[06:21:26] <HoloIRCUser4>	 Hi everyone. I am shivam. I am new in gci. Where should I start from?
[06:23:21] <prtksxna>	 HoloIRCUser4: Hi Shivam
[06:23:56] <prtksxna>	 HoloIRCUser4: There are beginner tasks on the GCI website. Joining and talking on IRC is one of them :)
[06:26:33] <HoloIRCUser4>	 @prtksxna: thanks prtksxna. By the way what's your real name???
[06:27:59] <prtksxna>	 HoloIRCUser4: Prateek
[06:30:23] <legoktm>	 prtksxna: to be honest, in my head your real name is prtksxna
[06:32:28] <prtksxna>	 legoktm: :P 
[06:35:27] <prtksxna>	 legoktm: What'll happen if I switch to badsambhar or something, like matt_flaschen  boldly did
[06:37:11] <legoktm>	 prtksxna: you'll be dead to me. ;)
[06:37:14] <legoktm>	 RIP superm401
[06:38:22] <prtksxna>	 hah
[06:38:24] * legoktm afk
[06:51:01] <HoloIRCUser4>	 Anybody here
[09:52:04] <Ismaeel>	 Hello everyone,I am from Mauritius and I have 17 years old.
[09:54:00] <saper>	 hi Ismael, how are you doing
[09:54:43] <Ismaeel>	 I'm fine.And you saper?
[09:56:11] <andre__>	 Welcome Ismaeel! Are you here for Google Code-in? :)
[09:56:39] <andre__>	 This channel is still a bit silent at this time so #wikimedia-dev might be also interesting to see how we use IRC as one tool for communication and coordination
[09:56:56] <Ismaeel>	 yes andre__ 
[09:57:18] <andre__>	 great!
[09:58:06] <Ismaeel>	 so do I need to use #wikimedia-dev channel ?
[10:03:11] <Ismaeel>	 hi csyogi 
[10:13:09] <Ismaeel>	 how are you andre__ ?
[10:13:59] <andre__>	 Ismaeel: I'm fine, thanks :)
[10:14:47] <Ismaeel>	 should I use the #wikimedia-dev channel?
[10:16:28] <andre__>	 Ismaeel: Noone can say what you "should" do. :D I just pointed out that other channels are more lively. There are hundreds of channels and you can join whatever channels you want :)
[10:17:09] <Ismaeel>	 okay, Thank you.
[10:17:53] <Ismaeel>	 I will not repeat this again.
[10:19:39] <andre__>	 :)
[10:19:57] <andre__>	 no worries. I'm happy about anybody who joins IRC to get an idea what IRC is and how it works. :)
[10:20:24] <Ismaeel>	 Thank you.
[10:22:03] <Ismaeel>	 IRC is great as it enables to communicate with everyone.
[10:30:06] <Ismaeel>	 Many people also use IRC to seek for solutions to problem.
[10:31:32] <andre__>	 indeed
[10:32:44] <Ismaeel>	 IRC is a useful tool.
[10:38:04] <Ismaeel>	 hi zhuyifei1999_ .
[10:41:58] <zhuyifei1999_>	 hi
[10:42:52] <Ismaeel>	 how are you doing zhuyifei1999_ ?
[10:43:20] <zhuyifei1999_>	 uh why?
[10:44:36] <Ismaeel>	 just asking zhuyifei1999_ .
[10:45:13] <zhuyifei1999_>	 I don't think I know you
[10:45:18] <Ismaeel>	 I'm here for Google code-in.
[10:45:39] <zhuyifei1999_>	 oh ok
[10:46:05] <Ismaeel>	 :)
[10:46:48] <zhuyifei1999_>	 I'm not a mentor this year due to lack of time, but feel free to ask if you have questions
[10:47:20] <Ismaeel>	 sure zhuyifei1999_ .
[10:52:27] <Ismaeel>	 I am doing this task "https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4890181884706816/"to have a knowledge about IRC. 
[10:56:29] * zhuyifei1999_ didn't know ^
[10:57:24] <Ismaeel>	 It's okay.
[10:57:31] <andre__>	 People won't be able to see that link when not having an account on the Google Code-in website. :)
[10:59:02] <zhuyifei1999_>	 andre__: it redirects to https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/5662240669696000/, but I can see that page anyways
[10:59:28] <zhuyifei1999_>	 I mean the redirect target is visible
[11:01:33] <Ismaeel>	 Here is the link to the task I chose :  https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4890181884706816/ 
[11:06:07] <andre__>	 hmm.
