, and the next line begins with a space for monospace formatting. the one space is optional. the style forces the line break [11:09:43] gry, nice, impressive. Works great, thanks! [11:10:08] you're welcome Blinkiz :) [11:10:22] thanks for using mediawiki at your company internal site! [11:10:42] gry, oh..eehh. your welcome :) [11:13:49] Hii everyone. I m shivam new in gci. [11:32:28] Hello everyone. [11:32:44] I m shivam new in gci [11:33:30] Hi shivamksingh :) [11:35:18] Are you mentor or student? [11:35:34] Hi everyone! [11:36:12] Hello andre__ [11:36:36] Yo! [11:40:37] shivamksingh: I am a mentor [11:44:07] mhutti1: which task should i do? [11:44:26] I don't know programming [11:44:50] shivamksingh: You can start with the beginner tasks such as setting up the medaiwiki development enviroment [11:48:18] I have done all 2 out of 2 beginner task. [11:49:17] shivamksingh: I am not sure what is best then. Try looking and seeing if there is anything you might enjoy doing [11:51:50] Thanks. [13:16:49] Hello everyone [13:17:36] i am doing a code-in task related to vagrant [13:17:59] i have to clone it from the site using git bash [13:18:46] but when i do so it says-"fatal: unable to access 'https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/mediawiki/vagrant/': Couldn't resolve host 'gerrit.wikimedia.org'" [13:20:46] can anyone help [13:21:21] Can you view gerrit in your web browser? [13:26:04] Guneet_: Hi. Which exact step on which wiki page are you at? [13:26:42] nope [13:26:43] lol [13:26:44] hi [13:27:12] well, next question would have been for the result of "ssh -p 29418 your-user-name@gerrit.wikimedia.org" ... [13:27:33] hello there everyone!!!!!! [13:27:33] hi unicorntkd! [13:27:39] andre__: It sounds more like a DNS issue [13:27:43] If it couldn't resolve... [13:28:13] what r u talking about [13:28:15] Yes, it sounds like my cliche of any university network in a certain country. [13:28:37] unicorntkd: that a previous IRC user (who just left) cannot reach the host 'gerrit.wikimedia.org' [13:28:46] that was the conversation before you joined this channel. [13:29:02] ohk [13:31:05] its so boring to stay here for 1hour [13:31:29] Do some reading whilst you're here? [13:31:34] There's lot of useful stuff on mediawiki.org [13:32:31] from where [13:32:39] i am new here [13:33:16] can u tell more about this [13:33:58] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant [13:34:34] these are the instructions for setting up vagrant [13:34:39] Guneet: Are you on a university network, by any chance? [13:34:49] no [13:34:59] its my personal network [13:35:04] oh [13:35:06] Guneet: What is the output of this command: ssh -p 29418 your-user-name@gerrit.wikimedia.org [13:35:11] Guneet, replace "your-user-name" accordingly [13:35:39] hmm [13:35:49] unicorntkd: about IRC? See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_on_IRC :) [13:36:22] thanx [13:36:24] ssh: Could not resolve hostname your-user-guneetconvent2002.wikimedia.org: Name or service not known [13:36:34] this [13:36:45] is the result [13:38:39] what [13:38:47] Guneet: what's your username? [13:39:15] Guneet: I do not think you entered the correct command. [13:39:38] Guneet: please copy and paste the exact command that you entered here. [13:40:03] HOW TO CHANGE NICK HERE [13:40:17] unicorntkd, no need for yelling (capital letters). :) [13:40:44] ops i didnt noticed that caps lock was on [13:40:44] unicorntkd: depends on your IRC client. Most clients support just entering the command "/nick MyNewIRCUserName" [13:41:08] oki thanx :) [13:46:38] sorry for diconnecting [13:46:57] ssh -p 29418 your-user-Guneetconvent2002.wikimedia.org [13:46:57] ssh: Could not resolve hostname your-user-guneetconvent2002.wikimedia.org: Name or service not known [13:47:11] this is the result [13:47:50] Guneet: I asked beforehand: What is the output of this command: ssh -p 29418 your-user-name@gerrit.wikimedia.org [13:47:56] and: Guneet, replace "your-user-name" accordingly [13:48:14] Guneet: what is your Gerrit username? [13:49:54] i don't have it [13:50:24] how do i register [13:51:48] Ah. Heh. :) See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_access [13:52:19] Still, this won't solve the