[03:21:42] <nik>	 hey, in this section: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git#Fetch_external_libraries it says, "Make sure you use the right branch for your MediaWiki version (e.g. REL1_25 for 1.25).", however, I don't see a REL1_27 branch on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/vendor.git 
[03:23:49] <nik>	 is this documentation out of date?
[03:24:17] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 hmm
[03:27:16] <nik>	 also, when i try to install the vendor dir using the composer method, i get the error: Composer could not find a composer.json file
[03:27:46] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 i'm pretty sure we used to have branches in that repo
[03:28:30] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 we even backported stuff to REL1_27 recently: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/391368/
[03:29:07] <nik>	 right, i mean, 1.27 is still in LTS, that's why i'm on it. tho.. i'm doing all this cause i'm trying to update to 1.30
[03:29:20] <nik>	 just trying to get my local version of this 1.27 wiki set up right
[03:29:55] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 it looks as if someone deleted them though... 
[03:30:59] <nik>	 damn.. well, undelete them! they are necessary >_<
[03:31:54] <nik>	 hmm, i see a fundraising/REL1_27 branch
[03:31:56] <nik>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/mediawiki/vendor,branches
[03:32:08] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 no_justification: do you happen to know where the mediawiki/vendor branches went?
[03:33:30] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 nik: i have no idea what is in that branch, but fundraising/* branches tend to have some customizations for WMF Fundraising department
[03:33:38] <nik>	 ah okay
[03:34:11] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 nik: latest commit in REL1_27 in mediawiki/vendor was https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/391368/ , so if you need to checkout that branch, use that commit
[03:34:23] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 git fetch https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/mediawiki/vendor refs/changes/68/391368/1 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD
[03:34:35] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 (o copied this from the "Download" section on Gerrit)
[03:34:39] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 i copied*
[03:34:49] <nik>	 thanks!
[03:42:25] <nik>	 hmm... in the response for the CSS file for my mediawiki 1.27 install, i'm seeing this error: Problematic modules ... http://dpaste.com/2F07G71
[03:42:40] <nik>	 and, the styles look all strange
[03:42:56] <nik>	 if anyone knows of the top of their head where the problem might be, let me know
[03:46:15] <nik>	 ooo - after looking closer, likely just a permissions issue: "Less.php cache directory couldn't be created: /var/www/html/ctlwiki/images/temp"
[03:46:20] <nik>	 always gets me -_-
[03:54:26] <MatmaRex_mobile>	 nik: i filed a bug: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T185618 hopefully someone will find out what happened and bring them back
[03:56:11] <nik>	 alright
[12:44:43] <bukowski>	 Hi i have version 1.23.15, users are auth from ldap. When users login they have to change expired pass.  how disable this?
[16:20:44] <Nuge_>	 Hi - I recently installed Tiki Wiki on my server because I wanted a website with a wiki. However, I am not a developer or designer and have found their training videos and support very sparse and old. Should I move to MediaWiki? Is it newbie friendly?? Any help appreciated!
[16:25:04] <Skizzerz>	 Nuge_: what is it you want the wiki for?
[16:25:54] <Nuge_>	 I want to crowdsource a plan for a new organisation
[16:26:08] <Skizzerz>	 (I would not call MediaWiki "newbie friendly" in any case from an installation/maintenance point of view. It isn't very newbie friendly from an end user point of view either unless you install VisualEditor extension)
[16:26:22] <Nuge_>	 and then use wikis as part of the solution we intend to build
[16:26:45] <Nuge_>	 its a not for profit
[16:26:48] <Skizzerz>	 but, MediaWiki has the advantage that a lot of people are already passingly familiar with it, due to it being the software that powers Wikipedia
[16:27:42] <Nuge_>	 That is very true
[16:28:19] <Nuge_>	 if we need functionality that mediawiki does not support does it integrate will in a website environment?
[16:28:26] <Skizzerz>	 reason I asked my first question wasn't a "profit/nonprofit" thing (many for-profit companies use mediawiki, and there are no restrictions on using it for profit), but more of a "do you actually need a wiki for what you're doing" sort of thing :)
[16:28:53] <Nuge_>	 Yes - we do need a wiki :)
[16:29:20] <Skizzerz>	 what functionality are you looking for, I can probably say if mw supports it
[16:31:06] <Nuge_>	 group video conferencing
[16:31:19] <Nuge_>	 a learning environment
[16:31:35] <Nuge_>	 voting
[16:31:55] <Nuge_>	 NTMU BTW - I appreciate your help
[16:32:10] <Skizzerz>	 what do you mean by "a learning environment"?
