[01:42:14] <PonglesEsquire>	 Hello all! I am having problems with ParserFunctions, it doesn't seem to be working on my install even though it shows it in the extensions list on Special:Version. When I use the #if it just displays as text
[01:45:16] <bawolff>	 Did you add the #if to the page prior to installing the extension? Could be some sort of caching issue (Although that would be odd as any edit to LocalSettings.php is supposed to kill all caches)
[01:46:34] <bawolff>	 How exactly are you using #if? If you go to Special:ExpandTemplates and input something like {{#if:true|yes|no}} is that entire string being output?
[01:48:10] <PonglesEsquire>	 Going to Special:ExpandTemplates and entering that worked so it might be a cache issue? I'll try making a new page and copying it over by hand
[01:49:20] <PonglesEsquire>	 Remaking the template did not work, it still has the same issue
[01:49:33] <PonglesEsquire>	 even when I include it to another page
[01:49:43] <bawolff>	 If its a complicated template, there could be something else going wrong causing the text to show up
[01:50:23] <PonglesEsquire>	 shouldn't be that complicated, is it okay if I link to it?
[01:50:27] <bawolff>	 yeah
[01:50:35] <PonglesEsquire>	 https://doormonster.wiki/wiki/Template:Pongbox2
[01:50:57] <bawolff>	 You're missing the colon
[01:51:05] <bawolff>	 needs to be {{#if: ...
[01:51:32] <PonglesEsquire>	 ...
[01:51:36] <PonglesEsquire>	 wow I feel dumb
[01:52:10] <bawolff>	 template syntax is super confusing, minor typos happen a lot, you're not alone
[01:53:15] <PonglesEsquire>	 yeah, but I really shouldn't be this newbish at it. I'm basically repeating work I did last year but completely forgot how to do
[02:12:03] <PonglesEsquire>	 Okay now I have a new problem, for some reason including the template adds a big chunk of empty space above it
[05:07:29] <hppavilion[1]>	 God does not roll normal dice with the universe
[05:07:34] <hppavilion[1]>	 He rolls quantum d20s
[07:24:20] <CasperVector>	 Hello channel, I converted my MW database from utf8 to (recommended) binary using `alter table ... convert to character set binary;' (except for the `searchindex' table) and `alter database wiki character set binary;', and switched to `$wgDBTableOptions = "ENGINE=InnoDB, DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8";' in `LocalSettings.php', and find I cannot log into my wiki site (`There seems to be a problem with your 
[07:24:26] <CasperVector>	 login session; ...').  How can I fix this?  Many thanks.
[07:27:07] <CasperVector>	 (Correction: I switched `$wgDBTableOptions' from `ENGINE=InnoDB, DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8' to `ENGINE=InnoDB, DEFAULT CHARSET=binary'...)
[08:00:58] <CasperVector>	 CasperVector: Additionally, I tried to modify `$wgMainCacheType' and `$wgSessionCacheType', all to no avail as of now.
[08:44:30] <neoclust>	 hi
[08:44:55] <neoclust>	 small question,  i migrated to mw 1.27 and now my images are not visible ( see: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/First_step_with_Mate ) 
[08:45:02] <neoclust>	 where should i look to fix this ?
[08:54:17] <andre__>	 neoclust, webserver log. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug
[11:58:08] <harmaahylje>	 Is it possible to create dynamic forms/templates on Pages? Extension:Quiz is used to create Quizzes on the site, and I would like to create a form and a template in which you can define how many questions will be in the Quiz
[12:00:09] <harmaahylje>	 There seems to be this thing called #arraymap, and I was wondering if I can use it to solve this issue. Can I add arrays within arrays, so that I could then loop through them on the template?
[12:05:02] <harmaahylje>	 Well these template parameters and such are pretty poorly documented in my opinion. Very hard to get a clear image on what can be done with them
[12:06:25] <harmaahylje>	 Hmm, I guess I can create a template for a single Question, and then somehow create a form that can add multiple.
[13:43:27] <harmaahylje>	 Is there any way to get MediaWiki to give you errors?
[13:43:51] <harmaahylje>	 It seems to be a pure guess game to get things working on Pages/Templates, as you don't know what is wrong
[13:56:48] <MatmaRex>	 what kind of errors specifically?
