[02:01:57] <Extrarius>	 is there a hook for when somebody submits the form to create a new account and before it is created?
[02:05:11] <Dereckson>	 hi Extrarius 
[02:05:42] <Dereckson>	 several hooks
[02:06:18] <Dereckson>	 you can search in https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/docs/hooks.txt
[02:06:24] <Dereckson>	 or there is the AuthManager doc perhaps
[02:07:17] <Dereckson>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:SessionManager_and_AuthManager offers a cleaner solution than implement several hooks
[02:07:50] <Dereckson>	 for example, AbortNewAccount is deprecated
[02:19:53] <Extrarius>	 how about modifying the new account form to include the realname field, make it required, and have basic validation (minimum and maximum character limits, limited character set)
[08:39:27] <mamo>	 is this the place to get help for wikimedia api?
[08:39:50] <Reedy>	 yup
[08:42:25] <mamo>	 OK I have this url but im not gating image for amazon.com am I doing something wrong? 
[08:42:27] <mamo>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=json&action=query&generator=search&gsrnamespace=0&gsrsearch=amazon&gsrlimit=10&prop=pageimages|extracts|images&pilimit=max&exintro&explaintext&exsentences=1&exlimit=max
[08:43:40] <Reedy>	 mamo: It's a disambiguation page
[08:43:47] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon
[08:44:06] <Reedy>	 Uh, you're searching
[08:44:20] <mamo>	 yes im searching 
[08:45:01] <Reedy>	 You probably need some more limits setting for other things
[08:45:12] <Reedy>	 &imlimit=max
[08:45:17] <Reedy>	 Gives a load more images
[08:47:32] <mamo>	 let me try it thanks for helping
[08:57:11] <mamo>	 thank you guys!!, its work for me
[12:32:49] <gleki>	 who is in charge of copying strings from translatewiki to wikipedias? I'm interested in updating jbo.wikipedia.org. Can someone transfer localized strings?
[12:33:52] <Reedy>	 gleki: It's done automatically
[12:35:46] <gleki>	 Reedy: but i can see some strings haven't been updated for years although Translatewiki has them
[12:35:59] <Reedy>	 Has the wiki got local overrides?
[12:36:20] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/languages/i18n/jbo.json
[12:36:26] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/languages/i18n/jbo.json
[12:36:28] <Reedy>	 ffs
[12:36:33] <Reedy>	 I know what it'll be
[12:36:35] <gleki>	 Reedy: even if it had (i have no permission) the message says one should do translations at translatewiki.net
[12:36:44] <Reedy>	 The language will have dropped below a threshold to be exported
[12:37:01] <Reedy>	 Nikerabbit: ^^
[12:38:37] <Nikerabbit>	 Reedy: sounds likely
[12:38:48] <Nikerabbit>	 the export threshold is at 13% IIRC
[12:38:52] <Reedy>	 gleki: Translate more messages!
[12:39:18] <Reedy>	 about 350 translations in mw core
[12:39:54] <Reedy>	 I could do an export... if I could remember how to do it
[12:43:58] <gleki>	 Reedy: translatewiki.net is exported into https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/languages/i18n/jbo.json ?
[12:44:06] <Reedy>	 No
[12:44:21] <Reedy>	 It should be, if you had enough translations to reach the threshold
[12:44:33] <gleki>	 what is the threshold?
[12:44:41] <gleki>	 oh, 350 i see
[12:44:45] <Reedy>	 well, no
[12:44:46] <Reedy>	 13%
[12:44:53] <Reedy>	 https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ALanguageStats&x=D&language=jbo&suppresscomplete=1
[12:45:00] <Reedy>	 MediaWiki[expand]	30,457	29,882	1%	1%
[12:45:00] <Reedy>	 MediaWiki (most important messages)	585	317	45%	1%
[12:45:07] <Reedy>	 Noting, the first one includes all extensions
[12:45:11] <gleki>	 and then it would be exported automatically?
