[01:45:48] <k-man>	 whats that command to force a page to clear its cache, like when there are templates on the page?
[01:49:34] <auvajs>	 Hi, I have a very nasty cirrus search error, look at this: http://pravnickyslovnik.cz/index.php?search=n%C4%9Bco&title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD%3AHled%C3%A1n%C3%AD&go=J%C3%ADt+na .. any idea what's wrong?
[01:50:05] <auvajs>	 I just made a system upgrade
[01:51:15] <k-man>	 is it possible to use the visual editor to edit templates?
[01:51:17] <Dereckson>	 k-man: ?action=purge at the end of the URL
[01:51:23] <k-man>	 Dereckson, thanks
[01:51:27] <Dereckson>	 yes it is
[01:51:33] <Dereckson>	 you can even document each template field
[01:51:51] <k-man>	 Dereckson, i don't know what that means but it sounds good
[01:51:52] <Dereckson>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:VisualEditor/User_guide#Template_parameters
[01:52:02] <k-man>	 ooh
[01:52:04] <k-man>	 hmm
[01:52:13] <Dereckson>	 It means you'll have a kind of form to fill
[01:52:14] <Dereckson>	 for templates parameters
[01:52:16] <k-man>	 how do i make a template that is text only be visual editor
[01:53:17] <k-man>	 maybe we are talking about different templates, i'm talking about templates for little sections i include in the home page with something like {{Some Template}}
[01:53:18] <Dereckson>	 auvajs: did you composer update?
[01:54:20] <auvajs>	 Dereckson: no
[01:54:27] <Dereckson>	 #0 /var/www/mediawiki/extensions/Elastica/vendor/ruflin/elastica/lib/Elastica/Transport/Http.php(51): Elastica\Transport\Http->_getConnection(boolean)
[01:54:31] <Dereckson>	 when you see a vendor/
[01:54:38] <Dereckson>	 it's a Composer dependency
[01:54:55] <auvajs>	 Dereckson: I did ubuntu dist-upgrade
[01:54:58] <Dereckson>	 so in such cases, the first thing to do is to ensure all is up to date, including these dependencies
[01:57:08] <auvajs>	 Dereckson: ok I'll start my MW update script first
[01:57:55] <Dereckson>	 auvajs: I see an issue but this is strange  as the code is old
[01:58:02] <Dereckson>	 https://github.com/ruflin/Elastica/blame/master/lib/Elastica/Transport/Http.php
[01:58:05] <Dereckson>	 namespace Elastica\Transport;
[01:58:14] <Dereckson>	             self::$_curlConnection = curl_init();
[01:58:38] <k-man>	 so when i visit /wiki/Template:SomeTemplate  it doesn't give me the visual edit option, only Edit Source option
[01:58:44] <k-man>	 is that normal?
[02:00:02] <k-man>	 do i need to enable it for the Template namespace or something?
[02:00:04] <Dereckson>	 as you are in the namespace Elastica\Transport, it will tries to call Elastica\Transport\curl_init
[02:00:15] <Dereckson>	 if curl_init doesn't exist
[02:00:57] <auvajs>	 Dereckson: well I don't really understand. I'm somewhere inthe middle of a MW update now
[02:01:58] <Dereckson>	 auvajs: I think your ubuntu dist-upgrade upgraded php, and during this upgrade you lost the PHP curl extension
[02:02:26] <Dereckson>	 so http://php.net/manual/en/function.curl-init.php doesn't exist anymore
[02:02:36] <Dereckson>	 so it tries to call Elastica\Transport\curl_init instead
[02:02:58] <Dereckson>	 and that explains your 'Call to undefined function Elastica\Transport\curl_init()' issue
[02:03:58] <auvajs>	 Dereckson: ok I'll install curl extension then
[02:04:23] <Dereckson>	 by the way, as a part of your update, don't forget before to run the mw update script to `cd /var/www/mediawiki ; composer update`
[02:05:32] <auvajs>	 Dereckson: composer update is included in the update script as well :)
[02:05:38] <Dereckson>	 nice
[02:07:22] <saulx>	 Discord is better place to help newbie Wikipedia editors than #wikipedia-en-help because it has many advantages like better permission system and better overall control over everything. You're welcome
[02:10:44] <auvajs>	 Dereckson: yes it's working afater I installed php-curl back.. tnx!
[02:10:56] <auvajs>	 Dereckson: thank you :)
[02:39:28] <newbee>	 Visual Editor conflicts with CirrusSearch?
[04:07:56] <k-man>	 is there a mw sanbox somewhere for testing out things?
[04:19:39] <OH->	 k-man, testing out wikimarkup, or testing out extensions and wiki administration, or what?
