[05:04:44] <Sveta>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning is something like this implemented in mediawiki? via extension maybe?
[05:08:31] <legoktm>	 Sveta: I'm not aware of any, and a quick search on mediawiki.org didn't turn up any
[05:09:00] <legoktm>	 also nearly all block logs are public, so it might not be that useful
[05:44:21] <Ivy>	 We've talked about doing something like with FlaggedRevs.
[05:44:31] <Ivy>	 Where the user can see their latest edits, but those edits aren't yet published.
[05:44:46] <Ivy>	 That may actually be implemented, Idk.
[10:24:21] <harmaahylje>	 Hi, this page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Navigation#Page_Tabs - states that all pages have a tab "discussion" by default. Well not on my wiki, where can this be edited?
[10:33:05] <Sokot>	 Hello After encoding the following code in LocalSettings.php, I encounter an attachment error. Please advise. error_reporting (-1); ini_set ('display_errors', 1); Error link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4v27r29ub3tm3zw/error.txt?dl=0
[10:33:13] <Sokot>	 please help me
[10:44:42] <harmaahylje>	 "Check php log for actual reason"
[10:45:18] <harmaahylje>	 the debugging info mediawiki outputs is not often very useful
[10:45:31] <harmaahylje>	 I have several errors but impossible to debug what they even mean
[10:46:46] <Sokot>	 harmaahylje--thanks  What is the right way
[10:46:52] <harmaahylje>	 I just set $wgEnableUserEmail = false; - but users can still access Special:Emailuser, what am I missing?
[10:47:28] <harmaahylje>	 Sokot: find your php log if possible, and have a look at it. Maybe it will show the real reason (at least the error promises so)
[10:48:08] <harmaahylje>	 Never mind, it seems that the individual wikis have this crap on.
[10:48:23] <harmaahylje>	 that was not for you Sokot, btw
[10:48:28] <Sokot>	 harmaahylje>Where should I search for the error message?
[10:48:56] <harmaahylje>	 Sokot: I don't know, it is php, so who knows really? Somewhere you wouldn't expect I guess, hah? :D
[10:49:37] <harmaahylje>	 Sokot: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5127838/where-does-php-store-the-error-log-php5-apache-fastcgi-cpanel#5127884
[10:50:21] <harmaahylje>	 best bet seems to be to look into 'php.ini' for error_log setting
[10:51:30] <Sokot>	 harmaahylje--thank you I look and notice
[10:52:09] <harmaahylje>	 or just look into /var/log/httpd or /var/log/apache2 etc
[10:55:55] <Sokot>	 harmaahylje: The php-scripts file is not located in any of the addresses you specify
[11:04:50] <harmaahylje>	 you were looking for the error logs
[11:04:53] <harmaahylje>	 weren't you?
[11:13:04] <Sokot>	 harmaahylje: I do not find the error. Where is it
[11:31:56] <harmaahylje>	 read the link I pasted
[11:32:14] <harmaahylje>	 then use a search engine to look for more information once you have some idea of what to search for
[11:36:36] <harmaahylje>	 I _guess_ it means the web server log
[11:36:53] <harmaahylje>	 since at least my php.ini doesn't set a path for error_log
[11:37:08] <harmaahylje>	 $ php -i | grep error_log
[11:38:39] <Sokot>	 harmaahylje:  display_errors => Off => Off display_startup_errors => Off => Off error_append_string => no value => no value error_log => no value => no value error_prepend_string => no value => no value error_reporting => 22527 => 22527 html_errors => Off => Off ignore_repeated_errors => Off => Off log_errors => On => On log_errors_max_len => 1024 => 1024 track_errors => Off => Off xmlrpc_error_number => 0 => 0 xmlrpc_errors => Off
[11:47:33] <harmaahylje>	 Sokot: yeah I just meant that I did not find any paths there
[11:48:10] <harmaahylje>	 if you use apache, look at your domains config and you should find where the error_log is in
[11:49:23] <harmaahylje>	 wgDefaultUserOptions - mediawiki now recommends handling that with CSS, and the example even uses !important, really?
[11:49:38] <harmaahylje>	 ['editsection']
[11:50:05] <Sokot>	 harmaahylje:  thank you. I use Apache. Where is the error__log file?
[11:56:40] <harmaahylje>	 Sokot: /var/log/apache2 or /var/log/httpd
[12:09:45] <Sokot>	 harmaahylje: [Tue Mar 06 00:11:03 2018] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `localhost' does NOT match server name!? [Tue Mar 06 00:11:03 2018] [warn] Init: Name-based SSL virtual hosts only work for clients with TLS server name indication support (RFC 4366) [Tue Mar 06 00:11:03 2018] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/sbin/suexec) [Tue Mar 06 00:11:04 2018] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `loc
[12:10:49] <harmaahylje>	 doesn't look like it has anything to do with your problem
[12:10:59] <harmaahylje>	 find the error log for your domain, if that isn't it?
