[00:21:57] Hello, can I ask about planned mediawiki features here? It doesn't appear to be covered in the gerrit list. [00:23:06] rob__: what do you mean? [00:23:16] also, what is "the gerrit list"? [00:23:38] This is the gerrit list: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/ [00:24:07] ok, that's just a list of projects that have their code hosted on gerrit [00:24:21] it has almost nothing to do with planned features [00:24:45] what are you looking for regarding planned features? [00:25:32] Ok, that's where clicked through to looking for it. I was wondering what mediawiki is planning in terms of learning software that's more interactive. [00:27:09] so, to answer your specific q ("learning software that is more interactive"), could you tell me what you mean by "learning software" and "interactive" since those are very broad terms. [00:27:24] For example, learning new mathematical methods and how to write in a new programming language. [00:28:30] If the software could parse syntax it could tell you whether you understood what you read in a wikibook or similar, rather than only reading a complete example. [00:29:10] So, there are bits of mw that could be used that way but they aren't specifically for that purpose [00:29:47] Example: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox [00:31:40] Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lua [00:32:21] but these are specific to mw and wikipedia [00:33:02] and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Sandbox [00:33:33] and that is answering the specific question "How do I get MediaWiki to parse Lua?" [00:33:43] That's certainly in the right direction. [00:33:53] not "How do I build an instructional website with MW?" [00:37:13] I think having a good test case would be informative, if this hasn't been tried before. The Linear Algebra wikibook has a lot of well written problems with answers. If it could produce more new problems and know that you had the right answer that's likely going to be helpful to new students of the topic. [00:38:00] URL for Linear Algebra wikibook? [00:38:22] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linear_Algebra [00:39:17] So for example this page has a textbook style dump of problems: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linear_Algebra/Definition_and_Examples_of_Linear_Independence [00:39:27] If you don't have the resources to do this yourself, you could ask the WMF to build such (but that isn't likely) or find someone with the ability to help you develop something and apply for a grant (slightly more likely) [00:40:17] Well my main languages are C and Python, but I've not contributed to the source before and would likely need a mentor [00:41:48] so the FE is PHP/JS which is what you would need, I think. [00:42:50] This is why I think I would need an old hand on side, it's a non-trivial feature in languages I'm less familiar with [00:43:50] Are you thinking about doing this as a side project? [00:44:22] It depends on the scale, really [00:45:54] I can't quite tell if I can make that change without altering MediaWiki itself. That Lua scripting page seems to indicate that I could. [00:46:30] You could probably build something in JS [00:46:43] and that is something you could do w/o modifying core MW [00:47:12] Yeah, it wouldn't need anything server-side [00:49:47] So it appears that Lua support is restricted to parsing the page. That leaves JS [00:50:00] yep [00:50:37] probably something with gadgets [00:52:54] Right then, I'll chase that up. Thanks for helping work this out. [00:53:00] np [08:00:39] hello [08:00:42] anyone here? [08:00:42] Hi baonons, I am here, if you need anything, please ask, otherwise no one is going to help you... Thank you [08:00:51] ah nice bot [08:01:21] is media wiki an iteration of phabricator? or is phabricator an addon to mediawiki? can't seem to solve this question [08:04:40] hey wm-bot, y i get no answerz? [08:05:18] !tooquiet [08:05:18] Yes, #mediawiki has a lot of people idling. If they were all talking, there'd be no on-topic discussions at all. The channel can be social but is in no way required to be. If you take offense at the silence, you may wish to find a more social channel. If you need help, just ask, and please don't ask for help or for attention before actually asking your question, that's just a waste of time, see !ask [08:06:16] baonons: Neither. Phabricator has nothing to do (technically) with mediawiki. It's a bugtracking software wikimedia uses for development - but completely independent of