[07:41:42] <Jeffrey>	 Hey, can someone help me with a template page problem, the template/doc page doesn't show on my template page
[07:50:07] <Jeffrey>	 Im also having trouble making shortURL work properly
[08:13:33] <Jeffrey>	 Can anyone help me?
[08:28:50] <Jeffrey>	 Do I need Lua for it to work?
[08:53:36] <FoxT_>	 Jeffrey: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[09:10:21] <Jeffrey>	 @Foxt_ I have tried following that, the problem i have, is once I have done it, the page loads but does not display correctly
[15:48:28] <tonythomas>	 Can someone tell me why adding in a user script (as per given in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_scripts#Automatic_installer does not work for me ? See page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas/common.js SAD. 
[15:50:59] <Reedy>	 Caching?
[15:52:42] <tonythomas>	 Reedy: that would've been nice. I have ctrl+f5 on my keyboard pressed like ever. 
[15:53:08] <Reedy>	 Log out and in again?
[15:53:50] <tonythomas>	 I still see the same one line there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas/common.js - now I am wondering if I am supposed to even see something else there ?  
[15:54:19] * Reedy slaps tonythomas
[15:54:20] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheDJ/sharebox.js
[15:54:23] <Reedy>	 IT'S EMPTY, BRO
[15:54:31] <tonythomas>	 ofcourse. what a dummy 
[15:54:31] <Reedy>	 So, no, it's not going to change anything
[15:54:33] <Reedy>	 xD
[15:55:03] <tonythomas>	 I made you point out the `restart logic` though. xD 
[15:55:48] <tonythomas>	 some people on hi-wikipedia are having some trouble using Yuvipandas old user scripts. sad situation actually. I was trying to investigate and ended up trying this for the first time. 
[15:56:31] <tonythomas>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Tag_&_Assess
[16:31:28] <DetectiveTaco>	 I was wondering how I could use the template from the main page of the media wiki site like the first box that says welcome to mediawiki
[16:32:36] <Reedy>	 Installing any required extensions
[16:32:42] <Reedy>	 Then export the template and any dependancies
[16:32:44] <Reedy>	 !exporttemplate
[16:32:44] <wm-bot>	 To copy templates from Wikipedia, use Special:Export and check the "Include templates" option to get all the sub-templates, then upload the file with Special:Import on your wiki. You'll also likely have to install the ParserFunctions extension, Scribunto extension and install/enable HTML tidy. You also might need some CSS from Wikipedia's Common.css. You'll also need a lot of...
[17:02:21] <DetectiveTaco>	 I am trying to get some sort of boxes but it looks like I am going to have to copy templates even though I don’t really want to.
[17:02:27] <DetectiveTaco>	 Like a welcome box for the home page
[17:10:16] <cousteau>	 Is there a way to make a recursive template?  I'm trying to make a template that parses a string 
[17:12:48] <Reedy>	 You make it call itself, same as you would any recursion
[17:13:01] <Reedy>	 But you obviously need a conditional/similar to prevent it being infinite
[17:13:39] <cousteau>	 I was doing something like {{#if:{{{1}}}|do something with {{str left|{{{1}}}|1}} and continue with {{template|{{str right|{{{1}}}|1}}}}}
[17:14:00] <cousteau>	 I think I'm missing }} there 
[17:14:18] <Reedy>	 Feels a lot simpler if you can just use lua
[17:14:30] <cousteau>	 Reedy: that's what I thought but it seems that recursion is not allowed in templates 
[17:14:57] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates#Recursion_in_templates
[17:16:51] <cousteau>	 Yes, that seems to mean that recursion is not permitted, right? 
[17:17:32] <cousteau>	 I get "Template loop detected" 
[17:18:12] <cousteau>	 Ah, maybe I messed up and I'm creating an *infinite* loop
[17:20:21] <Reedy>	 Sounds like it
[17:22:53] <FoxT_>	 Reedy: IIRC one issue with #if was, that it always evaluated both sides and then only one result made it through. You know if that's still true? Or ever was?
