[01:17:51] <tuningmind>	 anyone know how to get a list of existing freenode channels?
[01:19:19] <p858snake|L2>	 tuningmind: this is a list of the many wiki{pedia,media} freenode channels https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channels
[01:20:12] <tuningmind>	 cool, thanks. What about ones not about wiki stuff? I've run across a way to view such a list but can't find the info now
[01:23:06] <Trela>	 Use the /list command.
[01:25:04] <p858snake|L2>	 also alis is handy
[01:25:05] <p858snake|L2>	 /msg alis help
[01:28:30] <tuningmind>	 hm, /list is saying too many channels to list; I tried the suggestion to limit to groups with more than 50 members, but the same message appears.
[01:28:39] <tuningmind>	 also tried >100 members but still the same
[01:31:27] <tuningmind>	 oh, alis is working better
[02:16:07] <_TWS>	 is it possible to build a template for a table if you don't know how many rows it will have?
[02:45:02] <Yvette>	 Hi _TWS.
[02:45:03] <Yvette>	 Probably, yeah.
[05:02:47] <jubo2>	 G'morning
[05:03:07] <jubo2>	 I cannot for some reason be able to locate where AbuseFilter stores its rules
[05:05:01] <jubo2>	 Aha.. gotta be a special page
[05:24:08] <Trela>	 Special:AbuseFilter
[05:24:15] <Trela>	 @jubo2: ^
[05:38:24] <jubo2>	 Thanks Trela
[05:38:47] <jubo2>	 found it.. bad manners of me to not to mention onchan I already found it
[05:39:25] <jubo2>	 I going to to need some other technological means against these annoying Russkij porno spammers
[05:39:42] <jubo2>	 got better things to do than keep on banning and delling them
[05:39:48] <Trela>	 Ban the entire country.
[05:39:58] <jubo2>	 axaxaxaxa
[05:40:48] <jubo2>	 But but but the lamb chops, pork chops and cold Nevskoye at the Udelnaya middle-asia joint.
[05:41:34] <jubo2>	 Now waiting for DNS propagation 
[05:41:49] <jubo2>	 is set at 15 minutes so should be like 7.5 on average
[05:42:23] <jubo2>	 Gotta drop those down seriously when I get this server migration samba done
[05:42:37] <Trela>	 I actually banned Bangladesh's IP ranges for six months a few years ago.  99% spam reduction.
[05:43:24] <jubo2>	 Moving almost all sites to a "renewables only"-daattasaal.. that's inside Finnish granite bedrock :D :D
[05:43:43] <jubo2>	 Trela: what's your wiki?
[05:44:47] <jubo2>	 I gotta take some time and learn that Abusefilter syntax.. Looks like it can do all that is needed to get rid of the pornospammers and pharmaspammers
[05:46:23] <Trela>	 jubo2: I work on the engineering side of a large wiki farm.
[07:11:45] <jubo2>	 Hello
[07:11:45] <jubo2>	 Almost nailed the MW migrations
[07:11:45] <jubo2>	 For some reason the logo isn't showing on the new site
[07:11:51] <jubo2>	 http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/ is the one with the problem
[07:12:27] <jubo2>	 I don't even see an <img> tag there when I look at it in FF inspector
[07:31:04] <jubo2>	 I am seeing in the inspector
[07:31:11] <jubo2>	 .mw-wiki-logo {
[07:31:12] <jubo2>	     background-image: url(http://develop.consumerium.org/consumerium.png);
[07:31:34] <jubo2>	 but that not right.. that should be the logo in the upper-lefthand corner
[07:32:11] <jubo2>	 maybe I'm not just understanding what the FF inspector is trying to tell me
[07:36:34] <jubo2>	 looking at the raw code I'm noticing another problem
[07:37:01] <jubo2>	 One line says `link rel="EditURI" type="application/rsd+xml" href="http://mw.consumerium.org/w/api.php?action=rsd"/>`
[07:38:18] <jubo2>	 I did the installation and modifications at URL mw.consumerium.org to minimize downtime but it seems the domain name stuck around.. Where can I fix this? LocalSettings.php I assume?