[16:32:19] <Skizzerz>	 but it definitely does not have videoconferencing
[16:32:51] <Skizzerz>	 there's some extensions that add voting kinda (ability to rate pages on a star scale or like/dislike or whatnot), and other extensions that implement polls
[16:33:44] <Nuge_>	 udemy or corsera type capability
[16:33:49] <Nuge_>	 coursera
[16:33:55] <Skizzerz>	 not really, then, no
[16:34:09] <Skizzerz>	 it sounds like you really want something more akin to a Learning Management System (LMS) than a wiki
[16:34:14] <Nuge_>	 I get the mediawiki doesn't do that stuff
[16:34:30] <Nuge_>	 but need a framework of sorts to pull it all together, with FOSS
[16:34:33] <Skizzerz>	 or integrate a bunch of systems together, one for each task
[16:34:56] <Nuge_>	 Tiki Wiki looked more capable of that than mediawiki
[16:35:23] <Nuge_>	 but similarity to wikipedia is a definite plus for engagement
[16:35:50] <Nuge_>	 Yes
[16:36:26] <Nuge_>	 so need to choose a wiki that would work well in such an environment
[16:43:09] <Nuge_>	 can sections of pages and whole pages be locked in mediawiki?
[16:43:53] <flying_sausages>	 Hey guys, which plugin is Mediawiki using for the nice threaded discussion pages?
[17:08:06] <DeepChill>	 Shalom
[17:16:48] <Skizzerz>	 !e StructuredDiscussions | flying_sausages 
[17:16:48] <wm-bot>	 flying_sausages: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StructuredDiscussions_
[17:16:51] <Skizzerz>	 er
[17:16:55] * Skizzerz stabs wm-bot 
[17:17:05] <Skizzerz>	 link works anyway
[17:55:02] <flying_sausages>	 ceers Skizzerz 
[20:41:24] <flying_sausages>	 Skizzerz, have you ever set this extension up?
[20:41:34] <flying_sausages>	 I got weirdness from the update.php when I ran it on the CLI
[20:42:00] <flying_sausages>	 flow aka Structured Discussions that is
[20:43:43] <flying_sausages>	 I got this log from the update.php, if anyone can take a look and tell me if I did anything wrong please let me know :)
[20:43:45] <flying_sausages>	 https://pastebin.com/kjwVvR3c
[20:47:06] <Vulpix>	 at first glance looks like a bug with Flow extension, it should drop the primary key before trying to change any of its fields to accept NULLs
[20:49:55] <Vulpix>	 as an emergency measure, I'll drop the primary key of `flow_topic_list`, and then run the update again. After that, check if the table has a primary key and if not, add it looking at the creation script 
[20:51:25] <Vulpix>	 flying_sausages: also, you can't use the CategoryTree constants in LocalSettings.php, you should use the numeric values https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Twjsb91srdvw3fi9
[20:52:25] <flying_sausages>	 Vulpix, if I restore to the DB backup I had before and update to 1.30 do you think this might be resolved?
[20:52:38] <flying_sausages>	 I am on 1.29 right now and have downloaded the extensions for that version
[20:53:44] <Vulpix>	 I don't know if the Flow team is aware of this issue and fixed it in 1.30, or it's something that will still happen
[20:54:17] <Vulpix>	 you may try to test it on a testing environment and see how it goes
[21:07:24] <Sagan>	 what is the fastes method to get number of revisions of a page via API?
[21:17:28] <flying_sausages>	 anyone knows if there's a way to trigger an echo notification when a watched page gets edits?
[21:21:34] <flying_sausages>	 Vulpix, also with the cateogry tree constants, I'm not sure I get what you mean, should I simply say 3 if it's 3 for all of them?
[21:24:12] <Vulpix>	 flying_sausages: no.  Do you see the PHP notices? Use of undefined constant CT_MODE_PAGES - assumed 'CT_MODE_PAGES'
[21:24:56] <Vulpix>	 this means that the configuration where you use them is basically wrong, ignored
[21:25:27] <Vulpix>	 istead of using CT_MODE_PAGES, use 10, and so on as it's described in that talk page
[21:32:06] <flying_sausages>	 ah right gotcha
[21:32:10] <flying_sausages>	 cheers :)
[21:36:44] <flying_sausages>	 Anyone knows what dependencies are required for the Visual Editing in Flow? I have Parsoid and VisualEditor installed and working fine already so I'm not sure why this is failing on me. I have all of flow's dependencies installed as well.
[21:36:46] <flying_sausages>	 https://i.imgur.com/GXZvjWu.png