[00:01:09] <MTres19_>	 Does MediaWiki store any information about which revisions were restored when Special:Undelete is used?
[00:10:34] <SamanthaNguyen>	 MTres19_: Yes - in Special:Log/delete and Special:Log/supress, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:RevisionDelete#Log_entries
[00:10:41] <SamanthaNguyen>	 * Special:Log/suppress
[00:30:21] <MTres19_>	 SamanthaNguyen: I don't have RevisionDelete enabled. For example, if I delete a page, then only restore a few revisions through Special:Undelete, MediaWiki logs the number of revisions restored, but not which ones. :/
[00:32:04] <Platonides>	 MTres19_: even if it doesn't show in the interface, it's possible that it is saved
[00:33:09] <MTres19_>	 Platonides: I checked the log_params field but that's just an empty array.
[00:33:39] <Platonides>	 then no :/
[00:37:11] <MTres19_>	 I've found that this is a recurring problem in writing my extension... MediaWiki seems to throw away data that could be important in the future, or doesn't store it in an machine-readable format. I'm writing a hook attached to ArticleRevisionUndeleted to work around it, but it's too late for existing wikis.
[10:24:56] <andre__>	 Reception123: Don't ask to ask. Just ask. If I was around I might answer :)
[10:25:29] <Reception123>	 Ok. Do you have any idea how to resolve the error?
[10:26:37] <andre__>	 Reception123, what error?
[10:27:36] <Reception123>	 [4343b178b16bad3e0086042e] [no req]   MWException from line 335 of /srv/mediawiki/w/includes/MagicWord.php: Error: invalid magic word 'default_form' 
[10:27:41] <Reception123>	 when trying to install PageForms extension
[10:27:43] <andre__>	 Reception123: Why do you ask me specifically?
[10:28:08] <Reception123>	 I thought you'd know how to fix it
[10:28:35] <andre__>	 Reception123, why?
[10:28:45] <andre__>	 I've never used PageForms and I am not a developer.
[10:28:48] <andre__>	 I propose that you ask [anybody in] this room instead of me. :)
[10:28:52] <Reception123>	 Because you've answered some questions I had in the past.
[10:28:54] <Reception123>	 Ok, sorry for bothering you then
[10:29:18] <andre__>	 Reception123: I answer questions when I think that I might be helpful.
[10:29:46] <andre__>	 If I don't know answers I don't. That's how IRC works. :)
[11:12:36] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Morning
[11:13:00] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Anyone got a suggestion on how to stop the parser choking everytime I try to make a SIMPLE change to a template?
[11:13:08] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:PD-US-1923-abroad/sandbox&action=edit
[11:13:39] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I'm exceptionaly tired of having to play "Hunt the brace" EVEY SINGLE TIME i want to make a simple change
[11:14:05] <ShakespeareFan00>	 The sooner parser functions are replaced with something that's actually readable the better
[15:23:15] <Freddy2001>	 hi. how can I check via the api using a diff link if the author of a revision is registed?
[15:46:30] <claraJ>	 Hi, I am looking into Mediawiki core out of curiosity. May I know what these things do? https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/1.27.1/php/namespaceMediaWiki_1_1Widget.html
[15:47:21] <claraJ>	 AFAI can tell, these improve the form input using OOJUI libraries. Am I wrong?
[16:10:22] <claraJ>	 Can anyone answer me?
[16:10:45] <Dereckson>	 hi claraJ 
[16:11:05] <claraJ>	 Hi Dereckson
[16:11:29] <Dereckson>	 I guess Sunday 16:10 isn't the most crowded hour for #mediawiki, that's why you didn't get an answer
[16:11:57] <claraJ>	 Oh, I get it. Guess, I should've been a little bit patient. I'll wait.
[16:11:58] <Dereckson>	 personnally I'm in the countryside in 4G
[16:12:27] <claraJ>	 Have a great time. :)
[16:12:29] <Dereckson>	 so to find what a class do, generally, a good way is to grep the class name in the code
[16:12:35] <paladox>	 Well thats the first, it's mostly in city's / towns.
[16:13:12] <claraJ>	 I'm on Windows though. 