[12:45:22] <Reedy>	 Installer	305	300	1%	0%
[12:45:22] <Reedy>	 MediaWiki Action API	1,683	1,683	0%	0%
[12:45:23] <Reedy>	 MediaWiki core	3,827	3,462	9%	1%
[12:45:23] <Reedy>	 Yup
[12:45:30] <Reedy>	 I think you need 13% of mediawiki core
[12:46:14] <gleki>	 13% out of 3,827 then
[12:46:36] <Reedy>	 yeah
[12:46:39] <Reedy>	 you seem to have 9%
[12:49:56] <gleki>	 Reedy: thatnks for the explanations! issue closed :)
[13:44:44] <ScarredSun>	 So, dumb question: how, exactly, does a wiki get listed on the interwiki map by Mediawiki's standards?
[13:46:47] <Reedy>	 For everyone? Or for WMF wikis?
[14:11:42] <ScarredSun>	 Reedy: For the general MW releases (which may or may not be WMF's standards, honestly don't know)
[14:14:53] <bawolff>	 honestly, those haven't been updated in a very long time
[14:15:14] <bawolff>	 you could try starting a thread in wikitech-l, if you can convince most people there that your site would be added, I'd add it
[14:15:31] <bawolff>	 but mostly we don't add most sites to the default mw one, I think there's only like 10 in the default install
[14:20:16] <Reception123>	 Hi. Will the login centralisation issues with CentralAuth be fixed in 1.29?
[14:22:49] <andre__>	 Reception123, what are "the login centralisation issues with CentralAuth"?
[14:23:02] <andre__>	 is there a Phab task?
[14:23:43] <Reception123>	 andre__: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141482
[14:24:02] <Reception123>	 I know they are not fixed, but I'm wondering if there's still time
[14:24:16] <Reception123>	 These issues are affecting WMF wikis as well as other wikis using CentralAuth
[14:24:26] <andre__>	 Reception123, I don't see anything in that task that implies that anyone would work on this, no
[14:25:08] <Reception123>	 andre__: shouldn't the priority be High or even maybe "Unbreak now" considering that this is an important feature on WMF wikis and it's affecting logins?
[14:25:51] <andre__>	 Reception123, I don't see why this task should suddenly be urgent - this was reported nearly a year ago.
[14:26:12] <andre__>	 Reception123: also, do you know how many people have been impacted by this?
[14:26:36] <Reception123>	 Not sure on WMF, but on our wikifarm there's a lot
[14:26:55] <andre__>	 since when?
[14:27:46] <Reception123>	 since 1.28 I think
[14:28:02] <Reception123>	 It used to impact me for a while after that but then it suddenly got fixed
[14:28:55] <bawolff>	 Reception123: at first glance it doesn't even seem to be a code issue
[14:28:58] <andre__>	 if you have specific information or good reasons why you think this is an urgent task, feel free to add them as a comment to the task and why you propose a higher urgency/priority
[14:29:20] <bawolff>	 Given root cause is not fully diagnoised even, chance of fix in 1.29 is almost zero
[14:29:49] <bawolff>	 existing comments seem to imply that it might be caused by sessions expiring too fast or something
[14:30:08] <bawolff>	 If its happening at a high rate on your wiki, it may be a configuration issue
[14:30:31] <Reception123>	 bawolff: any specific configuration variables I could look at?
[14:30:40] <Reception123>	 Fixing this issue would be really great for us
[14:31:40] <bawolff>	 It might be whereever your session is stored doesn't have enough space
[14:32:01] <bawolff>	 If you're storing in memcached try giving it more memory
[14:32:17] <Vulpix>	 redis
[14:34:11] <bawolff>	 I don't know much about redis, but if you're redis as your session store I assume there's something similar about how much memory and cache eviction policy that can be adjusted
[14:42:41] <Reception123>	 bawolff Vulpix : thanks for your help! I will look into it
[15:42:39] <mertyildiran>	 Hi, I'm importing data from Wikipedia to my MediaWiki installation using this method: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps#Using_importDump.php.2C_if_you_have_shell_access
[15:43:14] <mertyildiran>	 My question is how can I automatically get the media files?
[15:48:10] <mertyildiran>	 Do I have to manually get the images from here: http://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/wikimedia/images/wikipedia/
[15:49:30] <mertyildiran>	 Also it seems a bit out dated. Is there a more convenient way? I tried instant commons but I want to store the images inside my server and don't want to load the images from Wikipedia's server to the browser.
