[01:15:05] <harej>	 Is there a way to get the content of a wiki page back without formatting, just the text? For example [[this|would]] be just "would"
[01:17:09] <saper>	 I use w3m for that
[01:17:18] <harej>	 w3m?
[01:17:45] <saper>	 the text browser
[01:17:56] <saper>	     -dump            dump formatted page into stdout
[01:18:01] <saper>	 w3m -dump ... > file.txt
[01:18:28] <saper>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Parsing_wikitext I cannot see it doing this
[03:50:50] <Loyal8413>	 What's up
[03:50:56] <Sveta>	 hi Loyal8413
[05:31:49] <Abbey>	 Greetings,  I want to confirm that it is acceptable to use MediaWiki software to build an ecommerce income producing website.
[05:40:38] <legoktm>	 well if they come back, MediaWiki is free software, so you can do whatever you want with it :-)
[09:11:20] <Sveta>	 it's gplv2+, so they can run a commercial website but they can't distribute copies of mediawiki under a non-copyleft licence
[10:17:29] <harmaahylje>	 I have set $wgFileExtensions as an array of files (not adding to the existing ones). Is the file upload form supposed to update its "Permitted file types:" based on these?
[10:20:25] <harmaahylje>	 ehh, looks like mediawiki doesn't really care about the setting at all. can upload files not in $wgFileExtensions, and also it doesn't seem to care about $wgMaxUploadSize either, saying a 2MB file is too large when limit is 50MB
[10:20:44] <harmaahylje>	 interesting stuff.
[10:23:27] <harmaahylje>	 well maybe the filesize is up to some PHP setting
[10:34:09] <harmaahylje>	 Seems like I have to add the files I do __not__ want to $wgFileBlacklist
[10:34:17] <harmaahylje>	 quite unintuitive imo
[10:36:35] <harmaahylje>	 Ha, an extension seems to change that setting
[10:37:26] <harmaahylje>	 So an extension maker can abuse this by making a silent upgrade to ones extension allowing whatever file
[10:37:47] <harmaahylje>	 and then you can upload anything to any wiki using that extension
[10:40:18] <harmaahylje>	 hmm, well if the strict setting is in use, at least the blacklist will get rid of some.
[13:35:45] <harmaahylje>	 Has any of you played with the Quiz extension? I am wondering how could I use a templates variables within a quiz, doesn't seem to be possible
[15:40:22] <rpsjab>	 Hi Everyone, sorry for the basic questions, but am trying mediawiki for the first time with my class. I installed vanilla 1.30 (no extensions) and am running PHP 5.6 and MySQL . Everything went smoothly during install. I can see the main page, I can log in and can get into edit mode on the main and talk pages, and I can even successfully upload files.
[15:40:35] <rpsjab>	 But whenever I try to save a page, the response times out (ERR_TIMED_OUT) after about 10 seconds. I have tried searching for the issue, but without success. I enabled all the debugging from the manual, including the log file. Tail of the log file looks fine. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
[15:40:56] <rpsjab>	 website is at: http://raspberry.rochester.k12.mn.us/w 
[15:47:22] <rpsjab>	 should also mention - have tried multiple browsers on multiple computers, so not a browser or extension issue.
[16:27:51] <wmat>	 rpsjab: i'd check that my database settings are correct in LocalSettings.php and that the database User has the correct write permissions
[16:28:31] <rpsjab>	 checking.
[16:30:31] <rpsjab>	 has all privileges on that database except for grant. I can manually log in with the stored credentials and update tables.
[16:31:49] <rpsjab>	 also interesting - in the profile page for my user, I can update my “real name” and it works perfectly.
[16:32:26] <wmat>	 anything in the system or webserver error logs?
[16:32:50] <rpsjab>	 checking
[16:37:30] <rpsjab>	 nothing in sys, apache or mysql logs
[16:38:31] <rpsjab>	 could it be a PHP setup issue? Not very experienced in debugging PHP. 