[13:56:51] <MatmaRex>	 !debugging
[13:56:51] <wm-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[13:57:03] <MatmaRex>	 although i'm not sure if that's what you mean
[14:20:44] <emwiemaikel>	 Hello there. 
[14:20:51] <emwiemaikel>	 Does anyone know why in MW1.27 showJobs showsJobs as queued although they have finished already. Only after 20-30seconds they will not show anymore.
[14:24:30] <emwiemaikel>	 I suspect DeferredUpdates, but have no idea how that works.
[15:01:04] <wiki_guest>	 anybody have thoughts on a good name for an extension that adds functionality to scribunto, primarily to simplify making generic UI messages (ex: on wikipedia, protectedpagewarning has a switch for each protection type so it knows which groups to list, where I just made a function groups_granted_privs so you can directly get the list of groups with a priv)
[15:31:38] <wiki_guest>	 Is there an extension or built-in way to make it so certain words can be hovered over to pop-up a tooltip (to ex, explain abbreviations)?
[15:33:41] <andre__>	 wiki_guest: <abbr title="explanation">word</abbr> in standard HTML?
[15:34:39] <wiki_guest>	 that works, but I was kind of hoping for something where I wouldn't have to manually mark each instance individually. Something like a hook that would do that based on a list of words I defined somewhere
[15:39:08] <Vulpix>	 wiki_guest: none that I'm aware of. But if you know how to do the replacements in PHP, you could code it using the hook https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ParserAfterTidy
[15:40:19] <wiki_guest>	 I think the extension lingo will do what I want. I'll have to try it out
[15:41:53] <MatmaRex>	 wiki_guest: you could create templates for each word. you'd still have to explicitly use "{{foo}}" rather than "foo" in the page text, but that still beats "<abbr title="whatever">foo</abbr>" every time
[17:45:09] <SarahDer>	 Hi
[17:45:20] <SarahDer>	 I'm trying to set up a online wiki host MediaWiki
[17:45:21] <SarahDer>	 A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.[WPpE9Hlk8DbV1owuOdrqZwAAACA] 2017-04-21 17:44:20: Fatal exception of type "DBQueryError"
[17:45:29] <SarahDer>	 this is what I get because I'm not sure how to use phpMyadmin database
[17:45:30] <SarahDer>	 Please help
[17:46:05] <Vulpix>	 SarahDer: add this to LocalSettings.php: $wgShowSQLErrors = true;
[17:48:35] <SarahDer>	 Vulpix I have and it still only shows 
[17:48:37] <Vulpix>	 and maybe $wgShowExceptionDetails = true;
[17:48:37] <SarahDer>	 Database error
[17:48:37] <SarahDer>	 A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.[WPpGD2V7iZzZ7UaRXkv3tgAAABw] 2017-04-21 17:49:04: Fatal exception of type "DBQueryError"
[17:48:45] <SarahDer>	 Ok I will try that too
[17:49:26] <SarahDer>	 Still the same unfortunately :(
[17:49:35] <Vulpix>	 no more details? :(
[17:49:42] <SarahDer>	 Nope
[17:49:43] <SarahDer>	 Only that
[17:49:48] <SarahDer>	 It's when I try any action that requires database
[17:49:55] <SarahDer>	 such as creating a new account
[17:50:17] <SarahDer>	 The weird thing is it does the error but next time I try to create an account with the same name it says its existent
[17:50:18] <andre__>	 Uhm. According to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug $wgShowExceptionDetails should actually show a stacktrace.
[17:50:26] <SarahDer>	 Though it doesn't shop up in the logs
[17:50:31] <SarahDer>	 It's weird, it doesn't show anything
[17:50:50] <andre__>	 So you set $wgShowExceptionDetails to true and you still do not get a stacktrace displayed in your browser?