[15:51:07] <mertyildiran>	 heey please help me
[15:51:12] <mertyildiran>	 anyone there???
[15:51:18] <mertyildiran>	 Is this room dead?
[15:51:32] <Vulpix>	 no
[15:51:39] <mertyildiran>	 @Vulpix oh great
[15:51:49] <mertyildiran>	 Did you read my question?
[15:51:55] <Vulpix>	 wikipedia, and particularly commons, has terabytes of images, you probably don't want to download all images to your server :)
[15:52:10] <mertyildiran>	 But I'm not copying en.wikipedia.org
[15:52:31] <mertyildiran>	 I'm copying tr.wikipedia.org
[15:52:39] <mertyildiran>	 It's relatively small
[15:53:24] <Vulpix>	 I don't know if tr.wikipedia.org has local uploads or it requires users to upload to commons.wikimedia.org
[15:53:41] <Vulpix>	 anyway, it probably uses commons images as well
[15:53:50] <mertyildiran>	 No no let me explain
[15:54:00] <mertyildiran>	 I'm importing the articles from XML dump
[15:54:16] <mertyildiran>	 Look at this page for example: https://lugat.org/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk
[15:54:40] <mertyildiran>	 There is an image called "Dosya:Ataturk-1905-Zubeyde-Makbule.jpg"
[15:55:01] <mertyildiran>	 How can I download/get this image from Wikipedia automatically
[15:56:08] <mertyildiran>	 Is there a script for this
[15:56:33] <Vulpix>	 automatically? with instant commons
[15:56:33] <bawolff>	 You can use instantcommons
[15:56:37] <bawolff>	 !instantcommons
[15:56:37] <wm-bot>	 InstantCommons is a feature for MediaWiki 1.16+ that allows any MediaWiki installation to use media on the Wikimedia Commons. This has basically been realized via $wgForeignFileRepos. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos>. If you're only looking to use images from Wikimedia Commons and no other wikis, you can use the shortcut setting $wgUseInstantCommons to true.
[15:56:52] <mertyildiran>	 Let's say I have only 5 articles in the database and I want to download the necessary images for these articles.
[15:57:03] <mertyildiran>	 No wikipedia.org is blocked in Turkey.
[15:57:13] <mertyildiran>	 This is why we are trying to create an alternative.
[15:57:27] <mertyildiran>	 If I use instant commons people still can not reach to the images.
[15:57:27] <bawolff>	 mertyildiran: instant commons can be configured to not hotlink
[15:57:43] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff what do you mean with hotlink?
[15:58:09] <bawolff>	 I mean mediawiki downloads the image, instead of just doing <img src="https://tr.wiki...">
[15:58:09] <mertyildiran>	 Do you mean my server can tunnel the images?
[15:58:14] <bawolff>	 yeah
[15:58:32] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff great! how can I configure it that way?
[15:58:43] <bawolff>	 its the apiThumbCacheExpiry option in wgForeignFileRepos
[16:00:05] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff could you explain more what should I exactly add to LocalSettings.php?
[16:00:14] <bawolff>	 just a minute
[16:00:27] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff OK, I'm waiting.
[16:01:23] <bawolff>	 mertyildiran: Try maybe https://dpaste.de/wdkb
[16:01:27] <bawolff>	 I haven't really tested it
[16:01:50] <bawolff>	 There's also a bug with cascading file repos, where it will only fetch descriptions from local trukey images and not commons
[16:02:53] <bawolff>	 There's not very many local files at turkey, it may make sense just to load from commons instead of turkish wiki, so the descriptions work
[16:03:03] <bawolff>	 the config I gave you to try would load from turkish
[16:03:39] <bawolff>	 The apibase field would control whether its turkish wiki or just commons
[16:04:15] <mertyildiran>	 Firstly, what do you mean with "cascading file repos"
[16:04:42] <mertyildiran>	 and secondly, both en.wikipedia.org and tr.wikipedia.org is blocked in Turkey 
[16:04:59] <mertyildiran>	 actually wikipedia.org domain is completely blocked
[16:05:01] <bawolff>	 hmm, that config was wrong
[16:05:17] <mertyildiran>	 https://lugat.org/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk
[16:05:21] <mertyildiran>	 This page is now working
[16:05:25] <bawolff>	 just a second
[16:05:31] <mertyildiran>	 my server is in the US
[16:05:43] <mertyildiran>	 by the way don't misunderstood
[16:06:19] <mertyildiran>	 I can reach to en.wikipedia.org and tr.wikipedia.org from my server without any problem
[16:06:47] <mertyildiran>	 by the way don't misunderstand the situtation
[16:06:52] <mertyildiran>	 *by the way don't misunderstand the situtation
[16:09:07] <bawolff>	 oh, the config was right
[16:10:10] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff your configuration working flawlessly as it seems there is no problem.
