[00:04:32] <tmg>	 MatmaRex: Thanks
[00:07:40] <Hello71>	 or use ApiSandbox?
[00:16:14] <TridenRake>	 Is there a way to completely get rid of OOjs UI? Perhaps, is there a method to remove modules that I don't want to use?
[00:31:28] <MatmaRex>	 TridenRake: you could use adblock or something. of course, nothing using oojs ui will work after you do that
[00:32:08] <Amgine>	 \o_
[00:33:14] <TridenRake>	 MatmaRex, I am not asking this for Wikimedia sites. :) Working on a custom mediawiki project. Would love to have the default UI.
[00:34:11] <bawolff>	 TridenRake: Well if you don't enable anything that uses oojs, than oojs will not be included on the page
[00:37:03] <TridenRake>	 bawolff, I have enabled some forms like create page, search and similar input boxes. Sign up and login uses the OOjs UI too. This is a KB installation for a school project and they have requested me to use the default UIs. 
[00:37:40] <bawolff>	 oh well, you probably have to modify MW for that
[00:39:10] <bawolff>	 Look for the getDisplayFormat() functions and change them or something
[00:39:16] <bawolff>	 doing that is totally unsupported of course
[00:40:32] <TridenRake>	 I understand. In order for MW to use OOjs, it should be registered (something like includeOOjs()) somewhere right? Is this used in multiple files or is there any common entry point?
[00:41:12] <bawolff>	 most of the cases you are seeing is probably related to the HTMLForm class
[00:45:42] <TridenRake>	 So I found htmlform.jss and htmlformoojs.css. But the classes for the OOjs are hardcoded right?
[00:53:03] <bawolff>	 I mean php class. stuff in includes/htmlform
[00:53:23] <TridenRake>	 Ah! Thanks. :) 
[00:53:31] * bawolff again says that doing this is totally unsupported. don't blame us if things explode :)
[00:53:46] <bawolff>	 it will also make updating MW versions difficult.
[00:55:31] <TridenRake>	 bawolff, You are helping me out and I don't think MW team/any supporters shud take the blame for a dev's mistake. Whatever I do, it'll be on me. :) I hope the license says the same.
[00:55:56] <bawolff>	 Well yes, regardless of anything there's no warranty
[00:56:06] <bawolff>	 But we generally help people when they have problems
[00:56:29] <bawolff>	 if you custom modify mw core, we generally say your problem if you run into issues
[00:57:02] <TridenRake>	 Understand. :)
[00:57:12] <TridenRake>	 *stood. ;)
[02:06:28] <gry>	 how do i show recent changes without deletion entries lines in it?
[02:10:44] <Hello71>	 what exactly does that mean
[02:15:35] <Vulpix>	 I guess it means hiding log entries from recent changes
[02:15:44] <Vulpix>	 *he means (sorry)
[02:18:47] <Hello71>	 no, 'it' is fine too in English
[02:19:05] <Hello71>	 but my question is regarding the meaning of "deletion entries lines"
[02:22:07] <Vulpix>	 when you delete a page, recent changes displays an entry with the deletion log, I think gry means that
[02:26:12] <Hello71>	 see, I thought it meant negative net lines
[02:26:22] <Hello71>	 but sure, .mw-changeslist-log-delete { display: none; }
[09:06:04] <Xatenev>	 Morning
[09:06:30] <Xatenev>	 Is it possible to make mediawiki searchbar work with Ä = AE & Ä | AE = AE & Ä
[09:11:38] <akiva_>	 hey all; I am trying to install scribunto on Ubuntu 16.10; I installed mediawiki via the repos, and I am looking at the requirements for scribunto. It says PHP5-dev -- all that is available is PHP7-dev. Same with liblua5.1-dev -- 5.3-dev is available.
[09:11:43] <akiva_>	 Can I just grab the latest?
[09:47:38] <Xatenev>	 The mediawiki search is basolutely broken. lol
[09:47:55] <Xatenev>	 If any mediawiki internal might help me.. Id appreciate that :P
[10:07:44] <Gronolly>	 Does the extension ECHO depend on any other extensions? Is it a heavy extension?
[10:19:25] <akiva_>	 nevermind; working out
[10:46:07] <akiva_>	 Ughh, mediawiki team, why did you remove &format=txt ? My software no longer works! 
[10:46:11] <akiva_>	 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40607815/how-can-i-get-the-format-txt-mediawiki-api-option-back
[10:46:44] <akiva_>	 (Good work by the way. I'm sure you had your reasons)
[10:52:39] <andre__>	 akiva_, and your https://i.stack.imgur.com/WBRnJ.png is from where?