problem. [13:52:29] So you perform this command?: git clone --recursive https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/mediawiki/vagrant [13:52:46] And you get "fatal: unable to access 'https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/mediawiki/vagrant/': Couldn't resolve host 'gerrit.wikimedia.org'" [13:52:57] and that's something with your network, I am afraid. Not much we can do. :-( [13:52:59] yes [13:53:08] ok [13:53:16] thanks [13:53:23] maybe you could try from another network. :-/ [14:23:09] andre__ what is a mediawiki-vagragant login [14:24:14] ? [14:30:01] Guneet, isn't that explained on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant ? [14:30:12] Step 7 under "Quick start"? [14:34:56] Guneet: isn't that explained on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant ? Step 7 under "Quick start"? [14:36:30] andre__ when i open the vagrant environment in Virtual Box it asks for mediawiki-vagrant login [14:37:01] Guneet, did you see what I just wrote before? :) [14:37:16] i enter the login as admin and password vagrant [14:37:28] but it says its incorrect [14:38:34] what to do now [14:39:34] Guneet, how did you fix your problems in step 5? [14:39:48] You said that git clone --recursive https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/mediawiki/vagrant did not work for you. [14:39:53] Now you are suddenly at step 7. [14:40:00] And noone here knows what happened in-between. [14:40:42] earlier i was using the internet via hotspot but now its USB tethering [14:40:57] so it did work [14:41:31] so you performed all other commands listed there? [14:41:37] Like the setup command? [14:41:39] yes [14:41:54] yes [14:43:20] Guneet: which branch did you check out? or did you check out master? [14:43:29] (master = latest version) [14:43:35] master [14:43:52] Did you do anything in step 6? Or skipped those? [14:44:27] no i did use the commands [14:44:38] Guneet: And just to be absolutely clear, which exact command did you enter after entering "cd vagrant"? [14:45:17] ./setup.sh [14:45:23] but this dint work [14:45:33] so used the setup [14:45:44] and then then the other command [14:46:11] what is "used the setup"? [14:46:25] As I wrote: "which exact command did you enter"? [14:46:27] setup.bat in vagrant folder [14:46:45] vagrant hiera mediawiki::branch REL1_27 [14:46:45] okay. That's correct, and also what the comment says on that page which you maybe did not read. :) [14:47:00] Guneet, now you say something different than before. [14:47:21] ok [14:47:30] four minutes ago I asked you: Guneet: which branch did you check out? or did you check out master? [14:47:42] sorry [14:47:43] You replied "master". Now you say that you did "vagrant hiera mediawiki::branch REL1_27" [14:48:14] so I don't know anymore what you did. [14:48:34] (and I need to work on something different now, sorry...) [14:49:05] but what about the mediawiki-vagrant login [14:49:08] But in general I'm not sure what to do when people do not carefully read (and understand) the instructions. :-/ [14:49:11] its not working [14:49:59] the username and password didn't work [14:51:54] Can you maybe post your complete full terminal/console window activity with regard to setting up Vagrant on some public Paste? Like https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/paste/ if you have created an account already, or pastebin.com or fpaste.org or something [14:52:03] (Make sure to not include any passwords or private information) [15:00:43] Guneet, ^ [15:02:18] y0 [15:02:44] I need the best possible instructions for installing MediaWiki [15:02:56] I have a bare system now [15:03:23] no Apache, MariaDB or PHP yet [15:03:54] jubo2: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Debian_or_Ubuntu [15:03:55] From what I've understood the processsing of .php can be set up in a multitude of ways [15:04:07] Thanks MatmaRex [15:05:14] oh yeah.. one more complication in the situation [15:05:35] got 2 existing MediaWikis that are 1.28-alpha [15:06:31] but now that REL1_28 is the stable wouldn't the databases be similar [15:06:55] at least if I git pull on them before moving the database to the new clean installation [15:09:04] jubo2: you can just update to 1.28 stable