[16:38:56] <rpsjab>	 phpinfo is available here: http://raspberry.rochester.k12.mn.us/phpinfo.php
[16:53:29] <wmat>	 and you have these error reporting lines at the top of LocalSettings.php?
[16:53:32] <wmat>	 error_reporting(E_ALL);
[16:53:33] <wmat>	 ini_set("display_errors", 1);
[17:03:32] <rpsjab>	 at the bottom of the file, but yes. This is what I have:
[17:03:37] <rpsjab>	 error_reporting( -1 );
[17:03:38] <rpsjab>	 ini_set( 'display_errors', 1 );
[17:03:39] <rpsjab>	 $wgShowSQLErrors = true;
[17:03:41] <rpsjab>	 $wgDebugDumpSql  = true;
[17:03:44] <rpsjab>	 $wgShowDBErrorBacktrace = true;
[17:03:44] <rpsjab>	 $wgDebugLogFile = "/var/log/mediawiki/debug-{$wgDBname}.log";
[20:50:42] <SPF|Cloud>	 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KO9pxRVX/
[20:50:58] <SPF|Cloud>	 This is RemoteWiki(25): https://github.com/miraheze/MirahezeMagic/blob/master/RemoteWiki.php#L25
[20:52:00] <SPF|Cloud>	 whenever I run wfGetDB( DB_MASTER, [], 'metawiki' );  in eval.php it works fine but in RemoteWiki.php it just fails horribly. MW 1.30.0 w/ PHP 5.6
[20:52:45] <Platonides>	 are you using the same php version on the web server and cli?
[20:52:52] <SPF|Cloud>	 yes
[20:53:36] <SPF|Cloud>	 (I'm using it for a maintenance script, though. so using cli version anyway
[21:01:45] <Sveta>	 harmaahylje, still around? give me an example of how you are trying to use templates in a quiz
[21:08:56] <saper>	 harmaahylje, Sveta : maybe not possible depending on how it is rendered
[21:14:23] <db`>	 Hi all.
[21:14:40] <db`>	 I'm using a phpbb wiki plugin to link my phpbb users to be able to login into wiki.
[21:15:12] <db`>	 Well, now in a recent shift, the phpbb & wiki directories are on two different cpanel accounts of the same server
[21:15:51] <db`>	 So, in the LocalSettings.php $wgAuth_Config['PathToPHPBB']    = 'phpbbfolder/'; // Path from this file to your phpBB install. Must end with '/'.
[21:15:56] <db`>	 won't work.
[21:16:03] <db`>	 How do I go about it?
[21:16:04] <saper>	 maybe a full path?
[21:16:15] <db`>	 It says Path from this file to your phpBB install
[21:16:19] <db`>	 "this file"
[21:16:39] <db`>	 I don't think I can ../../../../home/user/...
[21:16:42] <db`>	 lawl.
[21:16:46] <db`>	 *can't
[21:17:07] <db`>	 Any clue please?
[21:17:23] <saper>	 you can give absolute path
[21:17:32] <saper>	 if it is readable by your webserver
[21:17:52] <db`>	 Sure, let me try!
[21:19:31] <db`>	 Exception encountered, of type "Exception" 
[21:19:33] <db`>	 Same error.
[21:21:51] <db`>	 Is there no addon/extension which allows remote connections?
[21:22:09] <db`>	 Although in my case, only the accounts are seperate, not the server,. 
[21:23:29] <saper>	 check your php log if you can
[21:23:40] <Platonides>	 it is probably an extension using the old AuthPlugin interface
[21:23:55] <Platonides>	 which extension are you using?
[21:23:56] <saper>	 we don't know which mediawiki it is yet :)
[21:24:12] <db`>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration
[21:24:24] <db`>	 That one.
[21:25:14] <saper>	 which version of mediawiki ?
[21:26:16] <Platonides>	 what are the details of the exception?