mediawiki. [08:09:52] thanks @eddiegp [08:10:23] so why do i see plugins/extensions for mediawiki like sprints, etc. aren't these project management tools? [10:10:14] hi. is there any way to transclude Special:UncategorizedPages? [11:15:49] Hey, can anybody help me with creating of an mediawiki saved on lokal host? [18:04:57] anyone in here familiar with getting the notifications to work on phabricator? [18:05:38] on your own install? [18:05:47] yup [18:06:17] my notification servers say connected, but the Notifications dropdown says Disconnected [18:07:32] https://imgur.com/a/NyPBM [18:33:03] baonsla, this is a channel for the MediaWiki software. For generic Phabricator stuff, see #phabricator [19:38:25] Anyone Know if you can install MediaWiki on an IBM Power 8 Server? [19:38:59] To the best of my knowledge there is a Apache server running with PHP and MySQL Setup. [19:40:15] There was a small amount of documentation regarding a install in IBM DB2 but that support was dropped in version 1.21 [19:40:44] If support was dropped I dont think it will work, but im not quite sure Question [19:41:40] I think it would be best to use known supported OS [19:41:52] Well the support for the DB2 Database install was dropped. IBM now supports SQL code so a MySQL DB could be setup [19:41:56] Question: should be fine [19:41:58] yeah >_< [19:42:02] yeah? [19:42:19] if you have a supported version of php and mysql [19:42:47] Like it just utilizes apache and the php/sql stuff right? it doesnt actually run in the *nix environment? [19:42:48] A couple features wont work possibly [19:42:53] fair enough [19:43:11] bawolff: thanks for answering i wasnt quite sure :) [19:43:41] Question: if you can install a couple unix userland tools things will work better [19:44:13] in particular, if you dont have diff3 installed you will get edit conflicts everywhere [19:44:31] well i know there is a AIX Ubuntu i can install if it really need a *nix environment, just was hoping my existing web servers could do the job. [19:45:19] it will probably work fine. Look through the docs on running on windows, you will probably encounter similar issues [19:46:01] since the windows issues are mostly not windows issues but issues relating to not being linux [19:46:04] fair enough. so other than the download stuff the install should be relativly similar to say on a WAMP Server? [19:46:30] Should be relatively similar [19:46:34] cool [19:46:54] keep in mind that nobody has ever tested this, so i am just guessing [19:47:17] fair enough man [19:47:33] we currently have Version 1.21 running on a Power 7 and are trying to upgrade both software and hardware :P [19:48:00] so cross your fingers, hopefully i get 1.29 running on Power 8 :P [19:48:55] The most likely thing to break is anything that shells out to an external command. Thats usually mostly image related stuff [19:49:16] thats what's currently broken >_< and our main reason for attempting to upgrade [19:49:17] fml [19:49:28] well shit... [19:50:17] You can configure it to use libgd instead of image magick which may work better [19:50:37] i will look into that thanks for the suggestion :) [19:51:20] Its probably fixable with some debugging [19:51:34] considering it worked at one point, i assume you are correct [19:53:52] For starters mediawiki probably cant autodetect the correct path to commands so you probably need to specify them in LocalSettings.php [19:54:06] i could see that [19:54:55] if after that it still doesnt work, mediawiki might be doing something unix specific in wfShellExec() [19:55:41] theres a debug log you can enable which will tell you exactly what commands mw tries to execute [19:55:45] !debug [19:55:45] For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging Also see https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_symptoms [19:56:19] oh cool [20:00:27] Thanks :D [20:09:56] yuvipanda: do you happen to know if there's a simpler way to host https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-quarry-web locally other than vagrant? [20:10:04] like setting up a webserver or sth [20:10:20] with mediawiki install [23:12:03] Hello. What protection against vandalism is the default in MediaWiki? [23:13:43] Spiker01: None? [23:17:26] Niharika: I dont undersend. [23:17:32] stand [23:19:35] There isn't any [23:19:48] Other than being able to block people, their IPs/ranges etc [23:21:59] Spiker01: You can add extensions like AbuseFilter, QuestyCaptcha etc to help stop vandalism. [23:22:41] ConfirmEdit as well [23:22:46] Niharika: thanks.