:43] <paladox>	 Oh
[14:34:53] <paladox>	 Reedy im wondering for apcu do we want to do https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/aeedfb8526e9d221553e430437a7572a6da2ba65/includes/cache/localisation/LocalisationCache.php#L525 that too?
[14:34:56] <paladox>	 and the one below too
[14:35:31] <Reedy>	 They don't rename the config variables I think
[14:35:32] <Reedy>	 so no
[14:36:08] <paladox>	 Oh
[14:36:13] <paladox>	 Reedy what about https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/25047f8dd0a818fc8cb089f216914ba342c78287/includes/Defines.php#L97 ?
[14:36:19] <paladox>	 Do we increase that to 4?
[14:36:27] <Reedy>	 No?
[14:36:30] <paladox>	 To say theres apc, apcu, wincache, xcache
[14:36:30] <Reedy>	 Why would we?
[14:36:44] <Reedy>	 The number isn't the number of things it supports
[14:36:51] <paladox>	 Oh
[14:40:43] <paladox>	 Reedy would you be able to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/315513 please?
[14:42:14] <Reedy>	 Does it change anything?
[14:42:36] <paladox>	 Reedy updates a test
[14:42:41] <Reedy>	 Yes, I can see that
[14:42:41] <paladox>	 to support apcu
[14:42:46] <Reedy>	 But does it actually make any difference
[14:42:55] <paladox>	 It might, but not sure
[14:43:00] <paladox>	 Just following apc path
[14:43:04] <Reedy>	 I don't think it maks the test support apcu
[14:43:09] <paladox>	 Oh
[14:43:57] <Reedy>	 I don't think it's wrong, I just don't know if it gives any benefit
[14:45:23] <paladox>	 Ok
[14:46:32] <paladox>	 Reedy would you be able to merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/315110/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/315112/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/315124/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/315125/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/315188/  please?
[14:46:37] <paladox>	 It replaces the deprecated hooks
[15:02:11] <maniat1k>	 hi! 
[15:02:23] <maniat1k>	 anyone?
[15:02:52] <Reedy>	 anyone what?
[15:07:18] <maniat1k>	 hi! I have a cuestion
[15:07:24] <maniat1k>	 question sorry
[15:08:10] <maniat1k>	 Is there a plugin to automate the old page warning? I have a wiki that I want to fix a little
[15:09:23] <andre__>	 maniat1k: What is there to "automate"?
[15:10:00] <andre__>	 maniat1k, or rather: could you describe which problem you would like to solve?
[15:12:02] <GB1609>	 hi
[15:12:09] <GB1609>	 anyone here?
[15:12:10] <wm-bot>	 Hi GB1609, I am here, if you need anything, please ask, otherwise no one is going to help you... Thank you
[15:14:08] <concerned0909>	 what if there's a section link and someone is about to remove/rename that section without knowing it's linked somewhere else? any countermeasures?
[15:16:27] <andre__>	 No. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147857
[15:17:52] <concerned0909>	 good to know it's a known issue at least
[15:37:41] <t4nk448>	 having an issue with bluespice install if anyone has a moment to spare. Every time I try to save a page, it results in an internal error (diffparser positional error:right) and a 25 line backtrace. The page successfully save
[15:38:08] <Reedy>	 t4nk448: You may be best just filing a task in phabricator with that backtrace
[15:38:29] <t4nk448>	 Here's a screenshot of the error msg I get http://prntscr.com/csz4xg
[15:41:09] <andre__>	 t4nk448: bug report in Phabricator with stacktrace as text and version information for MediaWiki, BlueSpice and Echo welcome
[15:42:26] <t4nk448>	 hmmm, phabricator, looking
[15:43:36] <Vulpix>	 !bugreport
[15:43:43] <Vulpix>	 !reportbug
[15:43:43] <wm-bot>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/
[15:43:59] <t4nk448>	 damn, using windows
[15:48:08] <t4nk448>	 nevermind, phabricator will not accept my wikimedia login info
[15:48:38] <huji>	 t4nk448: you need to create an account for Phabricator
[15:48:45] <t4nk448>	 Yeah, noticed it
[15:49:02] <t4nk448>	 thanks, read too many damn manuals today
[15:52:10] <t4nk448>	 !debug
[15:52:10] <wm-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[15:52:41] <t4nk448>	 how do i get stack trace - or do you mean the verbose error message with backtrace?