[12:23:11] <Guneet>	 hi everyone
[12:23:28] <Guneet>	 i am doing a task in GCI 
[12:23:47] <Guneet>	 and i have a problem regarding the insructions
[12:23:59] <Guneet>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant
[12:24:05] <Guneet>	 this is the link 
[12:24:40] <Guneet>	 there are some git commands which i am not able to follow
[12:24:56] <Guneet>	 like./setup.sh
[12:25:47] <andre__>	 Hi Guneet!
[12:25:57] <andre__>	 What happens when you run "./setup.sh"?
[12:26:34] <Guneet>	 when i type this and it says "./setup.sh: line 23: : command not found ./setup.sh: line 30: : command not0 found"
[12:28:23] <andre__>	 which steps did you exactly perform beforehand? where on that wiki page are you right onw?
[12:28:27] <andre__>	 err "now"
[12:28:37] <Guneet>	 same way when i type "vagrant up"
[12:28:40] <Guneet>	 it says
[12:28:54] <Guneet>	 This Vagrant environment has specified that it requires the Vagrant version to satisfy the following version requirements:    < 1.9.0  You are running Vagrant 1.9.1, which does not satisfy these requirements. Please change your Vagrant version or update the Vagrantfile to allow this Vagrant version. However, be warned that if the Vagrantfile has specified another version, it probably has good reason to do so, and changing that may ca
[12:29:25] <Guneet>	 ion properly.
[12:29:37] <Guneet>	 function properly
[12:29:54] <Guneet>	 can you help me out here
[12:30:19] <andre__>	 Guneet, you did follow the steps on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant right? :)
[12:30:35] <andre__>	 It asks you to download Vagrant 1.8.7 so I wonder why you get a message saying that you run 1.9.1
[12:31:25] <Guneet>	 yes but the link to download it is for latest version that is 1.9.1
[12:31:40] <andre__>	 Guneet: which link exactly, and where?
[12:32:33] <andre__>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant#Quick_start links to 1.8.7 downloads.
[12:32:44] <andre__>	 If another place links to other downloads, please let us know where that other place is.
[12:32:58] <Guneet>	 yes 
[12:33:03] <Guneet>	 it is in the setup
[12:33:12] <Guneet>	 of vagrant folder
[12:33:30] <Guneet>	 the setup says so
[12:33:39] <Guneet>	 it give the link to the site
[12:33:59] <andre__>	 I am lost.
[12:34:14] <andre__>	 Please describe which steps you performed, from the beginning, one by one, and try to be clear.
[12:34:27] <andre__>	 I don't know what "it is in the setup" means, for example.
[12:34:41] <Guneet>	 i open git bash
[12:34:53] <Vulpix>	 maybe the setup checks for updates?
[12:35:21] <Guneet>	 followed the steps the steps from the link
[12:35:36] <Guneet>	 1st step done
[12:35:37] <andre__>	 Guneet: What is "the link"? Please try to be exact.
[12:35:45] <andre__>	 otherwise we all just guess
[12:35:49] <Guneet>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant
[12:35:52] <Guneet>	 this 
[12:35:54] <andre__>	 Alright.
[12:36:05] <Guneet>	 2nd step done
[12:36:05] <andre__>	 Please never write "the link" but always post a URL / the link itself.
[12:36:12] <Guneet>	 ok
[12:36:23] <andre__>	 2nd step in that list is "Linux only".
[12:36:28] <Guneet>	 the problem started from the 3rd one
[12:36:41] <Guneet>	 yes
[12:36:44] <andre__>	 The 3rd item in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant#Quick_start is "Get the latest VirtualBox".
[12:36:56] <Guneet>	 no
[12:37:06] <andre__>	 Yes.
[12:37:26] <andre__>	 I look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant#Quick_start and it says: "3. Get the latest VirtualBox".
[12:37:26] <Guneet>	 then 5th i.e. "Get the code and create your machine:"
[12:37:35] <andre__>	 So that is the third step.
[12:37:58] <andre__>	 If your "3rd step" is not the 3rd step on the wiki page, please explain what your "3rd step" is. :)
[12:38:03] <Guneet>	 the 3rd code gives a problem
[12:38:29] <andre__>	 Guneet, you jumped from the 3rd step to the 5th step now.