[21:26:25] <Platonides>	 maybe it's the throw new Exception('Unable to find phpBB installed at (' . $this->_PathToPHPBB . ').');
[21:26:30] <Platonides>	 of https://github.com/Digitalroot/MediaWiki_PHPBB_Auth/blob/master/Auth_phpbb.php#L673
[21:27:32] <db`>	 1.26.2
[21:28:28] <db`>	 Platonides: Well, I have been using it very well till date. But now I shifted wiki to a different cpanel account ofthe same server.
[21:28:38] <Platonides>	 you set $wgAuth_Config['UseExtDatabase'] = true; ?
[21:28:56] <Platonides>	 I don't think they are using the same db if they are at a different cpanel account
[21:29:04] <db`>	 So, you see, technically the relative path from wiki localsettings.php file to phpbb3 doesn't exist anymore.
[21:29:22] <db`>	 Well, even earlier they never used same db.
[21:29:42] <db`>	 phpbb3 was on a separate db, and wiki was on a separate one.
[21:30:00] <db`>	 And the auth plugin had the phpb33 db details.
[21:30:48] <db`>	 The only thing remains is how do I give a relative link when the whole setup is now on a different cpanwl acount? I tried full path bit it failed as expected.
[21:33:19] <Platonides>	 an absolute path would work
[21:33:22] <Platonides>	 assuming you have the latest phpbb extension
[21:33:36] <Platonides>	 and the phpbb folder is readable by mediaiwki
[21:39:09] <db`>	 Platonides: It would work even on a relative path if the phpbb folder is readable by mediawiki.
[21:39:21] <db`>	 The point is they both are on two separate cpanel accounts.
[21:39:26] <Platonides>	 and?
[21:39:45] <db`>	 So I don't think there's any 'relative' path as such. Or is there?
[21:39:46] <Platonides>	 you need to set the permissions right
[21:40:03] <Platonides>	 I don't know how cpanel separates the accounts
[21:40:11] <Platonides>	 are they sharing the filesystem?
[21:40:23] <db`>	 well, both the wiki & the phpbb are readable directly by pubic
[21:40:30] <db`>	 Yes, they are on same server.
[21:40:39] <db`>	 Just two separate cpanel accounts
[21:41:37] <Platonides>	 so you need to make /home/phpbb readable by the wiki user
[21:41:45] <db`>	 Yea
[21:42:01] <db`>	 So may be I can use ../../../?
[21:42:02] <db`>	 idk
[21:45:59] <db`>	 nope
[21:46:01] <db`>	 doesnt work.
[21:46:04] <db`>	 tried it already
[21:52:52] <db`>	 .I'll ask my host for the exact locations.
[21:53:00] <db`>	 Ideally it must work with ..../../../
[22:03:09] <saper>	 just pwd the PhpBB directory
[22:03:26] <saper>	 (I hope you have shell access...)
[22:22:59] <harmaahylje>	 Sveta: are you still here?
[22:23:05] <Sveta>	 Yes.
[22:23:12] <Sveta>	 Hi again harmaahylje.
[22:23:57] <harmaahylje>	 I am trying to create a form for creating Quizzes
[22:24:08] <harmaahylje>	 And hello to you too :)
[22:24:37] <Sveta>	 Was wondering how to reproduce your problem. Think I have this extension on one of the wikis I use.
[22:25:20] <harmaahylje>	 I am not really familiar with how to use the mediawiki templating system, forms etc to create something of use
[22:25:33] <harmaahylje>	 Sveta: The Quiz extension?
[22:25:38] <Sveta>	 Yes.
[22:26:09] <harmaahylje>	 Is it possible to create a form to create Quizzes dynamically?
[22:26:56] <harmaahylje>	 So that the user could add as many questions as he/she wants, and as many answer options etc, either use text, image or video for the question, or even for option
[22:28:20] <harmaahylje>	 So I was trying to create a form (with Page Forms) using a template and the templates "variables", but inside <quiz></quiz> I can't use any of those {{{variables}}}
[22:28:58] <harmaahylje>	 or so it seems. I currently can't look at the wiki because my server is off, as I am going to sleep very soon
[22:29:33] <harmaahylje>	 Sveta: have any ideas?