[15:54:54] <Reedy>	 t4nk448: That photo is oyur stack trace
[15:55:05] <Reedy>	 You could just attach the screenshot
[15:55:10] <Reedy>	 Though, giving it in text form is more useful
[15:55:42] <t4nk448>	 gotcha. Thanks
[16:00:30] <t4nk448>	 OK, done: T147936
[16:00:30] <stashbot>	 T147936: Internal Error :Diffparser positional left when saving page edits or creating new pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147936
[16:05:07] <Reedy>	 Thanks t4nk448
[16:05:23] <Reedy>	 Wonder if that's actually a bluespice error, or Echo itself
[16:05:36] <t4nk448>	 I dont have echo
[16:05:38] <Reedy>	 t4nk448: Does it say on Special:Version a version for Echo?
[16:05:42] <t4nk448>	 you mean the extension?
[16:05:47] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[16:05:55] <Reedy>	 Well, you clearly do.. there's an error in there :)
[16:06:20] <t4nk448>	 Oh, look at that. I didnt install that
[16:06:58] <t4nk448>	 http://prntscr.com/cszisz
[16:07:08] <t4nk448>	 I'll try and do a formal install of it
[16:07:26] <Reedy>	 Probably no need
[16:07:34] <Reedy>	 I guess it came part of the BlueSpice extension bundle
[16:08:03] <Reedy>	 I suspect the problem will be BlueSpice missing some fixes...
[16:09:44] <t4nk448>	 Do you think I'll break something if I install echo manually and perform the update script?
[16:10:58] <Reedy>	 Honeslty have no idea how it'll behave
[16:12:21] <Reedy>	 I don't think it's updated related though
[16:21:42] <t4nk448>	 well, visual editor is disabled now
[16:21:46] <t4nk448>	 so... that didnt go well
[16:27:15] <Mlpearc>	 How do you get system message page names that an extension uses/generate
[16:27:35] <Reedy>	 Mlpearc: Look in the source generally
[16:27:41] <Reedy>	 or, the extensions localisation files
[16:28:16] <Mlpearc>	 Ok, thanx Reedy 
[16:28:35] <Vulpix>	 !qqx
[16:28:35] <wm-bot>	 If you want to find a particular system message being used on a page, you can append the uselang=qqx parameter to the URL. That will replace all system messages used on the page by their message names. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Qqx
[16:29:00] <Mlpearc>	 I've seen extensions list them in the infobox, but not all do that
[16:30:06] <Mlpearc>	 ?&uselang=qqx shows all messages on a specific page
[16:31:07] <Mlpearc>	 I'm looking for a way to get extension specific ones
[16:31:28] <Mlpearc>	 I'll looo0k through the code :)
[16:35:11] <Reedy>	 Mlpearc: Newer extensions have an i18n folder
[16:35:16] <Reedy>	 And then files per language
[16:35:44] <Mlpearc>	 Cool thanx
[16:48:10] <t4nk448>	 I dont think bluespice supports the newest wiki version
[16:48:15] <t4nk448>	 despite them saying they do
[16:50:53] <t4nk448>	 Bluespice uninstalled
[16:51:21] <t4nk448>	 anyone recommend another wysiwyg editor that works with mediawiki 1.27?
[16:52:41] <andre__>	 VisualEditor? :)
[16:53:10] <t4nk448>	 that caused huge install issues for me :/
[16:53:17] <t4nk448>	 cant remember specifics of course
[16:55:16] <Skizzerz>	 VE is a pain to set up
[16:55:30] <Skizzerz>	 but that's probably your only other option that will work somewhat well
[16:56:49] <t4nk448>	 gonna try wikied
[16:58:23] <Skizzerz>	 WikiEd isn't WYSIWYG
[17:00:06] <Skizzerz>	 it may be "good enough" for your purposes though, I don't really know your specifics
[17:25:27] <t4nk448>	 oh yeah thats why i couldnt get visual editor working
[17:25:29] <t4nk448>	 parsoid.
[17:33:18] <t4nk448>	 http://prntscr.com/ct0pfb
[17:33:23] <t4nk448>	 WTF does that mean?!
