[07:46:20] testing, testing [08:10:19] question! [08:10:53] so Linker::link() [08:12:12] if I want to create a link that points to xx.m.wikiblah.org [08:12:27] is there a class that will do that? [08:13:07] (on desktop but link to xx.m.wikiblah) [13:58:39] Seddon: probably not, the concept of a mobile domain does not exist in core [14:01:32] tgr: that is a shame [14:01:37] for me at least :P [15:25:52] Seddon: filed T195494, feel free to add your use case [15:25:53] T195494: Handle mobile domains in core - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195494 [19:35:56] wmf is dying, and also freenode, blame #GDPR (?) [19:38:28] Vulpix: ? [19:39:12] harmaahylje: I mean server problems, not in the sense of "gone for good" [19:39:37] right, that's what I suspected, but you put gdpr in there. [21:41:11] Hi guys, any chance I can ask you about a non-wikipedia site running MW 1.29.2 please? It was working earlier, and is now presenting an MWException of the type "Unable to open cdb file for write" [21:41:29] Error here: https://pastebin.com/CUjBwebg - Site is https://de.vikidia.org [21:41:53] Any ideas what would have caused this please? [21:45:25] DaneGeld: i think cdb files are used to cache localisation messages. i don't know why would the wiki suddenly become unable to write one [21:45:33] DaneGeld: the site seems to work for me right now, though [21:45:50] Yeah, it's been down a while, literally just come back up. [21:46:13] Isn't that always the way? It don't work until you speak to the techs, and then it pops into life and makes you look silly :) [21:47:52] haha :D [21:48:14] We've been having other probs with this and a couple of the other language versions - French and English, with files "disappearing" from the database, but admins not removing them. [21:48:51] Looking at Special:ListFiles on the English site, en.vikidia.org, reveals a fair few "Error creating thumbnail: File missing" messages [21:49:31] I've had to replace two files there which I uploaded, they sat there about a week, and vanished [21:51:33] files are not actually stored in the database, only the metadata is (e.g. upload date and user). the actual files are either normal files in the images/ directory, or stored in a dedicated service like Swift (depending on wiki configuration) [21:52:37] maybe you're running out of disk space and a server administrator deleted stuff, or incompletely restored the files from backup, or something [21:53:23] it could be a mediawiki bug if you just uploaded a file and it was not there. but if it uploaded successfully and existed for a while, then disappeared, then almost certainly mediawiki is not what caused it [21:55:06] Wouldn't any deletion of files show up in RC though? [21:55:17] DaneGeld: if you're using NFS for the files (e.g. files are actually stored on a 2nd server) that may be the source of the problem [21:55:50] I don't know the whole in and out of it, I'd have to speak to our founder for that information, but it certainly seems like something is wrong somewhere. [21:56:07] yugipedia.com is also having this problem on some images. I don't know the details of the investigation, but they're using NFS [21:56:10] DaneGeld: it would if you deleted the wiki page for the file (which also deletes the file metadata, and the file). but if the file just disappears, mediawiki doesn't track that [21:56:59] Oh. So it's possible that the metadata is there, but what it points to, isn't? [21:57:22] yes [21:58:28] I think for now, what I might do is upload to commons, and use my files from there rather than doing local uploads. I might suggest to the administrators that we switch off local upload and send stuff to there instead. [21:58:51] Would save having users needing to reupload stuff and having it go walkabout [21:59:22] commons has some strict requirements for uploads, files should be free [21:59:40] if you mean https://commons.wikimedia.org/ , note that they have pretty strict licensing requirements and will delete your stuff if it looks like it's copyrighted [22:00:15] All of ours are. We go by CC-0, GFDL or CC-BY-SA. We don't use any images which don't comply with commons requirements [22:01:08] oh, neat [22:01:20] There are local versions of the CC-BY-SA 3.0, or there's PD-SELF and so on. We're pretty good with that. [22:03:19] Anyhow, I'll keep a watch on the german site, and the english one - and I'll drop a message for astirmays tomorrow morning. [22:03:43] I'm going to go get a coffee, then get some sleep. Thanks for the advice guys :) [22:04:03] Godnat [22:04:06] :) [22:16:22] I've had that cdb problem too. running multiple wikis as vhosts - the .cdb file has a predictable name, so if they all share the same tmpdir, they collide with each other [22:20:45] a little late I know, but if he's having the same problem, it hasn't magically fixed itself, it just isn't a problem when the cache is warm