[12:38:42] <andre__>	 What about the 3rd and the 4th step on that wikipage?
[12:39:06] <andre__>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant#Quick_start says: "3. Get the latest VirtualBox" and "4. Get Vagrant 1.8.7".
[12:39:12] <Guneet>	 that's the problem 
[12:39:21] <Guneet>	 whre to get vagrant
[12:39:24] <Guneet>	 where
[12:39:57] <Guneet>	 the official site downloads 1.9.1
[12:42:01] <andre__>	 Guneet: what exactly did you do to get to "the official site"? how did you get there?
[12:42:13] <Vulpix>	 Guneet: the steps say "Get Vagrant 1.8.7", where "Get Vagrant 1.8.7" is a link to https://releases.hashicorp.com/vagrant/1.8.7/
[12:42:24] <Vulpix>	 why not follow that link?
[12:42:30] <andre__>	 #4 on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant#Quick_start provides a link to Vagrant 1.8.7.
[12:42:39] <andre__>	 so I don't understand how you end up with 1.9.1.
[12:43:10] <Guneet>	 which option to click on
[12:43:18] <Guneet>	 on your
[12:43:23] <Guneet>	 link
[12:44:19] <andre__>	 Guneet: which operating system are you using?
[12:44:29] <andre__>	 Guneet: Still: What exactly did you do to get to "the official site"? how did you get there?
[12:44:33] <Guneet>	 windows
[12:44:49] <Guneet>	 the setup had a link 
[12:45:04] <andre__>	 Guneet, what "setup" ?
[12:45:23] <Vulpix>	 for windows, follow the "vagrant_1.8.7.msi" link
[12:45:27] <andre__>	 Windows = msi
[12:46:13] <andre__>	 I am going to improve the documentation as it's not really clear. Guneet has a very valid point (though I still don't understand what Guneet did or not did)
[12:49:40] * andre__ edited https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant , hope it's a bit clearer now
[13:00:47] <Sam210[1]>	 Hi.
[13:01:55] <_TWS>	 any idea why I get zero results with search? or why the list of "new pages" doesn't include anything added for the last 3 days?  or why various maintenance reports aren't showing the pages they should?
[13:02:05] <_TWS>	 I feel like there's something on the back end broken, but not sure what
[13:02:39] <andre__>	 _TWS: Sounds like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:JobQueue.php territory
[13:02:53] <andre__>	 uhm wait, that's not a good page
[13:03:05] <andre__>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue I meant.
[13:03:37] <_TWS>	 was gonna say.. interesting page based on the title, but useless information on the page
[13:03:52] <_TWS>	 that's not the first page I've seen like that... what's the point of those pages?
[13:04:24] <Sam210[1]>	 :-)
[13:04:46] <andre__>	 _TWS, first link I posted was for programmers. Second for admins/users.
[13:05:27] <_TWS>	 even for devs, that page looks a little useless... it tells nothing about the Job class other than the fact that it exists
[13:06:18] <andre__>	 See the header.
[13:06:39] <andre__>	 I guess there are enough outdated pages on wikis...
[13:06:56] <_TWS>	 so, my wiki is constipated... i see I can run it from the command line, but where would I look to get an indication as to why a job isn't running on every page load the way it's supposed to?
[13:06:58] <andre__>	 Someone once thought that something is helpful so they created a page. :P
[13:09:14] <_TWS>	 hrrm... runjobs.php ddin't help
[13:34:38] <Sam210[1]>	 @really Why do you keep joining and leaving?
[13:35:26] <really>	 I'm sorry.. I didn't do that on purpose :[. I don't know why is this happening..
[13:35:51] <Sam210[1]>	 Oh
[13:36:01] <really>	 Hm. Do you know why?
[13:36:22] <Sam210[1]>	 Nope. Sorry.
[13:38:18] <jubo2>	 y0.. I need to migrate a few MediaWikis
[13:38:36] <jubo2>	 THey are git pulled from the 1.28 tree
[13:38:47] <jubo2>	 but people are telling me that's not wise
[13:39:04] <jubo2>	 Can I move from 1.28-alpha to 1.27 somehow
[13:48:24] <Vulpix>	 jubo2: no, downgrade is not possible
[13:48:40] <Vulpix>	 but you can move to 1.28.0 which is stable
[13:53:42] <_TWS>	 still not having any luck... Special:AncientPages is only listing the Main Page.  Same thing for short pages, long pages, and others
[13:54:27] <_TWS>	 and searching always comes back with zero results
[13:56:58] <jubo2>	 Vulpix: ok
[13:57:29] <jubo2>	 Vulpix: Is it possible to wait for the 1.28 to become the standard and then move to use that stable tree?