[07:41:00] <jubo2>	 No occurence of string 'mw' in LocalSettings.php so it probably gotta me somewhere in the database
[07:52:58] <jubo2>	 umm.. this is more serious
[07:53:28] <jubo2>	 when I try to edit a page it tries to access mw.consumerium.org instead of develop.consumerium.org 
[07:53:37] <jubo2>	 which naturally gives a 404
[07:54:29] <jubo2>	 LocalSettings.php says `$wgServer = "http://develop.consumerium.org";`
[08:09:20] <jubo2>	 I can't find any helpful info in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki#Update_the_configuration_file
[08:10:35] <jubo2>	 I'll repeat the problem: "Something somewhere has hardcoded value 'mw.consumerium.org' as the server name and that that keeps on breaking the wiki when I try to save a page"
[08:17:11] <jubo2>	 I forgot to add AbuseFilter extension to the target installation
[08:17:22] <jubo2>	 I did that now and run update.php
[08:17:31] <jubo2>	 maybe problem is fixed now
[08:18:58] <jubo2>	 nope
[08:19:30] <jubo2>	 aha..
[08:19:39] <jubo2>	 it has gotta be the CAPTCHA keys
[08:19:50] <jubo2>	 I get new ones
[08:23:12] <jubo2>	 nope
[08:23:17] <jubo2>	 the keys are ok
[08:28:48] <ashley>	 jubo2: now for the obvious question: I assume you've already grepped the MW installation dir for "mw\." or "mw\.consumerium" or somesuch? :-) also what about apache/nginx(/varnish) config?
[08:29:33] <jubo2>	 Found the problem. Stupidity by me.
[08:30:20] <jubo2>	 I did not modify the path info in the conf file.. just the server name so ofcourse it was looking for index.php in the wrong dir
[08:30:45] <jubo2>	 I should remember to document harder
[08:30:53] <jubo2>	 Woke up at 5:30 today
[08:31:44] <jubo2>	 Documenting is such that if done sloppily it is of no use or counterproductive
[08:32:11] <jubo2>	 but if done well it can help the documenter himself a lot and maybe even some other people
[09:19:37] <DynV>	 is there a template for date conversion? I have a YYMMDD number that I'd like to have converted in a natural date format.
[09:20:47] <MatmaRex>	 if you have the ParserFunctions extension, you could use {{#time}} for this
[09:20:50] <MatmaRex>	 !parserfunctions
[09:20:50] <wm-bot>	 "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[09:22:27] <DynV>	 how may I find if wikia has one for date?
[09:31:46] <a_swedish_user>	 Hello everyone. Where should I make a bug report when upgrading from 1.26.2 to 1.28 fails in importing an xml-dump?
[09:36:39] <a_swedish_user>	 It seems to be tied to ContentHandler.php, but I can't really find a page associated to it, the Content_handlers page just references different content handlers and isn't it's own thing
[09:38:48] <andre__>	 https://mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug
[10:12:34] <bob____>	 Hi - I'm using mediawiki 1.27.0 - all looking ok except for general users creating http links.  This is OK for admins, but when users attempt to create http:// links and save changes, they receive the error 'Exception encountered, of type "UnderflowException"' - any ideas what's happeing?
[10:13:38] <MatmaRex>	 i would guess it's a bug in some anti-spam extension you're using
[10:17:46] <bob____>	 Thanks MatmaRex - that was it :)
[10:56:01] <boblamont>	 I'm trying to use infobox templates from Wikipedia on my own mediawiki installation. On a page using template:infobox_musical_artist, it shows a red link for Template:Infobox musical artist/tracking. I've imported that (along with everything listed as transcluded  in the source), but it still shows as a red link.