[17:33:39] <t4nk448>	 why on EARTh would cmd.exe be anywhere BUT system32?
[17:34:15] <Vulpix>	 lol
[17:38:10] <ponyofdeath>	 hi, anyonone figure out TLS + php ldap?
[17:38:53] <ponyofdeath>	 trying to get my mediawiki setup to use TLS + ldap to jumpcloud.com's ldap server and mediawiki ldap debug is not helping much with msgs like these
[17:39:02] <ponyofdeath>	 Using TLS or not using encryption.
[17:39:11] <ponyofdeath>	 PHP's LDAP connect method returned true (note, this does not imply it connected to the server).
[17:39:25] <ponyofdeath>	 but then i get failed to bind
[17:39:35] <ponyofdeath>	 now if i change to Clear and port 389 everything works
[17:48:45] <Skizzerz>	 t4nk448: that instruction probably should say "If your current directory is in system32, change directories"
[17:49:11] <Skizzerz>	 npm install will create subdirectories in whatever directory you are currently in
[17:49:21] <Skizzerz>	 and you don't really want to do that in the system dir
[17:56:37] <t4nk448>	 yeah
[17:56:44] <t4nk448>	 that would have been horrifically useful, skizzerz
[17:56:56] <t4nk448>	 since I just installed parsoid in the wrong dir
[18:00:05] <t4nk448>	 the instructions are completely fucked. I typically despise touching public wikis as trolls immediately revert changes because of the most arbitrary reason - but I gotta fix this,.
[18:00:10] <t4nk448>	 pardon my language
[18:00:41] <huji>	 anomie: I need your help
[18:00:50] <anomie>	 huji: ?
[18:01:30] <huji>	 anomie: http://pastebin.com/eCbv37mj
[18:01:31] <Vulpix>	 yes, the windows part of parsoid is very bad explained, using wrong slashes and unix commands...
[18:01:42] <huji>	 somehow the "default" value doesn't take effect and the dropdown always shows "1" as default
[18:01:47] <huji>	 what am I doing wrong?
[18:03:06] <huji>	 anomie: I even copy-pasted another dropdown that works (the language dropdown) so we have two of it; the first time it defaults correctly but the second time it doesn't
[18:03:08] <huji>	 any idea?
[18:05:14] <huji>	 anomie: http://pastebin.com/PPu9kU0P here the first dropdown defaults to 'en', but the third one doesn't
[18:05:20] * huji feels like he is going crazy
[18:05:52] <anomie>	 huji: Your first paste works fine when I try it.
[18:06:19] <huji>	 it doesn't in my environment
[18:07:05] <anomie>	 huji: Is the HTML being output for the <select> and its <option>s correct for you?
[18:07:06] <huji>	 http://tinypic.com/r/k0n76o/9
[18:07:33] <huji>	 yes I end up with a dropdown from 1 to 28 and HTML looks fine
[18:08:14] <huji>	 anomie: http://pastebin.com/yVgS8QLA
[18:08:30] <huji>	 oh oh oh
[18:08:33] <huji>	 it is my browser damn it
[18:08:40] <huji>	 anomie: sorry for bothering :(
[18:08:47] <anomie>	 np
[18:19:30] <t4nk448>	 I did minor rewrites to parsoid wiki
[18:19:35] <t4nk448>	 we'll see how long they last
[18:19:42] <t4nk448>	 but it should get people through the install
[18:24:08] <ponyofdeath>	 so I have ldap auth working but then I get "Auto-creation of a local account failed: Automatic account creation is not allowed." any ideas what I am missing?
[18:30:44] <ponyofdeath>	 seems there is a bug for it https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140972
[18:33:26] <t4nk448>	 rofl, installed visual editor with git
[18:33:35] <t4nk448>	 it installed a version relying on mediawiki 1.28
[18:35:04] <Skizzerz>	 yes, if using git you need to ensure you are using the REL1_27 branch, not master
[18:35:39] <Skizzerz>	 this is probably a good idea for most extensions, tbh -- unless the extension says that master is backwards-compatible, it's safer to assume it is not
[18:37:45] <andre__>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git
[18:38:51] <t4nk448>	 yeah and going back through the doc
[18:38:59] <t4nk448>	 they do somewhat clearly state its for 1.28
[18:39:08] <t4nk448>	 so I'll shoulder the blame on this one!