[04:22:46] <k-man>	 wikimarkup with multiple pages and templates
[04:24:15] <OH->	 k-man, you can try out https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page 
[04:24:28] <k-man>	 thanks
[04:24:45] <OH->	 but note that there is some existing stuff on there that other people use for testing and you shouldn't mess with it
[04:24:49] <OH->	 you can make a sandbox under your user page
[04:24:58] <k-man>	 oh ok
[04:31:43] <purnima>	 OH-, I'm installing mediawiki through vagarnt. This is my 13th attempt and everytime I get different set of errors. The error I'm getting now is pasted here-http://pastebin.com/m2MqhidX 
[04:31:50] <purnima>	 Please have a look
[04:32:36] <purnima>	 When I checked inside /vagrant/puppet/manifests directory `site.pp` file exist
[04:34:01] <OH->	 have you tried 'vagrant destroy' and then 'vagrant up'?
[04:34:03] <legoktm>	 purnima: if you're having trouble with vagrant, I would recommend just installing mediawiki normally from git
[04:35:29] <purnima>	 OH-, Yes. I ran `vagrant up` just now. This is what it says now: http://pastebin.com/tUSUz4KL
[04:36:03] <purnima>	 It is asking me to run `vagrant provsion` now
[04:36:19] <OH->	 you need to 'vagrant destroy' if the vagrant setup has failed before re-running 'vagrant up'
[04:37:45] <purnima>	 legoktm, should I follow this page-https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git
[04:38:10] <purnima>	 OH-, i done that. 
[04:38:40] <purnima>	 OH-, is it ok if I run `vagrant provision` now?
[05:22:14] <purnima>	  OH-, is it ok if I run `vagrant provision` now?
[05:23:18] <purnima>	 or I just install it using git?
[05:46:49] <OH->	 purnima, it doesn't hurt to try, but I have a feeling your vagrant installation is broken
[05:49:59] <OH->	 (vagrant referring to mediawiki-vagrant, not the actual vagrant software)
[06:54:01] <newbee>	 hello~
[08:42:42] <purnima>	 OH-, I have Vagrant 1.9.2
[08:42:43] <purnima>	  installed on my laptop. is there a way to check if vagrant is properly installed or not? I'll also try installing it using just git. 
[10:01:54] <Drizt>	 Hi. A friend asked me to help him move the database files from a old wiki (version 1.11) to a newer one (1.29). Were there any major differences? Are there scripts to help me do this?
[11:10:38] <JohnRak>	 Hello
[11:10:45] <JohnRak>	 I need a help please
[11:11:55] <JohnRak>	 I left editing since 5 years ago and I want to delete my account. It is not associated with an email and I forgot the password.
[11:13:19] <jubo2>	 JohnRak: you probably asking in the wrong channel
[11:13:32] <JohnRak>	 I want to log in to delete the main user page and the talk page then post {{NOINDEX}} and {{speedy|user requested}}
[11:13:33] <jubo2>	 #wikimedia-tech probably also not the right place
[11:16:06] <JohnRak>	 oh jubo2 
[11:16:14] <JohnRak>	 where to ask please
[11:16:36] <jubo2>	 Ask for the right place at #wikipedia-en ?
[11:20:51] <JohnRak>	 thx jubo2 
[13:59:58] <CKoerner_WMF>	 A final invitation to participate in EMWCon for remote folks. If you would like to watch the event live you can do so at the link below. 
[13:59:59] <CKoerner_WMF>	 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jad7owAql1E
[13:59:59] <CKoerner_WMF>	 IRC chat will be in the  #enterprise-mediawiki 
[14:10:02] <Zppix>	 CKoerner_WMF:  no thanks, although i really wanted to attend 
[15:05:28] <vivek___>	 andre__: It was mentioned in the comment below
[15:06:08] <andre__>	 vivek___, context welcome. which comment below what?
[15:14:37] <vivek___>	 andre__: I saw  the comment mentioned by thiemowmde.
[15:15:58] <andre__>	 vivek___, where?
[15:16:06] <andre__>	 vivek___, you need to provide links for statements.
[15:16:15] <andre__>	 otherwise nobody knows what you're talking about :)
[15:16:21] <andre__>	 I guess you refer to some task in Phabricator.
[15:16:28] <vivek___>	 andre__: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159678
[15:16:33] <andre__>	 If you want others to understand, please provide the link to that task in Phabricator
[15:16:41] <andre__>	 I remember that link was posted here maybe 24 hours ago.
[15:16:54] <andre__>	 and I cannot scroll back that far in my buffer.
[15:17:26] <andre__>	 vivek___, so there is no "page-image-free", but "page_image_free" I guess.
[15:18:04] <andre__>	 vivek___, what have you tried so far to find ""?
[15:18:08] <andre__>	 err "page_image_free"
[15:18:17] <andre__>	 what do you need help with, basically? :)
[15:19:37] <andre__>	 Have you already cloned the WikibaseRepository and PageImages code repositories?
[15:35:10] <vivek___>	 andre__No I had not cloned both the WikibaseRepository and PageImages.
[15:35:19] <andre__>	 vivek___, why not?
[15:35:57] * andre__ asks having https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker#Feedback.2C_questions_and_support in mind
[15:36:18] <andre__>	 vivek___: Was it unclear that these repositories are related? Or did you have problems finding these repositories?