[16:10:26] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff can I ask you more questions?
[16:11:00] <bawolff>	 mertyildiran: What i mean by cascading file repos is: If you go to a page like https://lugat.org/Dosya:Example.png, there is no description. But images direct from turkish wikipedia are ok e.g. https://lugat.org/Dosya:Ver_Elini_%C4%B0stanbul.jpg
[16:11:46] <mertyildiran>	 hmm OK I get it
[16:11:51] <bawolff>	 there are only a small number of images direct from tr.wikipedia.org, so it might make sense to use apibase of https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php which will only include images from commons.wikimedia.org and not tr.wikipedia.org, but then the images from commons would have correct description pages
[16:12:30] <mertyildiran>	 hmm OK I will try both
[16:12:42] <bawolff>	 err, nevermind, there are actually quite a lot of files locally in turkish https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96zel:MediaStatistics
[16:12:52] <bawolff>	 feel free to ask any other questions
[16:13:08] <mertyildiran>	 my next question is my <ref> tags are not working. Is there an extension is missing on my installation?
[16:13:33] <bawolff>	 !e cite
[16:13:33] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:cite
[16:13:57] <mertyildiran>	 great! thanks :)
[16:14:00] <bawolff>	 https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96zel:S%C3%BCr%C3%BCm has a list, but not all of them are important and some are really hard to install
[16:14:01] <mertyildiran>	 one more question
[16:14:28] <mertyildiran>	 OK good
[16:14:36] <bawolff>	 also full config files are available at https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ (however the config files are for all wikimedia, and really hard to understand/read)
[16:14:41] <mertyildiran>	 This page has a legend on left: https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk
[16:14:54] <mertyildiran>	 But my version does not have a legend: https://lugat.org/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk
[16:15:04] <mertyildiran>	 How can I enable the legends?
[16:15:33] <mertyildiran>	 I mean that informative box long vertical on left
[16:15:52] <mertyildiran>	 I don't what is the name of that part
[16:16:00] <bawolff>	 looks like you're missing https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Eablon:Makam_sahibi_bilgi_kutusu and other templates
[16:16:02] <mertyildiran>	 infobox vcard
[16:16:06] <bawolff>	 they are usually called "infoboxes"
[16:16:11] <bawolff>	 !wptemplates
[16:16:11] <wm-bot>	 To copy templates from Wikipedia, use Special:Export and check the "Include templates" option to get all the sub-templates, then upload the file with Special:Import on your wiki. You'll also likely have to install the ParserFunctions extension, Scribunto extension and install/enable HTML tidy. You also might need some CSS from Wikipedia's Common.css. You'll also need a lot of...
[16:16:41] <bawolff>	 umm, but if you're importing the whole dump, its probably better to import a dump that includes templates ( as opossed to importing one by one with special:export)
[16:17:33] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff I do not understand how to enable "infoboxes"
[16:17:54] <mertyildiran>	 Could you explain it again please?
[16:18:36] <bawolff>	 I assume you imported from a dump right?
