[10:35:11] <Gopa______>	 #wikidata
[18:10:18] <Son>	 I was wondering if the content could be changed by other users, do you protect the current content and data or does anyone allowed, can alter it
[18:13:07] <Son>	 If some pages become altered by others, I am asking if you can give me reassurance that the content is authentic or not. If I can find out the reliability of the information or not.
[18:14:12] <MatmaRex>	 everything can be altered. don't believe anything on the internet, always do your own research.
[18:14:39] <Son>	 Hello
[18:18:25] <Son>	 Hi
[18:18:49] <Son>	 Hi
[18:21:16] <Son>	 So the reliability of certain Information isn't reliable but when they are
[18:21:48] <Son>	  Can people buy the domain or data to protect information or not
[19:46:39] <eiland>	 I was wondering if it is possible to show {{Special:AllPages}} with sub-headers per letter of the alphabet (just like categories are shown)
[21:02:56] <Yaron>	 What's going on with Jenkins? Has it been down all day?
[21:03:23] <Yaron>	 ...or even the last two days?
[21:05:41] <Yaron>	 Never mind - it might be just one patch that's not going through.
[21:14:25] <Hauskatze>	 Yaron: which one? They might kick-in if stuck
[21:17:04] <Hauskatze>	 jenkins stuck on some jobs that don't start, as usual
[21:18:22] <Yaron>	 Hauskatze: it's this one: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/409483/
[21:19:03] <Hauskatze>	 he's not even picked the change
[21:19:10] <Hauskatze>	 try removing the -2 and re +2 it
[21:19:18] <Hauskatze>	 it might refresh the bot, idk
[21:22:42] <Yaron>	 Alright...
[21:29:34] <Hauskatze>	 still not picking it... I guess that repo has jenkins test configured?
[21:30:00] <Hauskatze>	 yep, it does
[21:30:04] <Yaron>	 Yes, definitely.
[21:30:19] <Hauskatze>	 I'll ask in -releng
[21:30:26] <Yaron>	 It might be because that patch is not changing any of the code, only changing file permissions.
[21:30:34] <Yaron>	 Hauskatze: that would be great!
[21:33:07] <Hauskatze>	 funny, I made the bot test the change
[21:33:10] <Hauskatze>	 and it's picking it
[21:33:20] <Hauskatze>	 but only for the 'test' branch, not for 'gate-and-submit'
[21:36:29] <tgr>	 Yaron: T186381 possibly?
[21:36:29] <stashbot>	 T186381: Exception while launching job: TypeError: 'int' object has no attribute '__getitem__' - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186381
[21:38:05] <tgr>	 https://integration.wikimedia.org/zuul/ looks healthy though
[21:38:23] <Hauskatze>	 recheck worked tgr 
[21:38:43] <Hauskatze>	 although for some reason that patch is marked as a dependency of another which jenkins voted -1
[21:38:56] <Hauskatze>	 maybe undo the dependency, rebasing on top or something?
[21:39:03] <Hauskatze>	 I'm still very n000b
[21:40:06] <Hauskatze>	 jenkins says the patch depends on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/409309/
[21:40:08] <Hauskatze>	 no idea
[21:41:07] <krzysiu>	 hey! I'm probably blind or something. Where can I get all language codes (via API) + corresponding names?
[21:42:02] <tgr>	 Hauskatze: they are dependent commits (one is the parent of the other)
[21:42:23] <Hauskatze>	 tgr: any way to remove that dependency?
[21:42:29] <krzysiu>	 (I mean Wikipedia API - or maybe there's more proper chan to ask?)
[21:42:35] <Hauskatze>	 the parent one is V-1
[21:42:41] <Hauskatze>	 it won't ever merge
[21:43:13] <Krenair>	 krzysiu, could probably use meta's SiteMatrix?
[21:43:32] <krzysiu>	 Krenair, thanks, I'll give it a try!
[21:43:49] <Hauskatze>	 Krenair: got a minute?
[21:43:50] <krzysiu>	 I've made something like "dictionary", but it uses interwiki to translate terms :)
[21:43:54] <tgr>	 Hauskatze: so 409483 is blocked because 409309 comes first
[21:43:55] <Krenair>	 krzysiu, https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=sitematrix&smtype=language
[21:43:57] <Krenair>	 Hauskatze, ok
[21:44:11] <krzysiu>	 of course it's totally different than dictionary, but in some cases it's even more helpful
[21:44:23] <tgr>	 and 409309 is blocked because CI fails on the error that 409483 would fix
[21:44:35] <tgr>	 either swap the order or squash them into one patch
[21:44:39] <krzysiu>	 Krenair, awesome, thanks a lot!