[12:12:47] <Sokot>	 harmaahylje: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4v27r29ub3tm3zw/error.txt?dl=0
[13:51:01] <harmaahylje>	 Is anyone experienced with MobileFrontEnd?
[13:51:20] <harmaahylje>	 It seems to break most of the things like even template tags, what sorcery does it do?
[13:52:08] <DanielK_WMDE>	 harmaahylje: html munging...
[13:53:12] <harmaahylje>	 DanielK_WMDE: what does munging mean?
[13:57:55] <harmaahylje>	 blah, I guess I can't use MobileFrontEnd it totally messes everything
[13:58:12] <harmaahylje>	 if the template variables don't show on mobile, what can I do
[15:14:18] <DaemonD>	 whats up my fellow media wiki enthusiasts!@!!!
[15:15:51] <DaemonD>	 I am wondering if I should wait for 1.31 or upgrade to 1.30. I do have a bug that is pretty annoyign with visualeditor in 1.29 atm so I might as well upgrade to 1.30 and then to 1.31 and then stay at 1.31 until 2021
[15:16:18] <DaemonD>	 if i die or fired or whatever can the company hire someone to support mediawiki for the company?
[15:37:51] <andre__>	 DaemonD: 1) Up to your judgment. 2) Up to your company.
[16:02:09] <eddiegp>	 !lockdown | eddiegp
[16:02:09] <wm-bot>	 eddiegp: Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For per-page access protection, see !ppp. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see !access.
[16:02:23] <eddiegp>	 !ppp | eddiegp
[16:02:23] <wm-bot>	 eddiegp: The PrivatePageProtection extension allows access to individual pages to be restricted to specific user groups, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PrivatePageProtection >. For restricting access to entire name spaces, special pages and actions, see !lockdown. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see !access.
[16:14:47] <harmaahylje>	 How could I hide the TOOLBOX part of Mediawiki:Sidebar? Without sorcery, I will not accept one of these "make it invisible with css"
[16:15:15] <harmaahylje>	 javascript is not an option, because it seems plain stupid. How can I stop it from being generated?
[16:18:27] <myself>	 Easy there, cowboy. "I will not accept" isn't exactly the kind of language that makes people want to help you. 
[16:57:47] <harmaahylje>	 myself: yeah I know that, but I constantly read these suggestions on Talkpages or in Helppages
[16:58:02] <harmaahylje>	 By using CSS to hide an element, it doesn't remove the element
[17:34:10] <DaemonD>	 do employers look for media wiki administrators?
[17:35:27] <DaemonD>	 thinking i should put on my resume.. "Media-Wiki front end administrator" "Microsoft word front end guru" "CMD expert"
[17:35:33] <DaemonD>	 That's like 150k right there
[17:40:10] <harmaahylje>	 I don't know, my guess is that mediawiki is kind of a niche
[17:40:51] <harmaahylje>	 but why wouldn't you put that in your resume?
[17:41:08] <Reedy>	 Depends on the job
[17:41:10] <DaemonD>	 people would laugh at that. it's just an application
[17:41:19] <Reedy>	 I imagine, if you were applying for McDonalds, they wouldn't care
[17:41:29] <DaemonD>	 it's like same ms.office expert
[17:41:32] <harmaahylje>	 DaemonD: Since you are a media-wiki front end guru, tell me a neat way of utiziling flexbox in the body of a wiki page (like front page)
[17:42:02] <DaemonD>	 harmaahylje: i would refer you to google
[17:42:54] <harmaahylje>	 right, I just tested it directly on the page, gotta remove loads of stuff to get it working I guess
[17:43:24] <DaemonD>	 i should just say expert google reffereral
[17:43:42] <harmaahylje>	 what ever controls the size of the body area might become the problem if it doesn't shrink enough
[21:52:19] <M-cypher[m]>	 Hello
[22:00:20] <DaemonD>	 darn it. i upgraded to latest stable 1.3.0 release and new 1.3.0 visualeditor but the bug still persists. If I use exclamation point on new line and re-edit that page it goes to previousle line and draws a small <- arrow like that
[22:00:43] <DaemonD>	 I don't understand it. Doesn't wiki use the same exact version 1.3.0?
[22:07:49] <Platonides>	 DaemonD: I guess it doesn't fail in wikipedia?
[22:08:12] <DaemonD>	 nope i copy pasted the source of the page into wiki and it works
[22:08:30] <DaemonD>	 but if it works on wikipedia they sovled it somehow
[22:13:59] <DaemonD>	 i just double checked. and wikipedia is actually running 1.31 version
[22:14:08] <DaemonD>	 but it hasn't been released yet
[22:14:20] <DaemonD>	 says june release
[22:15:51] <DaemonD>	 wikipedia running bleeding edge nightly builds??
[22:17:15] <saper>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/One_week close
[22:24:16] <DaemonD>	 is there paid support we can get for mediawiki?
[22:24:22] <DaemonD>	 like cisco 
[23:05:02] <saper>	 DaemonD: sure
[23:38:44] <Secutor>	 Is t his a place to ask questions about my personal instance of Mediawiki?