[16:13:14] <Dereckson>	 you can use plain grep or https://github.com/ggreer/the_silver_searcher
[16:13:46] <Dereckson>	 well, if you open the code in a graphic php editor, it will allow you to do a search in subdirectories
[16:14:43] <claraJ>	 I'm using Sublime. I will do that right now. I'm a learner and thus the curiosity. Sorry for noobish questions.
[16:14:44] <Dereckson>	 Special:Movepage uses ComplexTitleInputWidget
[16:14:56] <Dereckson>	 Special:Search uses SearchInputWidget
[16:15:24] <Dereckson>	 These are HTML widget to replace a plain <input>
[16:15:36] <Dereckson>	 with extra features like autocomplete
[16:16:09] <claraJ>	 That's helpful. Thank you so much. 
[16:18:40] <Dereckson>	 You're welcome
[16:18:57] <Dereckson>	 I also see there is a dedicated team for them
[16:20:27] <Dereckson>	 claraJ: to search in sublimetext by the way, it's ctrl+shift+f
[16:20:39] <Dereckson>	 then in Where: you select the root folder of mediawiki
[16:21:31] <claraJ>	 How did you know? :D Thanks Dereckson, I was looking it up on SO just now. 
[16:22:09] <Dereckson>	 you're welcome ;)
[17:45:14] <mvmohitverma54>	 tony u there
[17:49:57] <himanshi>	 hello all ........
[17:50:11] <himanshi>	 I am new here and I wish to contribute
[17:52:56] <Vulpix>	 !start | himanshi 
[17:52:57] <wm-bot>	 himanshi: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[17:53:06] <Vulpix>	 ...
[18:06:01] <mahikaw>	 hey i'm Mahika. I am new to open source and looking to contribute on beginner's issues. @tonythomas please help me with the same.Thanks and cheers.
[18:06:14] <Yvette>	 Hi mahikaw.
[18:06:41] <tonythomas>	 Great to see you here - you are lucky as I just have a long list of easy tasks for auction! 
[18:06:59] <tonythomas>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115095#3004776 -- there you go - think about working on the non-security bugs 
[18:07:03] <srijan_>	 Hey mahikaw. Welcome. 
[18:07:13] <tonythomas>	 you will have to setup Mediawiki, the extension in question, etc 
[18:07:39] <tonythomas>	 (For others here - We are running an online hackathon on the Newsletter extension - expect more noise. sorry )
[18:08:16] <mahikaw>	 That's great. I'll look into it right away. Thanks a lot! :)
[18:08:30] <srijancse>	 Great! :) 
[19:52:43] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Hi
[19:52:58] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Is there a way to see what a template thought it got as a paramater set?
[19:53:29] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Template:PD-US-1923-abroad/testcases fails in specifc example and I'm trying to figure out why
[19:54:33] <bawolff>	 Maybe the show xml option of special:expandtemplates
[19:54:56] <bawolff>	 i honestly cant remember how much that actually shows so ymmv
[19:56:25] <ShakespeareFan00>	 The issue is a paramater  supplied as |param=|  
[19:56:51] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Mediawiki is apparently treating a null string as valid data as opposed to a true null
[19:57:06] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-US-1923-abroad/sandbox
[19:57:10] <ShakespeareFan00>	 being the template
[19:57:40] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-US-1923-abroad/testcases
[19:57:54] <ShakespeareFan00>	  {{PD-US-1923-abroad/sandbox|out_of_copyright_in=}} is the headscratch
[19:58:30] <ShakespeareFan00>	 It seems it's NOT apparently possible to check for both null/unspecifed and "empty string" with a parser function
[19:59:00] <bawolff>	 Empty string and parameter not specified are not the same thing
[19:59:37] <ShakespeareFan00>	 That's my concern
[19:59:48] <bawolff>	 {{#if: {{{foo|}}}|not empty|empty}}
[20:00:08] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Which leads to some very convoluted code for something that should be simple
[20:00:34] <bawolff>	 Well welcome to wikitext ;)
[20:03:02] <bawolff>	 Whats the alternative thats simple? Thats a pretty standard if statement
[20:03:23] <bawolff>	 if you want sane programming environment, there is lua :)
[20:07:50] <bawolff>	 tonythomas: feel free to split that up in whatever way is easiest for you :)
[20:08:39] <tonythomas>	 bawolff: yeah. we have couple of people working on it right now  - so a high level splitting at this point - and maybe later to more granular levels