[18:51:34] <t4nk448>	 Ok, I'm so close, but I'm losing my mind
[18:51:41] <t4nk448>	 parsoid is installed and running
[18:52:07] <t4nk448>	 when I enable the lines in localsettings.php to link to parsoid, the website breaks error 500
[19:04:22] <t4nk448>	 Holy shit I did it.
[19:21:31] <t4nk448>	 So Visual Editor doesn't allow you to drag and drop images, or copy images with html snippets into it?
[19:24:24] <Skizzerz>	 are uploads enabled on the wiki? they're off by default
[19:24:43] <Skizzerz>	 (and idk what "copy images with html snippets" means)
[19:25:33] <t4nk448>	 http://prntscr.com/ct2cb1
[19:25:47] <t4nk448>	 basically, select text and images on msn.com
[19:25:54] <t4nk448>	 paste into my article
[19:25:59] <t4nk448>	 and have it all come through
[19:26:22] <Skizzerz>	 your convert command is wrong
[19:26:34] <Skizzerz>	 you should provide a full path
[19:26:44] <t4nk448>	 users are able to manually upload files no problem, but boss is pressing for the ability of our developers to take a snippet with snippet or lightshot and paste it into the editor from buffer
[19:26:47] <Skizzerz>	 or a relative path (without a leading slash)
[19:27:04] <t4nk448>	 s'default
[19:27:14] <t4nk448>	 let me configure it
[19:27:19] <Skizzerz>	 copy/pasting images is likely not a thing
[19:27:30] <Skizzerz>	 drag and drop from your local pc I think should work though, lemme test
[19:27:38] <Skizzerz>	 maybe needs another extension
[19:28:59] <t4nk448>	 fair enough, I'll look
[19:29:04] <t4nk448>	 any idea where convert.bat resides?
[19:29:16] <Skizzerz>	 did you install imagemagick?
[19:29:28] <Skizzerz>	 (that'd be a program, not a mw extension)
[19:29:41] <t4nk448>	 I didnt, thinking it could be left over from bluespice
[19:30:05] <Skizzerz>	 then change $wgUseImageMagick from true to false
[19:30:17] <Skizzerz>	 you can leave the ConvertCommand line as-is or comment it out, as it won't be used
[19:31:18] <t4nk448>	 looks like its something to do with vector gfx
[19:33:11] <Skizzerz>	 it's a way to resize images and such
[19:33:33] <Skizzerz>	 mediawiki will use it for generating thumbnails if available, as it beats out the gd extension included with PHP
[19:34:34] <marktraceur>	 !hss | jubo2
[19:34:34] <wm-bot>	 jubo2: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/6/69/Hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[19:35:10] <jubo2>	 Okk. I laugh like a madman
[19:35:30] <jubo2>	 coz is true like polanball true
[19:35:47] <Skizzerz>	 ah
[19:35:59] <Skizzerz>	 t4nk448: Insert -> Media allows you to drag-and-drop to upload files
[19:36:00] <jubo2>	 We don't want the machines getting everything. Bad news is this they gonna get nearly everything.
[19:36:44] <jubo2>	 I love it that the 1.28-branch can merge multiple diffs for main view turn on
[19:37:05] <jubo2>	 Is AYBABTU reference, must mention to avoid confusion
[19:37:25] <jubo2>	 CATS is gonna kick it
[19:39:49] <jubo2>	 I've relied on MediaWiki for my creative work for over 13 yrs and I have to Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for the awesome free software
[19:40:41] <jubo2>	 Kubuntu 16.10 is out tomorrow
[19:41:03] <jubo2>	 I'ma download the final image
[19:41:03] <jubo2>	 Okk..
[19:41:04] <jubo2>	 Is hard-scifi tiem
[19:41:10] <jubo2>	 Daatta crystals?
[19:41:13] <jubo2>	 Yeah.
[19:41:26] <jubo2>	 They say 250,000 yrs and several TB
[19:41:49] <jubo2>	 Optical 3D tektek
[19:42:40] <jubo2>	 good news is world is gonna end before 250,000 yrs, so everyone able to view your tomb will be gone
[19:43:33] <jubo2>	 marktraceur: Wikivoyage + Semantic MediaWiki, totally
[19:43:58] <marktraceur>	 jubo2: Huh?