[16:18:38] <bawolff>	 e.g. https://dumps.wikimedia.org/trwiki/20170501/
[16:18:51] <mertyildiran>	 yes exactly this xml dump
[16:19:33] <bawolff>	 you maybe used a dump that didn't have templates in it
[16:19:41] <bawolff>	 you need one of the dumps that have all pages
[16:19:56] <bawolff>	 e.g https://dumps.wikimedia.org/trwiki/20170501/trwiki-20170501-pages-meta-history.xml.7z
[16:20:20] <bawolff>	 or https://dumps.wikimedia.org/trwiki/20170501/trwiki-20170501-pages-meta-current.xml.bz2 if you don't want old versions of pages
[16:21:10] <bawolff>	 the problem is you're missing some pages. The infobox is actually the page named https://lugat.org/%C5%9Eablon:Makam_sahibi_bilgi_kutusu
[16:21:12] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff so only these dumps have the infoboxes?
[16:21:54] <mertyildiran>	 OK I get it
[16:21:59] <mertyildiran>	 So what should I do now
[16:22:09] <bawolff>	 In theory I actually thought all of them had templates, but it appears that you don't have templates for some reason
[16:22:11] <mertyildiran>	 Do I have to reinstall the whole MediaWiki?
[16:23:05] <bawolff>	 umm, possibly
[16:23:11] <mertyildiran>	 or is just stopping the import and continuing with the dumps you have provided is OK?
[16:23:32] <mertyildiran>	 OMG :((
[16:23:57] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolf are you on Gitter?
[16:24:51] <bawolff>	 I've never heard of it
[16:25:08] <bawolff>	 mertyildiran: Is the dump still running
[16:25:23] <bawolff>	 it could be that you have the right dump, and it just hasn't gotten to the templates yet
[16:25:26] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff yeah dump is still running
[16:25:46] <bawolff>	 ok, I'd wait a little while then until its done, its possible templates are at the end of the dump or something
[16:26:16] <mertyildiran>	 oh yeah it could be
[16:27:00] <mertyildiran>	 how do we know how many pages the dump have?
[16:28:22] <bawolff>	 I guess you could grep the element that introduces a new page in the xml file and pipe to wc
[16:28:42] <bawolff>	 https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96zel:%C4%B0statistikler is total for turkish
[16:28:54] <bawolff>	 but I'm not sure which dump you have, so it may or may not have all those pages
[16:29:02] <Vulpix>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Ciencia_Al_Poder/Extract_page_from_XML_dump
[16:37:54] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff and @Vulpix thank you so much for these informations. I could maybe ask more questions in the following days. Take care...
[17:23:17] <bawolff>	 Glad to help
[18:06:38] <Extrarius>	 Is there any kind of guide on how to modify forms on wiki, specifically the create account form to add a field with basic validation?
[18:58:47] <HakanIST>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=gblrename&user=&page=&oldname=Fenerli1978
[18:59:08] <HakanIST>	 is there a quick way to find out api equevelant results for this ?
[19:46:06] <Vulpix>	 HakanIST: there's https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&format=json&list=logevents&letype=gblrename however there's no oldname parameter in the api
[19:53:53] <HakanIST>	 Vulpix: that param is essential for my bot,  do you think there's an alternative way?
[19:57:49] <Vulpix>	 report a bug if none exists already. See if scraping the HTML of the Special:Log page is an option for you in the meantime :P
[20:00:04] <HakanIST>	 good old scraping yea :-)
[20:57:01] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff hey me again. While importing the XML dump of tr.wikipedia my logo suddenly changed to original tr.wikipedia logo: https://lugat.org/Ana_Sayfa
[20:57:32] <mertyildiran>	 But I can't see such change in LocalSettings.php. How is that possible?
[21:00:03] <Vulpix>	 mertyildiran: maybe being overridden at MediaWiki:Common.css or MediaWiki:Vector.css
[21:04:44] <mertyildiran>	 @Vulpix where are these files I mean location/directory
[21:05:00] <Vulpix>	 mertyildiran: it's not a file, but a page
[21:06:09] <mertyildiran>	 @Vulpix oh I just realized that yeah. So how can I change this line to accept LocalSettings.php : background-image: url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/tr/b/bc/Wiki.png") !important;
[21:06:23] <mertyildiran>	 @Vulpix oh I just realized that yeah. So how can I change this line to accept LocalSettings.php:
[21:06:24] <mertyildiran>	 background-image: url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/tr/b/bc/Wiki.png") !important;
[21:07:02] <Vulpix>	 this is CSS code, not related to LocalSettings.php
[21:07:34] <mertyildiran>	 oh so effect of LocalSettings.php irreversibly gone?