[17:50:57] <SarahDer>	 I'm setting it up and didn't buy a domain yet, here is my temporary wiki http://nasimos.eu.ai/mw28/index.php/Main_Page
[17:51:08] <Vulpix>	 there's also $wgShowDBErrorBacktrace = true;
[17:51:16] <SarahDer>	 I'll try that too
[17:51:58] <SarahDer>	 Now it worked
[17:52:12] <SarahDer>	 Vulpix: https://dpaste.de/mYZC
[17:52:56] <Vulpix>	 you're missing some steps to install CheckUser
[17:52:58] <Vulpix>	 !e CheckUser
[17:52:59] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser
[17:53:22] <SarahDer>	 oh. Update.php
[17:53:34] <SarahDer>	 The thing is I'm not too sure how to run that without access to a server
[17:54:06] <Vulpix>	 ah, you can run the web installer again, it will detect the database has been setup already
[17:55:07] <Vulpix>	 it will perform the same as update.php
[18:05:45] <SarahDer>	 Vuplix sorry to bother but one more question, how do you delete a user?
[18:08:13] <Vulpix>	 You can't really delete them, but you can use an extension to merge them on the same account
[18:08:15] <Vulpix>	 !e UserMerge
[18:08:15] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserMerge
[20:05:44] <emwiemaikel>	 Does anyone know why in MW1.27 showJobs shows jobs as queued although they have finished already. Only after 20-30seconds they will not show anymore.
[20:45:08] <wiki_guest>	 Wow that was tough debugging - I have a wiki where only users in certain groups have the 'read' privilege (ie a truly private wiki). Lingo, when it reads its glossary page, uses "new User()" to create a user to get the contents. This was failing since (I think) that was creating an anonymous user, which doesn't have the read privilege.
[20:55:54] <wiki_guest>	 Is there a way to construct a generic user with read privileges? Or do I create a bot account for lingo to use? Right now, I have the glossary page on the list of pages anybody can view, but I'd rather not
[20:57:40] <Skizzerz>	 I'd make a new account for Lingo to use
[20:59:49] <wiki_guest>	 and then change it to User::newFromName("Lingo") or similar?
[21:24:09] <FoxT>	 wiki_guest: If you could add a bug report on that it would be very much appreciated: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?projects=MediaWiki-extensions-Lingo
[21:39:04] <wiki_guest>	 FoxT: done https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T163608
[21:40:14] <wiki_guest>	 now I'm having an issue where updating the glossary page does not result in updated other pages - it seems they are staying cached (if I purge a page, it then shows correctly)
[21:40:17] <FoxT>	 wiki_guest: Thanks!
[21:40:41] <FoxT>	 I'll see if I can get it to work without having to create a dedicated user
[21:46:09] <wiki_guest>	 Does wfMessage depend on the current user?
[22:09:33] <Aebian>	 I have installed mediawiki again lately. But for some reason I have random wikipedia files available as far as I can tell. Is that normal? I don't think so...
[22:09:45] <Aebian>	 Images 
[22:10:29] <Zppix>	 Aebian:  such as?
[22:11:48] <Aebian>	 russian rank images I never uploaded
[22:12:05] <Skizzerz>	 check your LocalSettings.php for $wgEnableInstantCommons
[22:12:24] <Skizzerz>	 if it's true, then your wiki will automatically use images/files from Wikimedia Commons should they not exist locally
[22:12:28] <Skizzerz>	 you can set it to false to disable that behavior
[22:12:54] <Skizzerz>	 soryr
[22:13:00] <Skizzerz>	 the variable is $wgUseInstantCommons
[22:13:04] <Skizzerz>	 got it a bit wrong above
[22:13:07] <Skizzerz>	 Aebian: ^
[22:15:51] <Aebian>	 hmm ok
[22:15:56] <Aebian>	 I'll check
[22:16:26] <Aebian>	 hmm yeah its set to true
[22:16:36] <Aebian>	 then I guess thats why it works
[23:08:11] <Aebian>	 what exactly do I need to do in order to display four tables in a horizontal line together? Instead of |  the get displayed -Table1- -Table2- -Table3-  // Is there a Wiiki Way for it or do I really need to go with HTML for this?
[23:08:33] <Aebian>	 the Table wikimedia page is not really explaining that
[23:26:23] <bawolff>	 TIL: php has a yield keyword
[23:29:57] <bawolff>	 Since apparently php 5.5
[23:30:16] <bawolff>	 I didn't even slightly realize that php had generators