[22:30:08] <Sveta>	 Um, that's quite a change of question there.
[22:30:13] <Sveta>	 First you asked about templates, and now...
[22:30:39] <Sveta>	 What is 'Page Forms'?
[22:31:25] <harmaahylje>	 I'm sorry because I am trying to figure out how to build something 'internally' with mediawiki, with its "templating language" (what is it even called? the stuff users input on the site)
[22:32:12] <harmaahylje>	 Sveta: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Page_Forms  - an extension that was previously named as Semantic Forms (for Semantic Mediawiki afaik)
[22:32:30] <Sveta>	 OK
[22:32:48] <harmaahylje>	 So that is what I was _trying_ to do. If you can help me with finding any way that would work - fine and appreciated
[22:33:28] <saper>	 Page Forms are not for the light hearted
[22:34:03] <harmaahylje>	 Well they _seem_ to offer functionality that could potentially solve my "problem"
[22:35:15] <harmaahylje>	 But I came across this (relating to the Quiz extension) https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Help:Quiz#Hyperlinks_and_other_markup
[22:35:41] <harmaahylje>	 which made me doubt that I could get it working
[22:38:43] <harmaahylje>	 Sveta & saper : Do you think you can give me suggestions? Or if what I am trying to do is even possible?
[22:40:41] <saper>	 harmaahylje: it says templates {{...}} work
[22:40:44] <saper>	 they can do a lot
[22:41:59] <harmaahylje>	 saper: yeah, I just don't understand *what* that actually means. As I was trying to use a template, and template "variables" (what are they called in MW? parameters?)
[22:42:07] <Sveta>	 Specify how to reproduce the problem without using Page Forms. Narrow it down to something that I can try to do.
[22:43:34] <harmaahylje>	 This is how a Quiz with one question is made (simple example): https://dpaste.de/Ez0t
[22:43:47] <harmaahylje>	 You create a page and put that in there
[22:44:23] <harmaahylje>	 I want to create a form that would create these quiz pages.
[22:44:34] <Sveta>	 Ah okay.
[22:45:13] <Sveta>	 In the form the user would specify question text and the answers (including which one is right and which isn't).
[22:45:25] <harmaahylje>	 Yes
[22:45:42] <harmaahylje>	 (the question, and the answers could also be images or videos)
[22:45:49] <saper>	 That is not possible.
[22:46:15] <harmaahylje>	 I don't see why not
[22:46:26] <harmaahylje>	 or what did you refer to saper?
[22:47:05] <saper>	 I refere to having a user-editable quiz creator
[22:47:22] <harmaahylje>	 Oh damn, why is it not possible?
[22:49:01] <saper>	 as far as I understand, the extension uses wiki markup between <quiz>...</quiz> tags
[22:49:37] <harmaahylje>	 and wiki markup doesn't allow using something that would be needed (what is that?)
[22:49:58] <harmaahylje>	 like styling?
[22:50:07] <harmaahylje>	 so not possible to use templates etc?
[22:50:23] <saper>	 you can use template that will generate a <quiz> tag
[22:50:35] <saper>	 but a template is again a piece of wiki markup
[22:51:09] <saper>	 so adding things like {{One question quiz|What is a name of a Red Planet?|Mars}} could possibly work
[22:52:16] <harmaahylje>	 But nothing more complicated?
[22:52:23] <saper>	 One could, possibly, write an extension for visual editor
[22:52:40] <harmaahylje>	 Don't have visual editor in the wikis
[22:53:04] <harmaahylje>	 and I don't fancy writing an extension, because then I would have to maintain it
[22:53:13] <harmaahylje>	 for which I will not have funds for
[22:54:17] <harmaahylje>	 I guess I will just abandon the idea, and try to find a guide for users on how to create Quizzes. But they will have images or videos, which might make it a lot harder for them to create quizzes
[22:56:13] <harmaahylje>	 saper and Sveta, thanks for your time and your help
[23:09:15] <Sveta>	 :)
[23:16:23] <saper>	 not that I could do much