[21:08:14] <Vulpix>	 edit the page and remove the line
[21:10:05] <mertyildiran>	 @Vulpix OK I fixed the logo thank you very much: https://lugat.org/Ana_Sayfa
[21:10:09] <mertyildiran>	 I have one more issue.
[21:11:05] <mertyildiran>	 I have installed cite extension by adding wfLoadExtension( 'Cite' ); to LocalSettings.php
[21:11:10] <mertyildiran>	 https://lugat.org/%C3%96zel:S%C3%BCr%C3%BCm
[21:11:28] <mertyildiran>	 But <ref> tags still don't work: https://lugat.org/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk
[21:12:20] <Vulpix>	 mertyildiran: did you enabled the extension before or after the import?
[21:12:39] <mertyildiran>	 @Vulpix import of the data you mean?
[21:12:53] <Vulpix>	 yes
[21:12:57] <mertyildiran>	 after :(
[21:13:14] <bawolff>	 Actually that shouldnt matter
[21:13:38] <Vulpix>	 unless page content is cached :)
[21:13:42] <bawolff>	 Since edit to LocalSettings.php should kill cached entries in theory
[21:13:45] <mertyildiran>	 I did not download any files to extensions/Cite because there are files already there
[21:14:20] <mertyildiran>	 Ctrl + F5 not working either
[21:14:43] <mertyildiran>	 Should I restart apache?
[21:14:50] <bawolff>	 Although its appearent thats not true i guess
[21:15:08] <bawolff>	 No, restarting apache does nothing
[21:15:10] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff what is not true
[21:15:27] <bawolff>	 That installing cite clears all cache
[21:15:32] <bawolff>	 its supposed to
[21:15:44] <bawolff>	 but that didnt happen for you
[21:15:53] <bawolff>	 so i guess it does not
[21:16:56] <bawolff>	 Its not cache related. ?action=purge did not fix it
[21:17:43] * bawolff not sure why
[21:19:29] <mertyildiran>	 I can't see any References section at the bottom of the pages either
[21:20:27] <Vulpix>	 the wiki is actually open for editing
[21:20:40] <Vulpix>	 previewing the page doesn't make them work
[21:20:55] <bawolff>	 I got a timeout on preview...
[21:21:45] <bawolff>	 mertyildiran: you should install ParserFunctions extension (and probably Scribunto)
[21:23:09] <Vulpix>	 doing a preview of only the <ref> works, though
[21:23:18] <bawolff>	 But <ref> does work in special:expandtemplates...
[21:23:22] <bawolff>	 jinx
[21:24:37] <Vulpix>	 works for me now
[21:26:10] <mertyildiran>	 I have added wfLoadExtension( 'ParserFunctions' ); still it does not work for me
[21:26:25] <mertyildiran>	 @Vulpix how does it work for you?
[21:26:36] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff how can I add scribunto
[21:26:37] <Vulpix>	 I mean in Special:ExportTemplates
[21:26:52] <Vulpix>	 *ExpandTemplates
[21:26:56] <bawolff>	 The parserfunctions was for a different issue
[21:27:31] <bawolff>	 yeah it worked for me in expandtemplates too. Its really weird
[21:27:56] <Vulpix>	 it doesn't hit parser limits apparently
[21:28:28] <mertyildiran>	 @Vulpix could you tell me what should I do step by step please 
[21:28:32] <bawolff>	 mertyildiran: some of the extra html junk (e.g. </br> on the article you linked above is caused by no html tidy
[21:28:34] <mertyildiran>	 because I do not understand
[21:28:56] <Vulpix>	 using {{:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk}} on Special:ExpandTemplates display them properly
[21:28:57] <bawolff>	 mertyildiran: we dont understand either
[21:29:04] <mertyildiran>	 lol
[21:29:14] <bawolff>	 huh.
[21:29:44] <mertyildiran>	 What do you mean with this "using {{:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk}} on Special:ExpandTemplates display them properly"?