[10:56:50] <MC8>	 you might find Special:ExpandTemplates useful
[10:57:44] <prtksxna>	 boblamont: Have you tried ?action=purge, not sure if it'll help though
[10:59:13] <boblamont>	 I'm going to go try some of these suggestions and see what luck I have. Thank you both.
[11:05:53] <p858snake|L2>	 boblamont: you might need to install E:ParserFunctions for the template to work properly
[11:12:37] <boblamont>	 I have ParserFunctions working... I think I need to import something that's transcluded, but if I try to export/import the whole "include templates" mix everything times out. I think the only thing it's trying to do is color code the infobox. I might just edit the function out since I don't really need it.
[11:19:15] <boblamont>	 actually, purging it in a different browser made it go away!
[11:24:26] <prtksxna>	 \o/
[11:29:00] <boblamont>	 adding another missing template that's now revealed brought the color coding... I still don't need it, but if it's going to work, might as well keep it. thanks for the help!
[16:26:30] <frontier>	 when I try to run maintenance/createAndPromote.php from command line I get invalid username whether I use an existing user or new one.
[16:30:32] <Dereckson>	 frontier: what's the used syntax?
[16:31:46] <frontier>	 php createAndPromote.php [--bureaucrat] [--administrators] [--force] Frontier password
[16:32:00] <Dereckson>	 ah
[16:32:20] <Dereckson>	 The brckets mean a parameter is optional.
[16:32:53] <Dereckson>	 for example if you want a bureaucrat account, you'll use it: php maintenance/createAndPromote.php --bureaucrat Frontier password
[16:33:22] <frontier>	 ah I see
[16:33:57] <frontier>	 so now I get Error: 1146 Table 'wiki.bot_passwords' doesn't exist
[16:34:19] <Dereckson>	 you first need to upgrade your database schema
[16:34:38] <Dereckson>	 run php maintenance/update.php
[16:34:47] <Dereckson>	 then, you'll get an error about composer
[16:34:54] <Dereckson>	 to fix that, run composer update
[16:35:24] <frontier>	 ok one moment
[16:35:32] <Dereckson>	 regular new upgrade process is: 1. update source code 2. update composer dependencies 3. update database schema
[16:37:47] <Ulfr>	 Would a change in database servers affect the functionality of something like Editcount?
[16:39:46] <justinl>	 Hi all, I've just discovered that following my recent upgrades to MW 1.27 (and the entire OS for that matter) that I'm getting a really bad Varnish hit ratio due to tons of backend responses with negative TTLs.
[16:40:09] <justinl>	 I can understand this for certain types of URL, but it happens for images and thumbnails and that appears to be what's really killing my hit ratio.
[16:40:24] <justinl>	 Is this done for a particular reason? What would be the best way to alter this behavior?
[16:40:44] <Dereckson>	 Ulfr: you observed something strange?
[16:43:05] <Dereckson>	 justinl: perhaps could you prepare your own varnish configuration strategy? If you wish to see what we do for Wikipedia, you can browse our operations/puppet repository, you'll get amongst other things the Varnish config used
[16:43:13] <Ulfr>	 Dereckson: Yup! the number of edits isn't being properly reflected. I'm guessing it's limiting by timeframe, however it /worked/ before I swapped to newer database servers with identical content
[16:43:31] <frontier>	 that did it. Thanks Dereckson 
[16:43:38] <Dereckson>	 frontier: you're welcome
[16:44:31] <Dereckson>	 Ulfr: strange, do you have a working queue configured?
[16:44:46] <justinl>	 Dereckson: Certainly. My current configuration is based on, and nearly identical to, the Varnish 4 example at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Varnish_caching and this hasn't been a problem until the recent upgrades, so I was just surprised to find this and that I might need to change the behavior.
[16:45:02] <Ulfr>	 Dereckson: huh? a working what?
[16:47:43] <Dereckson>	 Ulfr: MediaWiki has tasks to do, like upgrade statistics, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue
[16:47:58] <Dereckson>	 that could be as simple as run a script in a crontab every few minutes
[16:48:11] <Dereckson>	 or more sophisticated with a queue specialized instance
[16:48:40] <Ulfr>	 Oh, yuck.