[13:58:27] <jubo2>	 Another question: Which method of enabling processing .php is used by the Wikimedia ?
[13:58:47] <jubo2>	 As I understand it there are various ways of handling .php
[13:59:03] <jubo2>	 I would like an arrangement as similar as WMF has
[14:02:59] <Vulpix>	 jubo2: what do you mean by "become the standard"? 1.28.0 is the latest stable release
[14:04:03] <Vulpix>	 if I understand correctly, you're using 1.28-alpha, which is an "alpha" and not a final release https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Alpha
[14:07:24] <jubo2>	 Vulpix: Hold on.. I check
[14:08:10] <jubo2>	 Vulpix: 1.28.0-alpha (891262f)
[14:08:34] <jubo2>	 cloning into the development branch was a stupid move. I want to undo it
[14:08:54] <Vulpix>	 jubo2: switch to REL1_28 branch
[14:09:23] <jubo2>	 and besides there is going to be reinstalling etc. coz I'm moving a bunch of services to this one "renewables only" hosting guys
[14:09:49] <jubo2>	 Vulpix: Got instaructions on how to do that (swithch to REL1_28 branch) ?
[14:22:05] <Vulpix>	 jubo2: so you "cloned" using git, no? just "git checkout REL1_28"
[14:28:07] <Mxchael>	 hi, after updating from 1.27 to 1.28 I'm getting a error "badcachekey" from the api when saving with VisualEditor
[14:28:55] <Mxchael>	 anyone know why it throws this error or how to fix it?
[14:46:42] <jubo2>	 Vulpix: yeah.. I just cloned into the master
[14:46:54] <jubo2>	 that was a dumb move now thinking about it
[15:10:44] <jubo2>	 If I try a clean install (install MW, plugins and skins) and upload the database from 1.28-alpha into that. What will likely happen?
[15:17:00] <Vulpix>	 jubo2: a 1.28-alpha database to a 1.28.0 installation will work, run update.php just in case. Using 1.28-alpha to 1.27 will probably break and you can't fix that
[16:33:04] <_TWS>	 oh, this is idiotic... is my use of namespaces preventing search from working?  
[16:35:35] <_TWS>	 apparently so... "A custom namespace can be used to hold content that should not be shown on the search results page"
[16:37:53] <_TWS>	 and not as important, but is this also preventing pages from showing up in the various SpecialPages, such as the maintenance reports and allpages?
[16:39:34] <Vulpix>	 Special:Allpages has a filter for namespace. Only main namespace is displayed by default, but you can select any other individual namespace
[16:40:12] <Vulpix>	 but in general, all special pages work on all namespaces
[16:40:25] <Yvette>	 Is that true?
[16:40:52] <Yvette>	 Depends on miser mode, maybe? Some Special pages are kind of expensive to filter.
[16:42:05] <Vulpix>	 the page table has a field just for the namespace, part of primary key, so I don't think filtering by namespace would impact anything
[16:42:47] <Vulpix>	 if only one namespace is using for the filter, which is usually the case
[16:42:52] <Vulpix>	 *used
[17:30:54] <_TWS>	 looks like I'm getting rid of my namespaces...
[17:33:10] <_TWS>	 so that means I can't use lockdown.  what other options are there for protecting some content from prying eyes?
[17:34:31] <Vulpix>	 using a wiki engine like MediaWiki is probably not one of those options ;)
[17:40:01] <_TWS>	 well, between LDAP authentication and Lockdown, it's starting to look pretty good, but the built-in stuff like Groups and Namespaces are a little strange to wrap my head around
[18:24:37] <DarkFeather>	 Anyone here familiar with using MediaWiki:Common.js to inject custom mobile icons into <head /> in the HTML? My current statement is dumping it as some weird span tag.