[21:29:48] <mertyildiran>	 Could you provide a link?
[21:30:03] <Vulpix>	 hmmm, the output is definitively cached
[21:30:19] <Vulpix>	 change anything of the wikitext and preview, it works
[21:31:28] <Vulpix>	 this is the preview caching introduced in 1.27 or 1.28, I don't remember
[21:31:41] <mertyildiran>	 @Vulpix yeah it worked in preview wtf :D
[21:32:04] <mertyildiran>	 Restarting apache clears cache I will do it after import thanks!
[21:32:08] <Vulpix>	 setting https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCacheEpoch may solve this
[21:33:06] <mertyildiran>	 $wgCacheEpoch = max( $wgCacheEpoch, gmdate( 'YmdHis', @filemtime( __FILE__ ) ) );
[21:33:22] <mertyildiran>	 This will clear the cache did I understand correctly?
[21:33:32] <bawolff>	 Thats the default
[21:34:12] <bawolff>	 Its supposed to clear cache on any edit ti LocalSettings.php, but i dont think it is
[21:34:21] <mertyildiran>	 so what should I assign to $wgCacheEpoch
[21:34:22] <Vulpix>	 it should make cached pages as obsolete, so cache should be discarded, but doesn't seem to work for you
[21:35:03] <bawolff>	 What type of caching are you using (e.g. what is wgMainCacheType ?
[21:35:36] <mertyildiran>	 ## Shared memory settings $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_ACCEL; $wgMemCachedServers = [];
[21:35:53] <mertyildiran>	 I choose PHP blabla caching I forgot :D
[21:36:10] <bawolff>	 thats probably the best choice
[21:37:13] <mertyildiran>	 I'm using VestaCP there could be some different caching mechanism on my server that I'm not aware
[21:37:32] <mertyildiran>	 Standard VestaCP installation Ubuntu 16.04
[21:39:43] <bawolff>	 Hmm. You have a lot of pending jobs
[21:40:05] <bawolff>	 can you run the maintenance script runJobs.php
[21:40:06] <mertyildiran>	 What do you mean?
[21:40:48] <bawolff>	 its how mediawiki handles asynchronous actions
[21:41:04] <bawolff>	 https://lugat.org/api.php?meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics&action=query
[21:41:13] <mertyildiran>	 I'm currently running "nohup php importDump.php < trwiki-20170501-pages-articles-multistream.xml &" at the background
[21:41:33] <mertyildiran>	 Is there a conflicting risk of these two scripts runJobs.php and importDump.php
[21:42:09] <mertyildiran>	 56849 wow even Steve Jobs has less jobs
[21:42:22] <bawolff>	 It should be ok to run at same time
[21:43:59] <bawolff>	 I dont actually think it will fix your issue, but it might help things
[21:44:09] <mertyildiran>	 should I run it with "nohup php runJobs.php &" or just "php runJobs.php" because it seems it's a long execution
[21:44:26] <mertyildiran>	 could it speed up the importing process?
[21:46:09] <bawolff>	 No, it wont speed up the import process
[21:46:48] <bawolff>	 you can start or stop runJobs.php at any time with no ill effects. So i wouldnt worry about nohup
[21:48:21] <mertyildiran>	 @bawolff OK I will try thanks a lot! You guys are the best!
[21:56:16] <bawolff_>	 mertyildiran: I note, if i go to Special:Random, most pages on your wiki seem to have citations working, just not that one
[22:11:54] <new2ip>	 installed apache and mediawiki from repo's on a fedora box, when I go to http://boxname/wiki/mw-config.php I get php code on the screen.  Whats most likely wrong?
[22:12:33] <MatmaRex>	 new2ip: you probably have to install a package like apache-php5
[22:12:47] <MatmaRex>	 (i have no idea what it might be called on fedora, but it should be along these lines)
[22:17:40] <mertyildiran>	 thanks @bawolff I followed you on GitHub
[22:17:48] <mertyildiran>	 @Vulpix are you on GitHub?
[22:17:56] <new2ip>	 ok, looking for something along those lines
[23:51:01] <eddiegp>	  /clear