[16:49:26] <Ulfr>	 oh, buggar.
[16:50:49] <Ulfr>	 Well, hopefully I can get that queue cleared out. It wasn't TOO bad. Only like, 2.5m things
[16:50:52] <Ulfr>	 >>
[16:56:46] <Dereckson>	 Ulfr: hu hu
[16:57:17] <Dereckson>	 so these things are for example to reprepare the cached version of a page when a template used in this page has been edited
[16:58:08] <justinl>	 Dereckson: Do you think it'd be reasonable to add a conditional to vcl_backend_response() that basically says "if url is a thumbnail image, set ttl to something > -1 and return deliver"? I already strip cookies from thumbnails in vcl_recv().
[17:02:18] <Dereckson>	 justinl: check how frequently you've image reuploads on your server, you need to invalidate thumbnails sometimes to avoid to continue to serve former versions
[17:02:33] <Dereckson>	 it it's never reuploaded, your proposal is reasonnable
[17:10:25] <justinl>	 Dereckson: If you are referring to how often new versions of images are uploaded, it's not that often in general for the same image to be updated, though it happens occasionally. We have around 1.5 million thumbnail image files across five wikis, but maybe a few dozen uploads per day based on the upload log.
[20:01:18] <wonderer>	 hi all
[20:01:35] <wonderer>	 am havin gproblems with my mediawiki upgrade
[20:01:47] <wonderer>	 special pages no longer works for example
[20:01:53] <wonderer>	 nor admin preferences
[20:02:03] <wonderer>	 "You have requested an invalid special page. "
[20:09:41] <Urbanecm>	 wonderer, any special page don't work?
[20:10:48] <wonderer>	 yes Urbanecm
[20:12:46] <wonderer>	 have googled for this problems but dont see a solution that works in getting special pages back for example
[20:14:32] <Urbanecm>	 Can you clarify the versions?
[20:14:51] <Urbanecm>	 (i.e. from what version you upgraded to what version)
[20:15:34] <wonderer>	 MediaWiki 1.23.14
[20:16:28] <Urbanecm>	 This is your previous version?
[20:17:22] <wonderer>	 i cant say from which old version
[20:18:03] <Urbanecm>	 Okay. 
[20:18:08] <wonderer>	 but all i can say is i can tupgrade any furhter as my host php version isnt supported by newer version of MW v1.23++
[20:19:15] <Urbanecm>	 wonderer, maybe https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_symptoms#WAMP.2FApache_on_Windows:_Some_Special:_pages_are_inaccessible can help...
[20:20:03] <wonderer>	 thx Urbanecm
[20:20:10] <wonderer>	 i will give that a shot
[20:20:16] <Urbanecm>	 You're welcome wonderer. 
[20:20:23] <wonderer>	 gtg now am afraid 
[20:20:25] <wonderer>	 thx
[20:20:31] <Trel>	 For a small, low traffic wiki (no more than 10 people accessinging it total most likely) is there any down side for Sqlite?
[20:22:20] <Urbanecm>	 Trel, I don't think you will be able to see any downside in small wiki like you've described. 
[20:23:18] <Urbanecm>	 Trel, at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:SQLite there are some notes about SQLite with MediaWiki. Hoping it'll help. 
[20:32:24] <Trel>	 Urbanecm: yep, I read that, I didn't forsee any really issuses based on that page.
[20:32:40] <Trel>	 Just wanted so see if there were any gotchas I wasn't expecting.
[21:08:57] <OH->	  #mediawiki-visualeditor
[21:09:05] <OH->	 oops
[23:55:41] <Shatojon>	 Hey, I'm having a hard time having animated gifs play in our pages. They're just static frames. Any idea?
[23:56:24] <Reedy>	 Thumbnailed?
[23:57:58] <Shatojon>	 Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean, read.
[23:58:00] <Shatojon>	 Reedy: *