[09:39:53] Can anyone tell me how I would get https://wiki.crygaia.org/view/Template:Webarchive to work in the way suggested in Usage? (one template for making links after a URL like [http://wikipedia.org wikipedia.org]([linkhere Webcitation archive])([linkhere Archive.is])([linkhere Wayback machine]) - similar to the one on Wikipedia but without needing a lua program to work like wikipedia's one ( [09:39:54] ... [09:39:54] ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Archive needs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Webarchive which seems to be much more complicated than to be able to copy paste it to another wiki ) [12:29:49] kittymeow: just copy an earlier version of the template from the history? [18:47:44] Hello everybody: I have a very basic question. Can you help me understanding a basic concept? [18:49:58] !ask darkgaze [18:49:58] Please feel free to ask your question: if anybody who knows the answer is around, they will surely reply. Don't ask for help or for attention before actually asking your question, that's just a waste of time – both yours and everybody else's. :) [18:49:59] I have several categories with articles with very similar or same names. I don't think I should use namespaces for this. I just have : X for Y , X for Z..... should I create the pages with the complete names to avoid name clashes? [18:51:07] Example. Scripting for Maya / Scripting for Blender / Scripting for Visual Studio... All of them are inside different categories (Maya, Blender, Visual Studio)... and each of them could just be "scripting"... but since they have the same name... how should I do this? [18:52:17] On Wikipedia they'll be named as Scripting (Maya) / Scripting (Blender) / Scripting (Visual Studio) [18:52:35] The name of all articles inside category "Maya" ... need to have that "in Maya" or "for Maya" suffix... otherwise it will have name clashes in the future. But that's really redundant and really bad looking. [18:52:58] Yeah, but can I create a page called Scripting inside that category? That will have name clashes for that URL I guess [18:53:31] Create a page named Scripting that will contain only links to the other 3 pages [18:54:05] mmm But they live inside each of those three main categories in my wiki. I don't want to have them in the same page. [18:54:33] What I want to avoid is adding the "in Maya" suffix to every single page I create. The subjects are very similar if not the same on each software category. :-( [18:55:18] What do you think? I'm a programmer... what I'd normally do is creating a Namespace. I don't think that's what it's for here... [18:55:21] that's unavoidable if you want 3 different pages for the same topic [18:55:37] Well it's the same topic in different softwares....in different categories. [18:55:39] creating a namespace is overkill for this [18:55:49] :-( Yeah, that's what I thought [18:55:56] I see.... [18:56:15] So i'll have to add that suffix to everything... and then rename the page name displayed, I guess? (... can I do that?... ) [18:56:47] not everything, just those 3 pages (and others that will have a common name for different topics) [18:57:31] you may change the display title with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#DISPLAYTITLE [18:58:00] mmm. Common name for different topics? I don't know if I'll have the same topic name... in the future... [18:58:04] Cool , thanks Vulpix! [18:58:09] yw [18:58:26] So I have to add a suffix to be sure ! [18:58:27] darkgaze: Maybe use subpages? Create a Page "Maya" for the programming language and then use "Maya/Scripting", "Maya/Whatever_Othertopic"? [18:58:39] Oh, subpages? [18:58:50] everybody can add a suffix to a page name, but not create new namespaces [18:59:04] I didn't know that existed. [18:59:38] So you suggest I should add, for example: maya_scripting , visual_studio_scripting, ... to those? [19:00:07] Basically it's just a simple page named "Foo/Bar". Mediawiki will treat that as a subpage, where the parent is named "Foo" and the page is named "Bar" [19:00:18] I just don't like the fact that the url gets created through the page name... really. Also because I'm writing the base wiki pages in spanish. I have to learn more about localization... [19:00:32] Cool, that's nice, eddiegp. I'll look into that [19:00:35] using subpages everywhere will have the same burden as using suffix everywhere (including links pointing to those pages), instead of using suffix *only* on pages with the same name [19:00:49] Vulpix , subpages could help me here? [19:00:56] Oh I see. [19:00:56] ^ [19:01:21] Ok... I think I'll use the suffix. [19:02:45] Ok. I think I have to think about the localization problem. Will the main url be the same for the different language pages? [19:03:00] In that case I shouldn't be creating the page in spanish, for example. [19:07:40] multi-language wikis are more difficult to manage. on MediaWiki.org we use the Translate extension, and all pages use the english name, and each language is a subpage of the english one (Main_page, Main_page/es, Main_page/de, etc) [19:08:30] ugh. It's just two languages, really. I thought this was a very basic feature in wikis, really. :-( [19:11:26] That translate addon is nice. Any serious drawback ? [19:11:54] Is it working nice for you Vulpix? [19:12:54] The idea of that extension is to make a page in each language use the same structure and even sentences. It won't work if you want to maintain each language structured differently. [19:13:51] It works well in mediawiki.org because of that, but it won't work on wikipedia, for example, because each language may want to structure the article content differently [19:14:12] Yes. I want it to have a different content, sometimes [19:14:15] it's independent [19:14:31] Maybe I should create another wiki for that?... [19:14:48] :-( I wish both laguages could be linked between them [19:15:55] the suffix problem gets worse. haha [19:15:55] well, you may still use subpages for each languages, just don't use the Translate extension [19:16:13] so a subpage for each article page, you mean? [19:16:29] (each article translation I create, I mean) [19:16:36] yes [19:18:25] ok. I'll think about it. having english right now is not a priority . I just wanted to prepare it for that. I can do that later [19:18:29] Thanks a lot guys, for your time! [19:19:13] yw [19:26:53] Hey guys. I just came up with another question: What if the page url and name is in english and the displayed title is spanish (for now). Will google index the english name or the spanish one? [19:36:12] /leave [19:36:21] Lmao I thought this was slack oops [19:36:25] Anybody? :) [19:36:26] How 2 irc [19:36:34] darkgaze: the spanish one, since it will be in the page title. However, it may appear also on english searches as well, or "allinurl:" queries [19:36:36] Sorry darkgaze I’m not very familiar with mediawiki [19:39:40] OK. Thanks Vulpix :-) I'll have to deal with this. [23:58:39] I am getting this when I try to access my localhost mediawiki. https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/api.php [23:58:48] I just updated to 17.10? [23:59:08] do I have to reinstall this?