[21:44:41] <Krenair>	 krzysiu, I know it's not exactly what you had in mind but it might do the trick, and I can't think of a better one available via the API right now
[21:45:18] <krzysiu>	 Krenair, exactly that - I want to give an option of choosing languages in which "translation" would show
[21:45:21] <Hauskatze>	 Krenair: there's a helluva of puppet errors on beta cluster and I think you know where to look at to fix them?
[21:45:24] <tgr>	 siteinfo API should have the languages
[21:45:41] <tgr>	 (assuming you want them all and not just the ones which you have a wiki for)
[21:45:56] <krzysiu>	 https://mini.krzysiu.net/wikiglot/?word=hammer&lang=en
[21:46:04] <krzysiu>	 only wikis
[21:46:13] <Krenair>	 aha: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=languages
[21:46:35] <Krenair>	 Hauskatze, that'll be a bit more than a minute :)
[21:46:45] <Krenair>	 Hauskatze, do they all have tasks open?
[21:47:11] <Hauskatze>	 Krenair: I've filed some but are not (?) from puppet
[21:47:22] <Hauskatze>	 but shinken-wm from -releng is crazy atm
[22:01:10] <Krenair>	 Hauskatze, -videoscaler01, -mediawiki07, and -tmh01 can't find the mcrouter package, -mx02 has broken LE because I never finished setting it up, -ores01 is missing a role::ores::worker role, -mx needs to go and be replaced by -mx02 due to a known problem, -logstash2 has some problem I haven't managed to debug, -redis0[12] have some (IIRC known) distribution problem, -secureredirexperiment is mine and I need to tidy it at some stage
[22:01:26] <Krenair>	 s/managed/had time to/
[22:01:49] <Hauskatze>	 Krenair: thanks, that's your turf. I didn't understand a word :)
[22:02:10] <Krenair>	 well
[22:02:40] <Krenair>	 in that case I'd really you rather nag someone who can actually make someone work on this
[22:03:14] <Krenair>	 since it's a recurring problem someone with time needs to be committed to it
[22:04:01] <Hauskatze>	 I'd love to but even if I wanted to create a task it'd be like 'hey, beta cluster puppet is understaffed/needs more active maintenance, ktnx'
[22:04:25] <Hauskatze>	 then André rightly will ask me "why it is understaffed or needs more attention"
[22:04:32] <Hauskatze>	 and I won't be able to answer that
[22:04:34] <Hauskatze>	 :)
[22:04:58] <Yaron>	 Hauskatze: sorry, I missed this until now. Maybe https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186381 does explain the problem...
[22:06:49] <Krenair>	 Hauskatze, well not having a task didn't stop you poking me on IRC
[22:07:27] <Hauskatze>	 Krenair: hope it was not an inconvenience, apologies if it was; I don't remember anyone else who dealt with those errors before
[22:07:50] <Hauskatze>	 I won't poke you further for those
[22:10:04] <tgr>	 Yaron: no, that's for patches with Depends-On
[22:10:12] <tgr>	 see my comments about commit ordering above
[22:17:00] <Yaron>	 tgr: oh, okay. I did think it would make more sense to integrate these into one.
[22:18:09] <tgr>	 you can force them through CI if you prefer to have separate commits
[22:19:16] <tgr>	 there is a "submit with parents" button on the child commit's gerrit page somewhere
[22:35:12] <Krenair>	 Hauskatze, I would very much like it to be taken care of but right now I don't have the time
[22:36:11] <Hauskatze>	 Krenair: I understand you.
[22:56:59] <thrasher`>	 hey guys, I've got the Cite extension loaded as verified by Special:Version but when I try doing one of the cite journal examples it mentions that there's no 'Cite journal' template setup
[22:57:18] <thrasher`>	 same thing happens for cite web. Using version 1.30.0
[23:01:32] <thrasher`>	 example here: http://159.89.32.64/index.php/Rawr
[23:01:38] <d1d4c[m]>	 thrasher`: have you created the template?
[23:04:20] <d1d4c[m]>	 {{#invoke:Citation/CS1|citation
[23:04:20] <d1d4c[m]>	 |CitationClass=journal
[23:04:21] <d1d4c[m]>	 }}
[23:05:24] <thrasher`>	 oh sweet, thanks!