[19:44:01] <jubo2>	 instead of two redundant article points trying to state entry and exit nodes and associated data
[19:44:17] * marktraceur is confused at the above rant
[19:44:27] <jubo2>	 you would just have one "transport connection"-object
[19:44:42] <jubo2>	 that would contain timetable and instructions to get to and to get from the terminals
[19:44:47] <jubo2>	 machine replicate
[19:44:54] <jubo2>	 human no do stupid job
[19:45:13] <jubo2>	 and everyone in Wikivoyage would be less pissed off
[19:46:34] <jubo2>	 Every == Contact == in Finlan should be like "Prepaid data sims are available at all entry points at R-Kioski so remember to bring an extra phone or tablet."
[19:46:59] <jubo2>	 and right now it ain't saying that info in every verbin' thousand articles of Finnlann
[19:48:49] <jubo2>	 If it were Semantic database in a triplestore or a graph database there would be so much less annoyance in developing the most awesome hypertext planetary guide book to sleep, eat, drink and do what you like as long as you don't hurt others
[19:49:24] <jubo2>	 I was in Wiktionary from 2003-2004
[19:49:43] <jubo2>	 then I noticed none of the devels give a flying verb about Wiktionary needs and dropped out
[19:50:03] <jubo2>	 But I love the software
[19:51:08] <jubo2>	 I have relied on MW for my creative work for over 13.5 yrs and it never badly let me down
[19:52:11] <t4nk448>	 Is there a simple setting that disables search functionality or something? I have three uploaded files, but I cannot find them when trying to insert an image and searching for them. In addition - and more troubling - the actual search function itself cannot find any wiki articles I've created
[19:52:37] <t4nk448>	 I have an article named '& and other issues' - searching for '&' returns nothing
[19:52:54] <Reedy>	 t4nk448: Does your search search the file NS?
[19:53:15] <t4nk448>	 good, Q, let me see if I can figure that out with visual editor
[19:53:27] <Reedy>	 $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault = [
[19:53:27] <Reedy>	 	NS_MAIN => true,
[19:53:27] <Reedy>	 ];
[19:53:42] <Reedy>	 Add this to your LocalSettings
[19:53:42] <Reedy>	 $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault[NS_FILE] = true;
[19:54:08] <t4nk448>	 will that affect wiki page searches?
[19:54:19] <t4nk448>	 I may have been wrong in saying they werent working, btw
[19:54:22] <t4nk448>	 but file search def isnt
[19:57:05] <t4nk448>	 That didnt seem to work, reedy
[19:57:30] <t4nk448>	 They are definately in the DB...
[19:57:45] <Reedy>	 Which search are you talking about?
[19:59:41] <Vulpix>	 maybe Visual Editor has something to search for existing images when embedding one
[20:00:45] <Reedy>	 Presumably it's just a JS call to the api?
[20:01:51] <t4nk448>	 so, right now Im concerned about visualeditor
[20:01:58] <t4nk448>	 if I insert, media
[20:02:11] <t4nk448>	 and try to search for ANY of the uploaded images on my server - nothing
[20:02:22] <t4nk448>	 commons is turned off - but works when flagged on
[20:04:17] <Krenair>	 it can do commons searching but not local searching?
[20:04:19] <Reedy>	 You could have found a bug
[20:04:39] <Krenair>	 is your wiki public?
[20:04:54] <t4nk448>	 private
[20:05:07] <t4nk448>	 I'm sick of finding bugs - I'd rather not
[20:05:11] <t4nk448>	 ;p
[20:05:26] <Krenair>	 yeah well, it's hard to help private wikis
[20:05:41] <t4nk448>	 On my admin login - I can see all three uploaded files in uncategorized images
[20:06:50] <Reedy>	 Software is full of bugs
[20:06:56] <Reedy>	 You're helping by findind and reporting them
[20:07:17] <Reedy>	 Unfortunately BlueSpice isn't standard
[20:07:20] <t4nk448>	 In this case, I dont know how to report, as there's no error
[20:07:27] <t4nk448>	 I uninstalled bluespice
[20:07:33] <Krenair>	 are you using chrome?