[18:38:54] <Georggi>	 legoktm, updated
[18:41:04] <legoktm>	 looking in a few min
[18:42:59] <DarkFeather>	 Current statement is commented on https://aninix.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js -- line 4 or so
[18:45:05] <legoktm>	 Georggi: sorry, when I said remove $query, I literally meant that...the [ 'action' => 'edit' ] part needs to stay. Just the "$query=" part needs to go
[18:45:24] <Georggi>	 oh, ok, 5 min
[18:45:45] <legoktm>	 everything else looks good though
[18:48:05] <Vulpix>	 DarkFeather: the script works when run from the browser's console
[18:49:24] <Vulpix>	 DarkFeather: other thing is that the mobile icon might simply not work when added from JavaScript :)
[18:49:36] <Georggi>	 Updated it
[18:54:52] <DarkFeather>	 Vulpix: Shift-F5 to load the page, inspect source. I get the tag inside a span tag.
[18:57:38] <Vulpix>	 that shouldn't happen, the script is clear: put that inside the "head" tag...
[19:14:28] <DarkFeather>	 Vulpix: I've put it back and we'll see what happens.
[19:26:20] <DarkFeather>	 Vulpix: In Chrome: view-source:https://aninix.net/wiki/Main_Page -> Ctrl+F -> Apple -> Nothing. I have a job that runs every 15 minutes in cron and knocks off all waiting maintenance jobs.
[19:27:26] <DarkFeather>	 Is it that I don't have it an onLoad function?
[19:29:59] <Vulpix>	 DarkFeather: view-source gets the source as it comes from the server, without running JavaScript
[19:31:01] <Vulpix>	 still, there's some error here
[19:31:07] <legoktm>	 use your inspector if you want to see the live dom
[19:31:10] <Vulpix>	 > ReferenceError: importScript is not defined ReferenceError: importScript is not defined
[19:31:27] <Vulpix>	 DarkFeather: hit F12 and enjoy :)
[19:32:33] <Vulpix>	 DarkFeather: also, please don't try to use PHP functions in JavaScript
[19:33:17] <Vulpix>	 also, what you've added now probably won't work on PHP neither
[19:36:10] <DarkFeather>	 So, I forget where I pulled the importScript line. Yanked it out now.
[19:41:58] <DarkFeather>	 OK, new problem. Set $wgHooks['BeforePageDisplay'][] ='onBeforePageDisplay'; to my LocalSettings.php ... What do I have to define that function as?
[19:42:27] <Vulpix>	 !hook BeforePageDisplay
[19:42:27] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/BeforePageDisplay
[19:43:34] <DarkFeather>	 Uh-huh. I removed the hook line (caused a PHP crash), and the Javascript is now loaded.
[19:44:04] <DarkFeather>	 But not executed. Take a look at https://aninix.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js. I have the two arguments.
[19:44:46] <Skizzerz>	 DarkFeather: hooks are php code, not js code
[19:44:56] <Skizzerz>	 you cannot write hook functions on-wiki
[19:45:06] <Skizzerz>	 they have to be in some .php file
[19:45:24] <Skizzerz>	 see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions for more details
[19:45:26] <DarkFeather>	 So its the Stack Overflow I'm missing.
[19:45:31] <DarkFeather>	 *misreading
[19:46:09] <Skizzerz>	 or https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Developing_extensions rather
[19:46:55] <Vulpix>	 that function definition goes to LocalSettings.php, along with the $wgHooks line you posted before
[19:47:07] <Vulpix>	 !class OutputPage
[19:47:07] <wm-bot>	 See https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/classOutputPage.html
[19:48:46] <DarkFeather>	 That worked. I'm being silly.
[19:48:51] <DarkFeather>	 Thanks, all.
[19:55:00] <bawolff>	 Skizzerz: Just as an aside, js has its own notion of hooks as well
[20:02:03] <Skizzerz>	 bawolff: not $wgHooks though :)
[20:04:46] <bawolff>	 true :)
[20:35:23] <Shatojon>	 Hello :)
[20:36:06] <Shatojon>	 I'm trying to create something where there's an image on the left and an image on the right, and each image has a title above it and a description below it. Like this; http://i.imgur.com/Es45Rrp.png
[20:36:12] <Shatojon>	 Could anyone elaborate a little on how to achieve this?
[20:36:32] <Shatojon>	 In HTML I'd create two divs, float them next to each other and inside each div I could simply do title>image>text - on Mediawiki, I'm not too sure how to achieve that.
[20:36:38] <Skizzerz>	 same way
[20:36:42] <Skizzerz>	 you can use <div> in mediawiki
[20:36:54] <Reedy>	 Table? lols
[20:37:01] <Skizzerz>	 table would also work but eww
[20:37:03] <Shatojon>	 It's OK to use divs in mediawiki?