[10:53:05] <akiva_>	 andre__: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Data_formats
[10:54:19] <andre__>	 akiva_, the text says "All formats other than JSON are deprecated."
[10:54:23] <andre__>	 is anything unclear about that?
[10:54:47] <akiva_>	 Nope. 
[10:54:52] <p858snake>	 i thought we removed those years ago…
[10:55:12] <p858snake>	 I thought we wern't deprecating them all, last I read on the mailing list
[10:55:28] <akiva_>	 If there is not an easy way to get it back, that is fine; i just have to add a few regular expressions to extract what I need.
[10:59:14] <akiva_>	 p858snake: andre__ Relevant: http://xkcd.com/1172/ 
[10:59:48] <andre__>	 Nah. https://xkcd.com/927/
[11:07:26] <akiva_>	 andre__: lol
[11:08:38] <Gronolly>	 So I installed echo. Works good. Is there a way to force mediawiki to use the base browser style UI everywhere? 
[11:09:28] <Gronolly>	 Like, removing the mediawiki ui and other styles that bundles with mw. I see a lot of .less and .css files.
[11:15:07] <Xatenev>	 Mediawiki search is so broken
[11:15:08] <Xatenev>	 Wow.
[11:17:40] <Reedy>	 That's nice
[11:17:58] <Xatenev>	 Not really :/
[11:18:09] <Xatenev>	 It would be cool if it would work with german umlauts
[11:18:25] <Reedy>	 MW search is vague
[11:18:31] <Reedy>	 Default search using MySQL is crap
[11:18:35] <Xatenev>	 Yeap
[11:18:38] <Xatenev>	 Thats what i maen
[11:18:39] <Xatenev>	 mean
[11:18:52] <Xatenev>	 I created a fix to make it work iwth umlauts, but its not working yet sadly
[11:19:11] <Xatenev>	 SELECT page_id,page_namespace,page_title FROM `page`,`searchindex` WHERE (page_id=si_page) AND ( MATCH(si_title) AGAINST('+mustervertru8c3a4ge +mustervertraege ' IN BOOLEAN MODE) ) AND page_namespace = '0' LIMIT 20 should list me a page called "Mustervertraege" but it doesn't.
[11:19:17] <Reedy>	 Please make sure you submit it to gerrit!
[11:19:46] <gry>	 I read it as 'please make sure you submit it to sheriff' and was like 'wat'. D'oh.
[11:20:09] <Reedy>	 gry: That'd be an awesome name for a CR controller
[11:20:54] <gry>	 Alas, my brain can't invent an awesome way to read 'CR' as. I simply don't know what it is. Hmm...
[11:21:12] <Reedy>	 crap redactor
[11:21:14] <Reedy>	 code review
[11:22:40] <gry>	 Oooh. Yes, I concur with what you said now. :)
[13:23:57] <medirc>	 How to hash the password during login in mediawiki?
[13:24:50] <medirc>	 I can see the password in *clear text* in Wireshark
[13:28:35] <medirc>	 How do I hash the password client side before sending it?
[13:28:39] <Hello71>	 use HTTPS.
[13:41:45] <medirc>	 Hello71: Thank you, but is there a way to tell mediawiki to use MD5 or other hashing algorithms through JavaScript?
[13:42:33] <medirc>	 setting up HTTPS is difficult
[13:43:12] <Hello71>	 that's not secure
[13:46:08] <medirc>	 Hello71: okay, will try to set up let's encrypt certs
[13:46:52] <medirc>	 And is there a way to disable autofill entirely on mediawiki or at least on pages like Special:UserLogin?
[13:50:18] <medirc>	 Please point me on how to set autocomplete="off" in all forms in mediawiki
[13:51:30] <andre__>	 medirc: that request makes no sense, as basically every web browser nowadays ignores  autocomplete="off"
[13:51:51] <andre__>	 it's up to users and their settings in their browsers what should be remembered or not.
[13:52:40] <andre__>	 I don't see any good reasons why you as a wiki admin would want to dictate users which login data their browsers store or not.
[13:58:15] <medirc>	 andre__: I was trying to secure the wiki. But you are right, it's up to users.
[13:59:56] <andre__>	 medirc: then use HTTPS.
[14:07:05] <medirc>	 andre__: yes, will do that. Should I need to change the $wgServer value to https://mywiki.org from http://mywiki.org after setting up lets encrypt?
[16:02:16] <Yaron>	 Shit... someone hacked into my mediawiki.org account.
[16:02:30] <Yaron>	 Looks like it was about 20 minutes ago.
[16:02:56] <Yaron>	 Now I can't log in, plus it looks like I vandalized the site - and as a result, I'm blocked.