and run update.php [15:09:43] MatmaRex: sounds good. How do I do that? [15:10:01] i have installed LAMP server on my ubuntu 16.04 but when opening localhost in a browser, it says 404 NOT FOUND [15:10:57] sucode: maybe you don't have an index.html in /var/www/html ? [15:11:16] jubo2: same as if you were updateing from e.g. 1.27 to 1.28? i don't really understand the question, sorry [15:11:27] jubo2: yeah its there [15:11:37] i tried everything [15:11:45] askubuntu, stackoverflow [15:11:48] MatmaRex: Okk... I go searchengine updating instructions [15:11:55] !upgrading [15:11:56] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [15:12:35] MatmaRex: thanks [15:24:41] Hello. :) How can I make a [[File: image lead to a page when clicked, instead of that image's page? [15:25:34] Shatojon: [[File:Foo.jpg|link=Page title|Caption goes here etc...]] [15:25:39] Thank you, MatmaRex ! [15:27:09] what is debian "Stretch" ..? Debian9 ? [15:27:28] I'm on 8 I think [15:27:58] So I'm not sure if I should aim to install with php7 or php5 [15:28:00] i think that'll be the next release [15:28:06] php5 is fine [15:28:12] (php7 is also fine) [15:32:05] whoops [15:32:23] forgot I was intending to install MariaDB instead of MySQL [15:32:32] I can do that still [15:37:18] jubo2: what shall i do now ? [15:42:31] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Guneetconvent2002/sandbox?veswitched=1 [15:42:53] andre__ here is the link [15:43:07] please have a look [15:45:00] Guneet: it says that Ruby has not been found. [15:45:23] Guneet, also, there is no need to post text as image files. You can post text as text. :) [15:45:28] that's why I proposed a pastebin. [15:46:18] (I can imagine someone might delete your screenshots from https://commons.wikimedia.org/ as that might not be in scope of what to upload to Wikimedia Commons. [15:46:58] * andre__ has to leave for a while [15:47:08] Guneet: So you need to fix your Ruby installation, it seems. :-/ [15:47:13] * andre__ is away from keyboard (afk) [16:02:42] andre__afk: commons isn't that bad :P [16:04:34] Guneet: I don't know if mw-vagrant has some passwords different from "vagrant", but you should be able to "$ vagrant ssh" into the box [16:06:58] (about commons, we usually require more descriptive filenames than "Vagrant6.png") [16:10:41] but how do i fix it [16:48:03] We've created some pages but the links to them are still red and the tooltip says (Page does not exist) - why is that? [16:48:08] It's not cache because we've tried on new machines too. [16:48:36] andre__ please tell me how to fix ruby installation [16:49:20] Shatojon: And when you click the red links you are taken to the correct page? [16:51:37] Yes, prtksxna [16:53:36] * prtksxna backs away from the computer and gets a blue sketchpen [16:55:21] I'm confused, prtksxna :P [16:55:31] What are you saying? [16:56:09] Purge [16:56:39] Sorry guys, I'm not sure what you're saying. I'm new to Wikimedia. [16:56:45] Mediawiki* >.> [16:59:54] lucifer: I do not know, plus you should ask *anybody* here and not only me specifically. [17:00:09] lucifer: But for that you'd need to describe the actual problem. [17:01:00] Shatojon: sorry, i was trying to make a joke. [17:01:56] I see, no worries. :) Would you happen to know how to fix it? [17:04:32] our CI testing infrastructure runs on sqlite or mysql? [17:05:47] mysql [17:06:00] ok, thanks [17:08:19] It runs on mysql and sqlite [17:08:34] depending on which tests your using, one of wikibase tests is using sqlite [17:08:39] whereas mw core uses mysql [17:09:10] tried to upgrade mediawiki from 1.24 to 1.28 and ended up reverting to 1.23 :-). upgrading is a nightmare with many of extensions in varying states of disrepair... [17:11:20] Shatojon: did you set up the job queue correctly? [17:11:22] For anyone that might be interested [17:11:24] I figured out a solution [17:11:28] Simply add ?action=purge [17:11:34] While visiting that same page and logged in as admin [17:11:40] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue#Set_up [18:04:04] <_TWS> anyone familiar with the MsUpload extension? I have it installed per the docs, but I'm not seeing any evidence of it in the wiki itself [18:10:15] <_TWS> nevermind... version