[20:07:33] <t4nk448>	 Im using visualeditor now
[20:07:41] <t4nk448>	 affirmative
[20:07:55] <Reedy>	 No error != no bug
[20:08:03] <Reedy>	 It's not doing what you expect, or what it should
[20:08:08] <Reedy>	 It's likely a bug
[20:08:13] <Reedy>	 Whether in the software, or your confg
[20:08:18] <Krenair>	 do you know about the dev tools and the network tab?
[20:08:22] <t4nk448>	 I agree, but it limits what information i can relay
[20:08:34] <t4nk448>	 krenair F12?
[20:08:50] <Krenair>	 yes
[20:09:18] <t4nk448>	 I know the shortcut, and I can understand... some of it
[20:09:21] <Krenair>	 is there anything in there with api.php?callback= ?
[20:09:40] <Krenair>	 that'll be the commons query
[20:10:20] <Krenair>	 immediately following it should be one like http://mediawiki.krenair.dev/mediawiki_dev/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&generator=search&gsrnamespace=6&iiurlheight=200&iiprop=dimensions%7Curl%7Cmediatype%7Cextmetadata%7Ctimestamp%7Cuser&prop=imageinfo&gsrsearch=Search+Query+Here&iiurlwidth=300&gsroffset=0&gsrlimit=15
[20:10:30] <Krenair>	 but obviously with your own wiki's hostname and script path
[20:10:37] <t4nk448>	 http://prntscr.com/ct2zfj
[20:11:08] <t4nk448>	 so, not seeing that
[20:11:53] <Krenair>	 you're not?
[20:12:03] <Krenair>	 I see it listed at the bottom in your screenshot?
[20:12:39] <Krenair>	 oh you were looking for the commons one
[20:12:43] <t4nk448>	 ^
[20:13:13] <Krenair>	 and actually the bottom one isn't the file search query
[20:13:26] <Krenair>	 yeah, maybe set up a public site and I'll look at it
[20:13:42] <t4nk448>	 Ok so
[20:13:53] <t4nk448>	 I see the call by generating a new search
[20:14:01] <t4nk448>	 and selecting the new api query
[20:14:09] <t4nk448>	 {batchcomplete}
[20:14:19] <Krenair>	 that means no results
[20:14:34] <t4nk448>	 agreed, near instantaneous result
[20:22:49] <t4nk448>	 I wonder if maybe my cache is messed up?
[20:23:59] <Reedy>	 if it's overzealous, maybe
[20:26:00] <t4nk448>	 wikimedia images directory had 'everyone' RW
[20:26:10] <Reedy>	 *medawiki
[20:26:16] <t4nk448>	 sorry, yeah
[20:26:59] <Reedy>	 If images was everyon rw, that's your change
[20:27:04] <Reedy>	 clean tarball extract has..
[20:27:04] <Reedy>	 drwxr-xr-x  2 reedy reedy   4096 Aug 22 21:52 images
[20:27:10] <t4nk448>	 I did change that, yes
[20:27:14] <t4nk448>	 (windows btw)
[20:27:33] <t4nk448>	 Im convinced this is a slightly larger problem though, as Im having article search issues as well
[20:28:05] <Vulpix>	 the problem may be just the search itself...
[20:28:14] <t4nk448>	 for instance if I search for 'Support" I get nothing
[20:28:22] <t4nk448>	 if I search for Support.png I get the file
[20:28:44] <Reedy>	 Default search does suck
[20:31:19] <t4nk448>	 for more poops and giggles, I directly called the uploaded file in source
[20:31:23] <t4nk448>	 worked without issue
[20:32:10] <Reedy>	 That tells you nothing :)
[20:34:57] <t4nk448>	 Im really kinda out of ideas, honestly
[20:35:26] <t4nk448>	 INTERESTING.
[20:35:33] <Reedy>	 Do you have some aggressive cache infront of hte web side?
[20:35:40] <t4nk448>	 so I added them directly in source and I can view them
[20:36:10] <t4nk448>	 but when viewing in visualedit mode - they go blank
[20:36:17] <t4nk448>	 using placeholders
[20:36:29] <t4nk448>	 hovering over reveals (media) then the filename
[20:36:41] <t4nk448>	 back to read - I can see them
[20:36:55] <Reedy>	 Any js console errors?