[20:37:09] <Shatojon>	 Where do I put my HTML? :)
[20:37:13] <Reedy>	 in the wikitext
[20:37:20] <Shatojon>	 Sorry, I'm not sure what that is.
[20:37:24] <Skizzerz>	 click edit page
[20:37:28] <Skizzerz>	 put it in the box that appears
[20:37:30] <Shatojon>	 Yup, I'mm in there.
[20:37:31] <Reedy>	 MediaWiki is great at try it and see
[20:37:39] <Shatojon>	 Ahh in the editor? I can use the editor as I would any html document?
[20:37:40] <Skizzerz>	 not every HTML tag is allowed, and not every CSS/style attribute is allowed
[20:37:48] <Shatojon>	 Alright, I'll give it a try. Thanks :)
[20:37:51] <Skizzerz>	 but <div> and float styles are whitelisted
[20:38:04] <Skizzerz>	 for the images, use [[File:Image name.png]]
[20:38:27] <Skizzerz>	 (after uploading that file to your wiki)
[20:38:39] <Shatojon>	 Cool, thank you :)
[20:38:51] <Shatojon>	 Do I *have* to use [[File:]] for images?
[20:38:53] <Skizzerz>	 (unlike div, <img> is *not* allowed in wikitext)
[20:39:29] <Skizzerz>	 assuming a default configuration, yes, you must use [[File:]]
[20:39:34] <Shatojon>	 Ahh, okay.
[20:39:53] <Shatojon>	 Right now, our wiki sets a thick black border around images by default - probably something our marketing firm setup - where would I go to modify these settings?
[20:40:18] <Skizzerz>	 no idea
[20:40:26] <Skizzerz>	 there are a few places to check
[20:40:33] <Skizzerz>	 1. if you're using a custom skin, it may be in the skin css
[20:40:43] <Skizzerz>	 that is not editable on-wiki, and is an actual .css file on the filesystem
[20:41:01] <Skizzerz>	 2. it may be in MediaWiki:Common.css or MediaWiki:Skinname.css (replace Skinname with the name of your skin)
[20:41:02] <Shatojon>	 Ahh, alright.
[20:41:09] <Shatojon>	 I'll ask, thank you :)
[20:41:09] <Skizzerz>	 both of those are pages on the wiki, and you need admin access to edit them
[20:41:32] <Skizzerz>	 easiest way to check is to inspect the element in your browser's debug console to figure out where the css rule is coming from
[20:41:52] <Skizzerz>	 in any event, the MediaWiki:Common.css page is loaded after skin css files
[20:42:29] <Skizzerz>	 so you can edit that page to make local modifications (such as saying that .borderless img has no border; then do <div class="borderless">[[File:Image.png]]</div>)
[20:43:45] <Shatojon>	 I can see the border's property in the inspect element window, however, I'm not sure how to figure out what stylesheet it is. http://i.imgur.com/baPbhUo.png
[20:44:05] <Skizzerz>	 ah right, forgot about RL
[20:44:11] <Shatojon>	 But I like your idea better actually.
[20:44:18] <Shatojon>	 Making exceptions to the general template, rather than modifying the template as a whole.
[20:44:21] <Skizzerz>	 add &debug=1 to your URL and reload the page (or ?debug=1 if it doesn't have a query string)
[20:44:35] <Shatojon>	 We likely want our borders on certain pages such as http://i.imgur.com/zdCwPfr.png
[20:44:45] <Shatojon>	 I'll create a .borderlessImg class
[20:46:25] <Shatojon>	 No success. :(
[20:46:32] <Shatojon>	 http://i.imgur.com/hRjbGAu.png
[20:46:44] <Shatojon>	 http://i.imgur.com/tzmTff5.png
[20:47:08] <Shatojon>	 http://i.imgur.com/UFtRUWE.png
[20:47:11] <Shatojon>	 Still bordering.
[20:47:47] <Skizzerz>	 .borderlessimg img
[20:48:01] <Skizzerz>	 your rule atm is saying that the <span> tag has no border
[20:48:11] <Skizzerz>	 when you really want the <img> tag inside of the span to have no border
[20:48:13] <Shatojon>	 Ahh snap, thanks
[20:48:26] <Shatojon>	 Yisss!
[20:48:28] <Shatojon>	 Thank you Skizzerz ! :)
[20:49:46] <Skizzerz>	 oh
[20:49:54] <Skizzerz>	 apparently you can also apply the class on the image itself too
[20:49:59] <Skizzerz>	 [[File:Image.png|class=blah]]
[20:50:20] <Shatojon>	 Oh neat!