from github works [18:23:07] _TWS: are you using the "enhanced edit toolbar" (aka WikiEditor) or the classic toolbar? [18:24:05] <_TWS> right now, classic. looking at that next [18:24:31] <_TWS> are MsUpload/MsLinks compatible with the VisualEditor extension? [18:24:41] no [18:24:57] <_TWS> hrrm [19:24:18] andre__ i am still not able to login in it [19:27:58] Guneet: such lines are not very helpful. [19:28:16] if you are "still" not able to log in, nobody knows what you have tried since the last time you mentioned it here. [19:28:46] Guneet: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#explicit [19:29:30] Guneet: so if you have a question, please ask the audience here so people can help. No need to ping me specifically. :) [19:29:46] I'm writing this because this is how IRC works, basically... [19:32:11] Guneet: last time I talked to you I told you that you're missing Ruby. So far only you know what has happened since then. :) [19:34:11] lol [19:34:17] Unstable internet. [19:34:27] Probably not much that Guneet can do about it... [19:35:12] it's frustrating when you realize you were talking to the wall [19:35:44] Nah. My walls have become good friends over the years! ;) [19:39:07] CKoerner_WMF, hi [19:59:05] HI Krenair [19:59:17] I was in a meeting. What's up? [20:02:43] did you see Nemo's comment on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests/User_rights/CKoerner_(WMF) ? [20:05:50] I did. [20:22:10] I replied. [21:00:16] CKoerner_WMF, done [21:01:46] :) [21:44:30] When using Composer to install Chameleon, I get fatal error: Cannot redeclare class SkinChameleon (from the skins directory). Am I supposed to not use Composer's autoloader somehow? Or? [21:46:44] If I remove Chameleon from the 'require' section of composer.local.json and just leave the extra: merge-plugin "skins/*/composer.json" a composer update will uninstall (delete) Chameleon; and you acttually have to run composer update 3x to get all dependencies removed [21:47:00] dependency hell has turned into composer hell [21:47:02] ugh, composer :/ [21:47:45] Is it possible to make pages have keywords that hint towards them? [21:47:51] freephile: we keep asking people not to make installation of skins/extensions depend on composer, and they keep doing it :( i'm not sure if anyone here can help you, maybe try poking the author somewhere [21:47:56] For example, we have a page called "Blocks" but if someone searches for "Brick", they probably mean that. [21:47:59] i found https://github.com/cmln/chameleon/blob/master/docs/installation-troubleshooting.md but it doesn't look very helpful [21:48:05] And it could suggest it to them? "You searched for Brick, but did you mean Block?" [21:48:11] Shatojon: it's possible to create redirects [21:48:20] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Redirects [21:48:38] I understand, thanks. [21:48:49] Are there logs, somewhere, of all the searches users have made that lead nowhere? [21:49:34] MatmaRex: I wasn't aware of the "do" or "don't" use Composer status (and I'm thinking that F.trott was doing it "right") [21:50:10] freephile: mediawiki uses composer for its own dependency management, and mixing that with using it to install extensions causes all sorts of weird problems for people [21:50:47] I'll just install it with git and do the composer install in the skins/chameleon dir for it's dependencies [21:51:28] MatmaRex: that's why I thought the composer-merge plugin would take care of things [21:51:38] Shatojon: hmm. i know that WMF's Discovery team have some sort of tracking for unsuccessful searches, but i have no idea how they are doing it. it might be some custom extension code (which is almost certainly public, but will probably need customizing)? try asking at #wikimedia-discovery [21:51:53] freephile: it's supposed to, but well… [21:51:54] Thank you, MatmaRex . [21:53:38] MatmaRex: exactly... I would love to get to the bottom of this as I'm working on an ansible automated mediawiki distribution [22:01:40] freephile: i'm not sure who worked on composer stuff in here… bd808 or legoktm? [22:02:12] hi [22:02:41] legoktm: hi :-) [22:03:21] freephile: using composer to install extensions (and skins I guess) is deprecated and