[20:39:15] <t4nk448>	 Im not familiar with how to pull that up
[20:39:42] <Reedy>	 f12 again
[20:40:02] <t4nk448>	 Right, but where?
[20:40:10] <t4nk448>	 Console?
[20:40:18] <t4nk448>	 sweeeeeeet
[20:40:37] <t4nk448>	 http://prntscr.com/ct3dt3
[20:52:05] <chisby>	 Hi
[20:53:20] <chisby>	 I need support for mediawiki 1.26.4, please
[20:53:27] <Reedy>	 Ask away
[20:54:22] <Vulpix>	 ^ but not him (lol)
[20:55:53] <chisby>	 I have centos 7 with mediawiki 1.26.4 installed and run ok
[20:57:15] <paladox>	 I thought mw 1.26.4 is un supported?
[20:57:26] <chisby>	 but when I upload files, the file not upload and I have this error : [b68c0426] 2016-10-12 17:30:22: Excepción grave de tipo "MWException"
[20:57:27] <Reedy>	 What?
[20:57:33] <Reedy>	 !debug | chisby
[20:57:33] <wm-bot>	 chisby: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[20:57:37] <Reedy>	 paladox: It is
[20:57:44] <paladox>	 ok
[21:02:13] <Vulpix>	 chisby: set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; in LocalSettings.php
[21:02:47] <chisby>	 Vulpix thanks but I have this setting correctly
[21:03:51] <Vulpix>	 if that's true, it should display more information (a stack trace at least) and not a not so useful "Excepción grave de tipo "MWException"
[21:04:05] <chisby>	 and I am giving permissions to the directory Images
[21:07:57] <t4nk448>	 oh weird
[21:08:25] <t4nk448>	 OK, so now if I search for the exact filename "support.png" in visualeditor media search
[21:08:28] <t4nk448>	 I get the image
[21:08:43] <t4nk448>	 however if I fail to include the exact filename - it never finds it
[21:10:14] <Reedy>	 I've no idea how VE media search works
[21:11:01] <t4nk448>	 ok, Ill do more research then
[21:11:10] <t4nk448>	 all search functionality is *working*
[21:11:19] <t4nk448>	 in that I can find all my pages if I search for them exactly
[21:12:34] <t4nk448>	 I think i get it
[21:13:37] <t4nk448>	 images are reffed by loopback address somehow
[21:14:04] <t4nk448>	 so visualeditor is trying to find them using 127.0.0.1 instead of the host
[21:14:14] <t4nk448>	 clearly a config issue
[22:08:02] <t4nk448>	 T147978 is my case. Thanks for people helping me walk it in to a better idea of whats going on
[22:08:03] <stashbot>	 T147978: VisualEditor searching for local media at loopback address (127.0.0.1) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147978
[22:17:24] <MTres19>	 I'm trying to get HTTP basic authentication information with a special page. Is it OK to use $_SERVER[PHP_AUTH_*] or is there some special part of WebRequest that I'm missing? (WebRequest::initHeaders seems to strip away anything not prefixed with "HTTP_".)
[23:29:23] <MTres19>	 I'm sorry, I sent a message earlier but was disconnected.
[23:29:53] <MTres19>	 Is $_SERVER[PHP_AUTH_*] OK for getting HTTP basic authentication credentials?
[23:31:01] <MTres19>	 Or should I use something from WebRequest? (WebRequest::initHeaders gets rid of everything not prefixed with HTTP_.)
[23:54:45] <boblamont>	 Hello. Does anyone here have any experience getting templates working with a shared host (especially hostgator)? I've been down mazes of tutorials, questions and suggestions and I've seemingly stopped getting error messages... but what I do get is very much not the right page (although the source looks right).
[23:55:29] <OuKB>	 you mean Lua?
[23:56:17] <boblamont>	 That's what I think is the problem... but it isn't throwing up errors onto the pages anymore. That stopped once I switched to /usr/bin/lua
[23:58:05] <boblamont>	 On Template: Infoxbox album the page only shows this string of text: o4ddn701tao1ufdnkxe1wdgz5b5ga84