[08:16:26] <ss_gg>	 hello, am suffering surfing wikipedia.. suddenly everything is slow
[08:16:27] <ss_gg>	 how to solve it
[10:29:50] <vrederv>	 Hey folks can trailing whitespace in article source code be significant? Or can it be mindlessly stripped?
[15:15:33] <notze>	 hey guys
[15:15:48] <notze>	 what plugin do i have to install to enable inline editing like here?
[15:15:48] <notze>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EtherpadLite
[15:27:13] <andre__>	 notze, what is "inline editing"?
[15:58:56] <notze>	 hey guys 
[15:59:03] <notze>	 i treid to install absuefilter extension
[15:59:08] <notze>	 but the tables is not created 
[15:59:11] <notze>	 what did i forget?
[15:59:24] <Vulpix>	 !e AbuseFilter
[15:59:24] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter
[15:59:44] <Vulpix>	 notze: did you run the update script?
[15:59:57] <notze>	 Vulpix, i could not locate it
[16:00:04] <notze>	 is it in the base dir of the mediwiki?
[16:00:19] <Reedy>	 !update
[16:00:20] <wm-bot>	 update.php is a script that updates the database tables. You usually need to run it after upgrading MediaWiki or installing certain extensions. For details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Run_the_update_script>
[16:00:34] <Reedy>	 it's in the maintenance folder of the base dir of mw
[16:07:08] <notze>	 thx Vulpix thats it :D
[16:08:45] <Vulpix>	 good :)
[16:25:40] <funny>	 What's framework
[16:59:29] <notze>	 'VisualEditor is not compatible with the current MediaWiki core (version 1.28.2), where can i find latest version for 1.28.2 
[17:01:43] <notze>	 goti it
[17:13:22] <andre__>	 funny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_framework
[17:31:01] <funny>	 Who needs/learns/use language? Who learns/use framework😃
[17:34:51] <andre__>	 funny: Your question is a bit hard to understand. If I get it right, it is a very broad question and not specifically about MediaWiki or Wikimedia, so a book about software development might answer that. :)
[17:35:38] <funny>	 Who uses/learn both? My question was incomplete
[17:35:50] <andre__>	 funny: both what?
[17:36:21] <andre__>	 Frameworks are also written in languages. And you need a language in your code so your code can use the framework. Hence you always need both.
[17:40:51] <funny>	 Both=framework and language
[17:45:15] <andre__>	 see my answer above.
[17:45:29] <funny>	 Ok
[20:12:21] <larry8>	 Anyone aware of any attempt to connect Translate extension to Google Translate API? I was surprised to not find support for it or anyone talking about it.
[20:39:24] <andre__>	 larry8: Did you mean https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation instead?
[21:13:59] <larry8>	 andre__: No, I'm talking about https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate  Translate has plugins for Microsoft, Apertium and a bunch of other engines.
[21:14:44] <larry8>	 Had not seen ContentTranslation before...
[21:15:15] <larry8>	 Now I'm confused. How does this fit in with Translate?
[21:16:32] <MatmaRex>	 it's entirely separate
[21:17:46] <larry8>	 I'm running a customer facing wiki for a software-as-a-service company. It's documentation about our product, and we want to start translating.
[21:18:13] <larry8>	 Wondering which extension is right for us.
[21:20:01] <Vulpix>	 Content translation is when you want to translate an entire page once (the first time), and then each language can diverge in content
[21:20:24] <Vulpix>	 Translate is when you want all languages to remain consistent
[21:24:28] <larry8>	 I see.
[21:24:48] <larry8>	 So perhaps Content Translation is not for us, since we want all translations to remain consistent.
[21:25:11] <larry8>	 Trying to think of a case where it'd be ok for a translated page to diverge significantly.
[21:27:33] <Vulpix>	 it's for Wikipedia, for example, when wiki in one language uses the page in another language as a start
[21:29:17] <larry8>	 I find myself wishing I could use ContentTranslation's workflow, but then keep pages in sync using Translation's toolset.