discouraged, but some people still do it [22:03:44] freephile: can you pastebin your composer.json and composer.local.json? [22:03:46] I've been chasing my tail trying to get Lingo, Chameleon, SMW to install and the installs all say to use composer [22:04:05] sure [22:05:36] http://pastebin.com/1g65ivdM [22:06:27] http://pastebin.com/9jtTbUZz [22:07:40] As you can see the composer.json is default for 1_27 [22:08:34] freephile: and you said you were trying to add lingo to the require section of composer.local.json? [22:08:48] or Chameleon ? [22:09:07] right Chameleon [22:09:13] is that skin also in your skins/ directory? [22:09:20] right... I did, and have had many cycles of success, and then failure, remove start over [22:09:36] rm -rf vendor etc. [22:10:18] I just tried git cloning chameleon into skins/ and (locally) composer install --no-dev; then using wfLoad() but that complains that there is no skin.json [22:11:11] so I was going to see what tag i need for Chameleon, since it doesn't use branches like REL1_27 [22:11:46] okay so I think having it do both "require" and be pulled in the skins/* glob is causing the duplicate class registration [22:12:06] if you remove it from skins (or just move it somewhere else for now), and add it to require, I *think* it might work [22:17:58] except if I remove the skin from being specifically required in composer.local.json, then any subsequent composer update removes the skin [22:19:00] err, I meant to "require" it in composer.local.json, but move your cloned copy out of the skins/ repository [22:22:59] legoktm: I did rm -rf skins/chameleon; "require" chameleon-skin in composer-local.json and composer update -vvv -no-dev.... works great [22:23:11] awesome [22:23:19] except that doing the exact same thing for SMW doesn't work [22:23:43] and that's as far as I've been able to get for the last 48 hours :-( [22:24:22] I think it's an autoloader thing [22:27:16] legoktm: Ooops, I forgot.. I don't get an error with composer update, but insteadPHP Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class SkinChameleon in /var/www/freephile.com/www/w-1.27/skins/chameleon/src/SkinChameleon.php on line 111 [22:30:06] legoktm: so A.1 remove chameleon from composer.local.json and then composer update to UNinstall it [22:31:29] A.2 run composer update AGAIN and it uninstalls bootstrap [22:33:07] A.3 run composer update A THIRD time and in uninstalls twitter/bootstrap [22:34:47] I uh [22:35:02] uhhhh [22:35:07] composer makes my head hurt [22:35:28] freephile: I think, removing the skins/* and extensions/* from composer.local.json and explicitly specifying what things to include will help [22:41:37] legoktm: yeah, i think that's the only way this is going to work. I can't skip generating the autoloader and with the autoloader I get redeclare fatals [22:46:34] I want to selectively include or not include a part of a template (or page). I know there is , but it cannot be turned on/off selectively and does not support different "classes" of what to include and what not [22:46:48] Is there any hope of the solution? [22:47:06] legoktm: https://freephile.org/wiki/Special:Version [22:49:07] http://pastebin.com/1v6e3MnU [22:49:32] I removed the globs, and ONLY used the require section of composer.local.json [22:51:49] p.s. Here is a handy script that I whipped up today to move .git controlled extensions to the next REL http://pastebin.com/dHnvzQau [22:53:27] freephile: nice :)) [22:53:28] legoktm: thank you SO much! I have been beating the heck out of composer trying to get it to play nice with all three (lingo, chameleon, smw) when I already had a working wiki [22:53:43] np [22:54:53] script could use polish to add argv handing but hey it works :-) [23:01:45] shameless plug... https://freephile.org/wiki/QualityBox https://github.com/freephile/qb (AGPL) [23:03:00] contributions welcome! alpha-quality atm b/c many reasons [23:08:25] I propose this syntax: `

...

` should be excluded if "condition" template parameter is false. It works like #if but is easier to read. Good idea? [23:09:14] It targets also for nontechnical users who may have a trouble to understand #if syntax [23:10:49] It is also easier to read, even for technical users