[00:18:50] * kim_bruning hasn't seen many questions that were really THAT delicate, but it could happen I guess.... [01:15:13] Hi. I would like to create, manage, and control my own wiki. However, I don't have enough technical knowledge to install MediaWiki myself. All free hosts I've looked at don't give users complete configuration access. What do I do now? [01:16:30] MatthewPW: you can try https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Software_bundles [01:18:00] I've looked at that to. Most of those either still require confusing installation and/or come with absolutely no extensions at all. Basically, I want to manage my own wiki and add extensions and other features freely, but physically can't program the software myself [01:22:20] well, it isn't that hard to setup (unless you require VisualEditor or other complex extensions), but you need a basic understanding of how a webserver works and basic configuration [01:22:58] I guess finding a good tutorial about the basics of publishing a website using a local apache instance would help [01:23:32] I don't need VE, but I do need extensions beyond the default MediaWiki configuration [01:23:53] Besides, I don't know much about coding, but I'm in love with the MW software [01:24:27] you don't need to code to install MediaWiki or extensions [01:25:08] Umm... just about everything I've seen involves a file by the name of "LocalSettings.php", which looks like a whole lot of coding to me [01:25:14] well, editing LocalSettings.php can allegedly be considered as "coding" ;) but take that as configuration [01:25:49] Yeah, that's the part I'm not good at [01:25:55] I don't have a code editor [01:26:14] And I just don't have a clue where to go after downloading the initial compressed file [01:26:37] Which I haven't done yet, btw [01:27:59] !install [01:27:59] Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [01:28:20] try following the installation guide [01:28:40] The installation manual is confusing [01:28:43] if you have specific questions/problems feel free to ask for help here :) [01:29:17] That's why I've looked at some of the free hosts you offer, but almost all of them have "Staff" or the like running the place and they won't give you full access to the settings [01:31:23] that's usually the problem with free hosts [01:32:13] So that's why I want to install MediaWiki myself somehow, but don't have a clue how [01:32:38] Maybe bitnami will help you [01:32:51] What's that? [01:32:54] Search for "bitnami mediawiki" they have virtual machine images with mediawiki preconfigured [01:33:10] then I guess you just have to add the extensions yourself [01:33:20] What's a "virtual machine image" [01:33:43] And I would like to add extensions myself without dealing with the LocalSettings.php coding that I don't understand [01:40:56] Well, the bitnami is nothing but free [01:42:22] Oops, it's ANYTHING but free [01:42:30] So it costs big bucks [01:58:50] Bitnami has terribly outdated configs [01:59:04] last time I tried, they were atleast 3 major versions behind [02:00:21] With mediawiki, if you wanna host it yourself, you're going to have to get to learn system operations/Administration. You can get a $5 DO instance, put Nginx and PHP7.0-FPM (ondemand mode), and MySQL, and blam, fast cheap mw server [02:00:50] Though they already left, so, that information is lost forever. [02:02:32] If Mediawiki ever has something like Installation Profiles, that would all be automatable :^) [02:22:48] MW installation and maintenance is still a hassle, AFAIK [02:22:51] it's not super-hard [02:23:35] but not like joomla where -post install- you have an admin interface where you can just add mods and stuff [02:23:44] (unless something major has changed while I wasn't looking) [02:24:02] s/mods/extensions/ [03:59:50] The install is easy, but yeah setting it all up right and making sure there's proper backups and such requires some skill. [04:03:08] I'm still wondering what a good 3rd party backup system would be, that doesn't cost anything for small-medium wiki's of course. [04:06:06] I had an idea for something like a chef GUI that had configurable profiles. Basically it could auto-backup the database and specific folders/files to your local system, along with other conveniences. Just an idea though. [15:36:04] Hi [15:36:46] From a technical perspective, can mediawiki be configured to have an "content-rater" user group? [15:37:31] Depends what the content-rater group is supposed to do [15:37:43] You can make as many arbitary groups as you want [15:39:03] Reedy: "content-rater" would be responsible for maintaining the image-filter list [15:39:14] What image filter list? [15:39:17] Some Wikipedias implement a list of high-risk images [15:39:24] What are they? [15:39:40] English Wikipedia for one [15:39:47] Link? [15:39:49] maintains a list of 'shock' images [15:40:19] If you're wanting a group that can edit only one page... MW restrictions don't work like that unless you were to protect it only to that group [15:40:19] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Bad_image_list [15:40:53] Reedy: Then that's probably what I am looking for [15:41:18] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Bad_image_list for the explanation [15:45:46] Presumably it's also possible to set up a user group which isn't allowed to see images on the bad image list [15:46:15] Anything is possible if you code it, yes [15:46:19] Currently the software doesn't ask for a date of birth [15:46:26] when setting up an account [15:48:54] It was my view that you could use a set DOB in the software to add or remove certain users from a "content-filtered" list [15:49:24] user in the "content-filtered" list would not be shown images on te Bad_image_list [15:55:42] I'll just leave this here in case if someone with core +2 rights would like to take a look at it: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/322039/ [16:12:34] ShakespeareFan00, you want us to write censorship software? [16:22:14] Krenair: "Classifcation" [16:22:19] not censorship [16:22:51] In any case asking for a DOB would have other issues [16:22:51] what's the difference? [16:23:30] Krenair: You aren't stopping those entitled to see the content subject to classifcation from doing so [16:24:53] you're saying censorship doesn't allow people entitled to see content to actually see it? [16:24:59] how do you think censorship systems work? [16:25:40] With systems deemed 'censorship' you are equally restricting normally [16:26:24] you are what? [16:26:54] Censorship denies access to certain groups [16:27:58] Classifcation normally only denies access to those NOT entitled to see the content concerned [16:28:20] I accept that some people will see this as the same thing [16:29:35] your descriptions don't sound very different [16:29:43] in any case you won't get any help with this here, please leave [16:31:24] You are saying that 'classifcation' is WONTFIX in mediawiki? [16:31:43] Fair enough [16:33:17] certainly for core [20:06:06] Hi.Does anyone know when the 1.28 update is going to be released? [20:18:11] quit: hi [20:18:14] Woops [21:18:00] Reception|away: I believe it's pretty soon