[20:50:22] <Shatojon>	 I'll do that, cleaner.
[20:50:33] <Skizzerz>	 see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images for full syntax details
[20:50:38] <Skizzerz>	 [[File:]] has a LOT of different options
[20:50:45] <Shatojon>	 Is it
[20:50:47] <Shatojon>	 class='class'
[20:50:49] <Shatojon>	 or class=class
[20:51:03] <bawolff>	 no quotes
[20:51:05] <Skizzerz>	 class=class
[20:51:09] <Shatojon>	 It isn't working for me.
[20:51:16] <Skizzerz>	 1. refresh your cache
[20:51:19] <Skizzerz>	 2. what is your css rule?
[20:51:30] <Shatojon>	 http://i.imgur.com/jkcUZCw.png
[20:51:35] <Skizzerz>	 remember that the one that adds the border is .main-content img, so your rule needs more specifity than that
[20:51:39] <Shatojon>	 http://i.imgur.com/spC4dcZ.png
[20:51:52] <Skizzerz>	 ok in THAT case
[20:51:58] <Skizzerz>	 you want the rule to just be .borderlessimg
[20:52:00] <Skizzerz>	 no img after
[20:52:04] <Shatojon>	 Ahh right
[20:52:09] <Shatojon>	 Cuz we're applying it to the img directly with [[File:
[20:52:14] <Skizzerz>	 yes
[20:52:29] <Shatojon>	 Sorry, this is my first time with MediaWiki and we need to get this wiki out by the end of the week for our release, otherwise I'd go thru some tutorials. I really appreciate the help & sorry for the dumb questions, hehe.
[20:52:50] <Skizzerz>	 well, that's just basic CSS selectors, nothing specific to mediawiki :)
[20:53:26] <Shatojon>	 Yeah, it's the [[File thing I was talking about
[20:53:47] <Shatojon>	 So my CSS is .borderlessimg { border: none; }
[20:53:54] <Shatojon>	 And the image is [[File:BeginnersGuide.png|class=borderlessimg]]
[20:54:00] <Shatojon>	 Not working though
[20:54:35] <Skizzerz>	 ok so open it up in the debug browser
[20:54:42] <Skizzerz>	 see if that rule is there, and if it is, if it's being crossed out
[20:54:53] <Skizzerz>	 *browser debug window
[20:55:12] <Skizzerz>	 also verify that the generated <img> tag indeed has that class
[20:56:15] <Shatojon>	 It's being overwritten by the .main-content img { border }
[20:56:35] <Shatojon>	 http://i.imgur.com/H3RsEPS.png
[20:56:57] <Skizzerz>	 ok yeah
[20:57:04] <Skizzerz>	 so that's specifity biting you in the butt
[20:57:11] <Skizzerz>	 try making the rule img.borderlessimg
[20:57:17] <Skizzerz>	 or .main-content img.borderlessimg
[20:57:25] <Shatojon>	 yep
[20:57:27] <Shatojon>	 that fixes it
[20:58:38] <Shatojon>	 Hey thanks a lot Skizzerz  :)
[20:59:17] <Shatojon>	 Is it possible to "Save and continue working" instead of "Save and have to click edit again"?
[20:59:20] <Shatojon>	 I like working with two windows
[21:01:29] <Skizzerz>	 not by default
[21:01:34] <Skizzerz>	 but there is "Show Preview"
[21:01:45] <Skizzerz>	 which lets you see what you have without saving, and lets you continue editing as well
[21:02:10] <Skizzerz>	 there is also this extension I wrote ages ago which does exactly that: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Checkpoint
[21:02:13] <Shatojon>	 Yeah I figured, it's useful being able to see the page surrounded by the rest of the content though.
[21:02:17] <Shatojon>	 Oh nice
[21:02:19] <Skizzerz>	 I have no idea if it works with recent mediawiki or how well it works
[21:02:33] <Shatojon>	 Is it bad practice to use <a href> to link to a page instead of [[ ]]?
[21:02:38] <Skizzerz>	 yes
[21:02:43] <Skizzerz>	 <a> is also not allowed in wikitext
[21:02:45] <Shatojon>	 I guess I can use
[21:02:51] <Skizzerz>	 :)
[21:02:51] <Shatojon>	 [[blabla|class=classsss]] ?