[15:36:30] <andre__>	 Being explicit about the problems you face, and what you have tried already, is welcome :)
[15:37:30] <vivek___>	 andre__: Okay,I will first try to clone.I found a problem how to start with this.
[15:38:00] <andre__>	 vivek___: I will explicitly ask: Have you read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker#Feedback.2C_questions_and_support  ?
[15:38:35] <andre__>	 because that section might help understand how to effectively ask for help. :)
[15:39:24] <andre__>	 Communication on IRC might be sometimes a bit confusing, so please keep in mind that nobody can look over your shoulder or know what exactly you've already tried or not. :)
[15:55:23] <vivek___>	 andre__: Yeah I,read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker#Feedback.2C_questions_and_support  ? and I found that to start work with the Extension.Thanks.
[15:55:52] <andre__>	 vivek___: If you get stuck somewhere, please explain in this channel. Happy to help!
[15:56:47] <vivek___>	 andre__: Yeah sure, thanks.
[16:11:08] <vivek___>	 andre__: Can you share me the link for cloning?
[16:11:29] <andre__>	 vivek___, it is linked from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker under "Get started"
[16:11:42] <andre__>	 It covers how to download code
[16:25:41] <daksh96>	 Hey everyone, I'm Daksh and I'm a student from India. I'm interested in working with Wikimedia as a part of GSOC 2017. However, I'm a beginner JavaScript learner. Will my skills be of any use if I apply to work with Wikimedia?
[16:27:26] <andre__>	 daksh96: hi and welcome!
[16:27:35] <andre__>	 daksh96, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_programs
[16:28:49] <daksh96>	 Thanks @andre__, I'll take a look :)
[16:29:25] <andre__>	 daksh96, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker also has some good stuff to read
[16:31:24] <daksh96>	 Sure, thanks @andre__
[17:13:30] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Okay before I have another row with someone 
[17:13:49] <ShakespeareFan00>	 How are you SUPPOSED to do multi-paragraph footnotes?
[17:14:42] <ShakespeareFan00>	 If I do them as standard wikitext surounded by <ref></ref> Tgas the ENTIRITY of paragrpah structure gets crunched.
[17:19:00] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:An_Answer_to_the_Declaration_of_the_American_Congress.djvu/11
[17:19:29] <ShakespeareFan00>	 For some reason Paragraph structure is crushed inside <ref></ref> tags
[17:30:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Sandbox 
[17:41:28] <ShakespeareFan00>	 meaning I've used a {{nop}} to try and get it formatting nicely...
[17:41:56] <ShakespeareFan00>	 but this causes the generation of some weird HTML
[18:04:16] <ShakespeareFan00>	 This needs a long term fix
[20:37:59] <justinl>	 Anyone here familiar with the initSiteStats.php maintenance script?
[20:38:38] <justinl>	 oh actually never mind :P 
[21:09:26] <mikesal>	 without installing mediawiki, is an editor's IP saved anywhere in the database?
[21:09:33] <mikesal>	 without installing checkuser i mean
[21:09:48] <legoktm>	 yes, in the recentchanges.rc_ip column
[21:10:05] <legoktm>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Recentchanges_table#rc_ip
[21:11:16] <mikesal>	 is that the only place?
[21:11:29] <mikesal>	 i thought the IP was associated with edits
[21:12:34] <MTres19[m]>	 mikesal: only for anonymous users.
[21:12:47] <MTres19[m]>	 ie Users that aren't logged in.
[21:12:53] <mikesal>	 oh
[21:13:14] <mikesal>	 there was a recent spam attack against one of our public wikis and we just installed checkuser
[21:14:01] <mikesal>	 i guess i'll have to dig throguh the rc_ip in the RC table
[21:15:20] <MTres19[m]>	 mikesal: hopefully it was less than 30 days ago, since RC entries older than 30 days are regularly deleted.
[21:15:47] <mikesal>	 isn't it 90 days?
[21:16:56] <MTres19[m]>	 Maybe.
[21:17:15] <MTres19[m]>	 Can't remember. :o
[21:22:12] <Vulpix>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCMaxAge 90 days by default
[21:22:30] <Vulpix>	 you can also check the server's access_log (if enabled)
[21:42:26] <JoshTheRoman>	 Is anyone here?
[21:42:27] <wm-bot>	 Hi JoshTheRoman, I am here, if you need anything, please ask, otherwise no one is going to help you... Thank you
[22:13:09] <JoshTheRoman>	 does anyone know how to fix the template displayed here?
[22:13:22] <JoshTheRoman>	 http://pastebin.com/VxsdwvpQ
[22:13:43] <JoshTheRoman>	 I'm trying to place a table within a template
[22:18:49] <Vulpix>	 JoshTheRoman: maybe you need to put <nowiki/> just the line before the table, so the table starts on a new line
[22:19:22] <Vulpix>	 otherwise, parser functions trim spaces before the parameter content