[17:23:11] <cousteau>	 My bad, I misunderstood, I thought no loop was allowed 
[17:23:32] <Reedy>	 FoxT_: honestly no idea
[17:23:34] <cousteau>	 FoxT_: damn, that might be an issue 
[17:23:48] <Reedy>	 includeonly workaround/
[17:24:15] <cousteau>	 What workaround? 
[17:24:35] <Reedy>	 using parser tricks to stop it evaluating stuff
[17:25:03] <cousteau>	 I think I'll read about Lua templates 
[17:25:38] <cousteau>	 Can regular users create them? 
[17:25:44] <Reedy>	 Yup
[17:28:19] <cousteau>	 Seems complicated, like I need to create a module 
[17:28:47] <Reedy>	 What are you actually trying to do?
[17:29:51] <cousteau>	 Morse parser: convert {{morse|.---}} to "dit daah daah daah}" 
[17:30:43] <Reedy>	 you should be able to just do that with a loop in lua
[17:30:49] <cousteau>	 Instead of the current {{morse|dot|dash|dash|dash}} 
[17:31:52] <Reedy>	 https://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Morse_code#Lua
[17:31:58] <cousteau>	 I don't remember much of Lua but I guess it would be easy, but I have no idea how to make a Lua template 
[17:32:46] <Reedy>	 !scribunto
[17:32:46] <wm-bot>	 Scribunto is a new extension that makes it easier to write repeatable code in Lua, rather than in complex wikitext templates. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua_scripting and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto for more information.
[17:33:05] <Reedy>	 It's mostly to a pattern
[17:36:36] <cousteau>	 OK, so I need to make a thing in the Module: namespace 
[17:36:59] <Reedy>	 Yip
[17:37:08] <cousteau>	 Out of curiosity, what was that includeonly workaround? 
[17:37:53] <Reedy>	 Changing the order if/when things are parsed
[17:37:55] <cousteau>	 Also, is there any advantage on using or not using Lua?  I think people on Wikipedia tend to reject Lua templates 
[17:38:15] <Reedy>	 Do they?
[17:38:16] <Reedy>	 Since when?
[17:38:32] <Reedy>	 They exist to make complex "templates" more simple, easier to maintain etc
[17:38:47] <cousteau>	 Not actually sure, it's an impression I got but maybe I misunderstood something 
[17:39:30] <cousteau>	 Brb, asking 
[17:44:08] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=828
[17:44:09] <Reedy>	 fwiw
[17:47:27] <Vulpix>	 Lua is a bit difficult to start if you don't know the syntax (wiki syntax is simple and easy in general), but once you dig in it, it's a lot easier to do complex things than wikitext
[17:48:10] <Reedy>	 Vulpix: I also already linekd a Morse Code parser in lua ;)
[18:02:18] <cousteau>	 I still haven't figured out that includeonly thing… also I'm not sure if there's some easy way to sandbox Lua modules (per user if possible), just put it in Module:sandbox/Cousteau/morse or something like that? 
[18:05:36] <cousteau>	 (although I'd I'm making a module just for this, I might as well make a more universal one that parses arbitrary characters/strings) 
[19:06:26] <mali_>	 hello
[19:07:18] <mali_>	 ?+
[19:07:19] <harmaahylje>	 hi
[19:07:30] <mali_>	 i have a question regarding wiki
[19:07:48] <mali_>	 is this the right chat for wiki problems
[19:08:01] <harmaahylje>	 write /topic
[19:08:16] <mali_>	 how can i do that
[19:08:33] <harmaahylje>	 by typing it and pressing enter
[19:08:41] <mali_>	 oh ok i see sorry
[19:08:47] <harmaahylje>	 it will show you the topic of this channel :)
[19:09:00] <mali_>	 So I have a wiki account that is not working the whay it should
[19:09:31] <harmaahylje>	 okay
[19:09:40] <mali_>	 even my username is wrong..i dont know how that could happen
[19:09:54] <mali_>	 so now i wish to delete my wiki account in oder to create a new one
[19:10:01] <harmaahylje>	 are you the admin of the wiki?