[21:03:01] <Skizzerz>	 uhhhh
[21:04:03] <Skizzerz>	 Shatojon: no
[21:04:05] <Skizzerz>	 that will not work
[21:04:13] <Skizzerz>	 you need to wrap the link in a <span> or <div> with that class
[21:04:14] <Shatojon>	 Ahh
[21:04:16] <Shatojon>	 Alright
[21:04:45] <Skizzerz>	 this is because [[blabla|class=blah]] translates to <a href="/wiki/blabla">class=blah</a>
[21:04:54] <Skizzerz>	 aka the thing after the pipe is what the link text is
[21:05:22] <Skizzerz>	 If you'll be doing it a lot, consider making a template
[21:06:16] <Skizzerz>	 so if you're doing <span class="speciallink">[[My link|text]]</span> a lot, make a page Template:Speciallink with the contents <span class="speciallink">[[{{{1}}}|{{{2|{{{1}}}}}}]]</span>
[21:06:19] <Shatojon>	 I'll have to look those up, yep
[21:06:35] <Skizzerz>	 after you save that page, you can put on your regular page {{speciallink|blabla}}
[21:06:44] <Skizzerz>	 or {{speciallink|blabla|link text}}
[21:07:31] <Skizzerz>	 and it'll expand out to the appropriate span+link
[21:07:39] <Shatojon>	 Makes sense
[21:08:00] <Skizzerz>	 the voodoo in there is {{{1}}} is the first parameter to the template, {{{2}}} is the second
[21:08:15] <Skizzerz>	 the | in 2 means that if there is no second argument, use whatever is after the pipe as the default value
[21:08:22] <Skizzerz>	 which in this case is the first parameter again
[21:12:00] <Shatojon>	 Getting there, thanks man :) http://i.imgur.com/mD5jWvG.png
[21:12:06] <Shatojon>	 Are you much of a PC gamer, Skizzerz ?
[21:13:52] <Skizzerz>	 yes?
[21:13:58] <Shatojon>	 Steam gamer?
[21:14:00] <Skizzerz>	 I play a bit here and there
[21:14:09] <Skizzerz>	 I don't have time to play a lot though
[21:14:10] <Shatojon>	 How do you feel about RTS/colony/building games?
[21:14:15] <Skizzerz>	 not a fan
[21:14:18] <Shatojon>	 Aw!
[21:14:23] <Shatojon>	 I was wanting to give you a key to our game to thank you :)
[21:14:41] <Skizzerz>	 what's it called?
[21:14:48] <Shatojon>	 Castle Story :)
[21:15:41] <Skizzerz>	 maybe my definition of RTS is different than yours
[21:15:56] <Skizzerz>	 I think of games like warcraft/starcraft
[21:16:00] <Skizzerz>	 when that term is used
[21:16:26] <Skizzerz>	 or is that similar to this?
[21:16:36] <Shatojon>	 Sorta kinda :)
[21:16:42] <Shatojon>	 But not really
[21:16:46] <Shatojon>	 It's more like uhh
[21:16:52] <Skizzerz>	 dwarf fortress?
[21:16:53] <Shatojon>	 Minecraft, but you control a colony
[21:17:01] <Shatojon>	 And enemies come to smack you
[21:17:15] <Shatojon>	 It's really a "get resources and design/build a castle that can withstand attacks"
[21:20:43] <Skizzerz>	 Shatojon: anyway, it looks cool, but it's probably not something I'd enjoy playing for very long. Best of luck though, and thanks for the offer :)
[21:22:29] <Skizzerz>	 I know a few of my friends are really into that style of game, so I'll mention it to them
[21:31:45] <Shatojon>	 Awesome, thank you Skizzerz :))
[21:58:57] <Shatojon>	 Is it possible to replace an image with another one?
[21:59:04] <Shatojon>	 Besides deleting the old one and uploading a new one w/ the same name
[22:00:16] <andre__>	 "Upload a new version of this file" ?
[22:00:35] <Shatojon>	 Ahh, thanks
[22:01:09] <Shatojon>	 It doesn't seem to be overwriting it, andre__ .
[22:01:13] <andre__>	 Meh!
[22:02:46] <Vulpix>	 may be a cache problem
[22:03:11] <Shatojon>	 Yeah that was it, thanks :)
[22:55:06] <matt_flaschen>	 legoktm, if my old name was as cool as 'prtksxna', I wouldn't have had to switch. ;)