[16:02:58] <Yaron>	 :(
[16:03:25] <Yaron>	 I don't know how this could have happened, but I definitely did not do the vandalism.
[16:03:34] <Yaron>	 Can anyone here help? Is this the wrong place to ask?
[16:04:04] <Skizzerz>	 hi
[16:04:10] <Yaron>	 Hello.
[16:04:50] <Niharika>	 Yaron: Jamesofur might be able to help but I don't know when he'll be around. 
[16:04:52] <Yaron>	 Oh, I guess it's not really vandalism... quasi-vandalism.
[16:04:56] <Skizzerz>	 Yaron: it was a global block
[16:05:09] <Xatenev>	 guuys
[16:05:33] <Xatenev>	 Anybody of mediawiki internals around
[16:05:34] <Xatenev>	 :(
[16:05:42] <Xatenev>	 I rly need some help :P
[16:05:43] <Xatenev>	 Im so lost
[16:05:56] <Niharika>	 Xatenev: Mediawiki internals? Please just post your question directly.
[16:06:10] <Yaron>	 Niharika: alright.
[16:06:13] <Yaron>	 Skizzerz: yes.
[16:06:27] <Skizzerz>	 Yaron: you can go to Special:PasswordReset to have a new password emailed to you, hopefully the attacker didn't change your email
[16:06:35] <Xatenev>	 The mediawiki page search is broken with umlauts.
[16:06:36] <Skizzerz>	 if that doesn't work, you'll probably need to contact the stewards
[16:06:50] <Xatenev>	 Well atleast for wikipedia if I search for Ä It searches for page titles with AE and Ä
[16:06:55] <Xatenev>	 Not for my local mediawiki though.
[16:07:03] <Xatenev>	 It only searches for Ä => Ä and AE => AE
[16:07:04] <Yaron>	 Skizzerz: I just tried that, although I didn't get an email...
[16:07:10] <Skizzerz>	 :(
[16:07:14] <Xatenev>	 Is there any possibility to make Ä => Ä & AE
[16:07:21] <Yaron>	 Maybe whoever did it changed the email address too?
[16:07:40] <Yaron>	 That's assuming I have an email address set for mediawiki.org - I'm not 100% sure about that.
[16:07:48] <Yaron>	 Skizzerz: who are the stewards?
[16:08:46] <Skizzerz>	 #wikimedia-stewards 
[16:08:50] <Xatenev>	 I tried to change the mediawiki internal function inside includes/search/SearchMySQL
[16:08:54] <Skizzerz>	 there's a list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards
[16:08:55] <Xatenev>	 protected function searchInternal
[16:09:16] <Skizzerz>	 (also a command that probably masspings them if you need to get their attention)
[16:09:30] <Xatenev>	 from MATCH(XYZ) against ('+ä') I made it like this: MATCH(XYZ) against ('+ä +ae') but this doesnt work of course
[16:09:35] <Skizzerz>	 Xatenev: I take it you're using the default mysql fulltext search, which isn't very well featured
[16:09:39] <Skizzerz>	 wikipedia uses Elastic Search
[16:09:42] <Xatenev>	 Skizzerz: ok
[16:09:50] <Skizzerz>	 which requires additional setup, but does searching a lot more intelligently
[16:09:50] <Xatenev>	 How the fuck can I make it search for umlauts correctly
[16:09:53] <Xatenev>	 Ä => AE & Ä
[16:09:56] <Xatenev>	 or is this juist not possible at all?
[16:10:53] <Skizzerz>	 using the default search, it depends on your table collation
[16:11:04] <Skizzerz>	 there is nothing you can do in the mediawiki code itself to make it work/not work, it's all on mysql's end
[16:11:47] <Skizzerz>	 you can also try installing elastic search and its extension for mediawiki, which is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CirrusSearch
[16:15:08] <Niharika>	 Xatenev: For starters, you can file a ticket for it in Phab. 
[18:47:54] <bawolff>	 Yaron: Do you mind if I pm you?
[19:06:22] <Yaron>	 bawolff: sorry, I only saw this now. Yes, feel free.
[19:06:48] <Yaron>	 That is, no, I don't mind.
[23:21:40] <k-man>	 is there a way to upload media to mediawiki by pasting from the windows clipboard?
[23:23:22] <bawolff>	 don't think so
[23:27:09] <MatmaRex>	 no, there's a patch somewhere that implemented it though, i think
[23:31:42] <bawolff>	 legoktm: Stupid question - I'm not familiar with how the caching of RL modules. gerrit change 321586 (Oath combine one module) won't break in the face of caching of old pages right?
[23:34:09] <k-man>	 i found this: http://wikiup.se/Main_Page