[19:10:07] <mali_>	 no
[19:10:11] <mali_>	 im just a student
[19:10:14] <mali_>	 thats y i am here
[19:10:29] <mali_>	 i thought this will help me to fix my problem
[19:11:33] <harmaahylje>	 what is your problem?
[19:12:23] <mali_>	 my problem is that my username is not correct
[19:12:35] <mali_>	 and that is also the reason that they dont accept my passwort
[19:12:56] <mali_>	 i want to delete my current account to create a new one
[19:13:16] <mali_>	 the username shoud be the sur and family name together 
[19:13:22] <mali_>	 without any gap, right?
[19:13:48] <mali_>	 i just used the same username as i have in moodle
[19:13:53] <mali_>	 and that is wrong
[19:14:14] <harmaahylje>	 alright, maybe you should contact your schools/unis tech support?
[19:15:14] <mali_>	 ok thx
[19:16:51] <harmaahylje>	 I'm sure they can help you, we can't really
[22:43:09] <DiamondDish>	 Wikipedia is fucking shit and all your admins are fucking kikes who need to be gassed.
[22:43:12] <DiamondDish>	 fuck you
[22:44:18] <DiamondDish>	 Fucking kikes censoring new users and banning them for no valid reason.
[23:01:55] <nomadictype>	 hello, is there a way to enable "subpages" in the File namespace, so that users can upload files with names like dir/subdir/filename.ext?
[23:02:05] <nomadictype>	 I tried $wgNamespacesWithSubpages[NS_FILE] = true but that did not seem to work
[23:02:31] <nomadictype>	 I also found $wgIllegalFileChars but I'm worried that changing it will open up a security hole
[23:03:46] <cousteau>	 What Lua version does mediawiki use?
[23:05:35] <cousteau>	 I'm having trouble making a Lua function that iterates over the arguments.  So far I did something like   for i = 1, #frame.args do   but that seems to yield 0, not the number of arguments
[23:05:56] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto#Lua_binary 5.1 seemingly
[23:06:50] <cousteau>	 ah wait, it's a weird metatable
[23:07:40] <cousteau>	 Argument values are requested from MediaWiki on demand. This means that most other table methods will not work correctly, including #frame.args, next( frame.args ), and the functions in the Table library.
[23:08:15] <cousteau>	 ...so how do I know when I ran out of arguments?  because an argument is nil/""?
[23:08:16] <bawolff>	 nomadictype: currently we use the files real  name as the file name. So / is banned as we dont want to make subdirectories in the images directory
[23:09:31] <nomadictype>	 bawolff: makes sense. I guess there is no option to always hash/sanitize filenames before they hit the filesystem?
[23:09:58] <bawolff>	 I think there might be actually
[23:10:25] <bawolff>	 But it probably wouldnt remove the / check because it happens on different layers
[23:10:55] <Reedy>	 $wgHashedUploadDirectory is true by default
[23:10:58] <bawolff>	 but i suspect that somewhere in the FileBackend or FileRepo config you can set always hash
[23:11:20] <bawolff>	 right, but thats not the whole filename
[23:11:41] <bawolff>	 but deleted files get fully hashed, so there is that somewhere
[23:12:01] <Reedy>	 You mean storing the file name as the hash?
[23:12:11] <Reedy>	 lol
[23:12:38] <nomadictype>	 yeah, so not a/ab/filename.ext but 0/01/01234...def
[23:13:16] <nomadictype>	 or just replace all slashes with dashes
[23:17:59] <cousteau>	 Welp, it is done, my very first Mediawiki Lua module: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Sandbox/Cousteau/strsubst
[23:18:26] <cousteau>	 on second thought, it would've been easier if I just knew what that <includeonly> trick to make recursion work was
[23:18:40] <cousteau>	 but I didn't manage to figure out what it was
[23:39:15] <cousteau>	 is there a way to make an argument to a template be a single white space?
[23:39:41] <cousteau>	 just like you can use {{=}} or {{!}} for = and | ?