[07:18:12] Is there a way I could have a single page with all pages of a category in transcluded? (Without manually adding each page) [08:16:00] hello, i am complete new in this kind of IT, i need support asap pls [08:16:56] the thing is, i have installed mediawiki without any problems but i dont know how to fucking konfigure it how i need it [08:17:12] Complete_New: what are you trying to do? [08:27:28] i am trying to to like an excel formular but with this mediawiki, i need to do it like so, i need a database where i can enter my customers customer companys, their manager and many other stuff, but i need this formal/website to be completly up to date every time i check it [08:27:35] you can follow me? [08:29:27] sry, not like an excel formular, i need for example for every customer an underpoint with its details [08:29:53] can i do that with mediawiki? [08:32:12] um [08:32:29] I'm not really sure exactly what you're asking, but I think you might want to look into SMW [08:32:31] !smw [08:32:31] SemanticMediaWiki is an awesome extension that lets you connect wiki pages with semantic relations. See and . Mailing lists are available at [08:37:01] ok, ill try to explain it a litle better, think you have a large company with many customers, these customers have everyday changing details with theri companys and you wand the wiki to be up to date every day [08:38:16] so that your employees dont have to make 50 excel formulars no, you have one wiki page where every employee can change stuff for every customer and you can search easy for every customer and company with up to date details [08:40:01] standard MediaWiki pages are just plain text. You can add in advanced formatting with templates, and logical statements with parser functions [08:40:22] But if you want object representations and modeling stuff, SMW is a decent way to do that [08:41:37] ok, but i dont exactly how to implement smw to my mediawiki or how to edit normal mediawiki how i need to have it, i mean i know the commands i think but not where to enter them you know [11:32:42] I'm using Auth_remoteuser to automatically register users/log them in. The system seems to automatically add the users to "autoregistered users" group. [11:33:10] I with to use the DynamicPageList (third-party) extention also. But this extention needs users to be in the "users" group. [11:33:26] so when I enable the last extention, I can no longer acces my wiki. [11:33:42] Any idea how I can add my users to my "users" group? [11:37:15] o_0 [11:38:01] Yeah, I know, weird :) [11:39:09] finalbeta: all registered users should be in the "users" group automatically. it's a virtual group that just means "logged in". [11:39:35] if the extension isn't seeing that, you may be hitting this problem: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142295 [11:41:39] DanielK_WMDE_, seems I'm providing false information, I didn't see it on the special:userrights page, but the users are indeed in the users group, I can see it when i go to my prefs (Member of groups: Bureaucrats, Users, Autoconfirmed users) [11:42:13] So the extention is not seeing it as you say. thank you for the link. (looking....) [11:47:38] DanielK_WMDE_, after reading that, it does seem to match the behaviour. However, If I read it correctly, that issue is since mediawiki 1.27, I'm on 1.30. The issue is still open. But that would mean noone can use that extention since 1.27? [11:48:16] perhaps just the combination of the two is triggering it in my case. [11:49:42] I wonder if I should bother responding (if it adds anything) [12:15:13] finalbeta: it's an issue with the initialization sequence. if an extension tried to access user groups before the system is fully initialized, an incomplete set of groups can get cached. [12:15:30] changing the order in which you load extensions may already fix it [12:46:22] I noticed that the "```wiki_#######_session```" cookie in **HTTP_COOKIE** isn't set until after you attempt to make your first edit. Is this normal? I'm also seeing a problem with the first save not working, so I thought this might be the cause. Anyone have time to help me diagnose the problem? [12:46:50] DanielK_WMDE_, Thanks for the tip DanielK_WMDE_ , I'm loading the (DynamicPageList) extension as the very last line in my LocalSettings, and the auth_remoteuser as soon as I can. I tried some other combinations. But to no avail. [15:42:48] Apparently I am currently in panic [15:43:00] I have a wiki and the templates stopped rendering [15:43:13] They are just shown as links to the respective template [15:43:28] I have no clue what is going on. [15:43:48] I already changed the main cache type from memcached to none [15:44:07] no effect still only the links to the templates are shown [15:44:17] Purge the pages? [15:44:25] I will be really great if I could get help here [15:44:38] Needless to say that purging the pages does not change a thing [15:44:49] action purge does not help [15:47:46] touching LocalSettings.php does not help either [15:52:54] Anybody with a clue as to where to look for the issue [15:53:05] I really appreciate help here [15:53:18] I do not understand why a template should not be rendered [15:53:39] If I go to namespace template the templates are being rendered [15:56:41] panicguy: is your wiki public, and if so can you give a link to a non-working page? [15:57:03] no unfortuantely not [15:57:11] did you try a null edit? [15:57:15] it contains sensible data [15:57:18] (edit the broken page, don't change anything, but hit save) [15:58:06] null edits clear a few more things than action=purge does [15:58:32] not editing, null or adding some stuff does not change a thing [15:58:45] check the HTML source of the page in your browser [15:58:57] (Ctrl+U or right click in the page and hit View Source) [15:59:10] look for the links and see if there's any around them explaining what may be happening [15:59:20] (also check the comments towards the bottom of the page source) [16:00:09] you may need to temporarily add $wgDebugComments = true; in your LocalSettings.php before they start showing up [16:08:11] done so - now I get about 300 lines of all sorts of stuff [16:08:20] yep [16:08:25] enables the debug toolbar [16:08:28] look for anything around the template links that looks wrong [16:08:50] I can't be more specific than that, unfortunately [16:10:00] Title::getRestrictionTypes: applicable restrictions to [[20180607]] are {edit,move} [16:10:08] is this something usable [16:10:13] no [16:10:29] is 20180607 a template you're calling? [16:11:26] yes [16:11:37] I just created it [16:11:37] things you'll want to be on the lookout for include anything that says "error" or "warning" or anything about limits being exceeded [16:11:42] ok [16:11:53] are you calling it with {{20180607}} or [[20180607]]? [16:12:06] it shows in the template namespace allright [16:12:08] [[20180607]] [16:12:11] the former (curly braces) calls the template, the latter (square) just links to it [16:12:36] so there's your problem :) [16:12:43] (you can turn off all that debugging stuff) [16:13:06] you may want to peruse https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates as well [16:13:20] it goes into more detail on how to call templates and how to make use of parameters [16:13:29] sorry i misunderstood your question [16:13:50] all templates are added like {{20180607}} to pages [16:13:54] ok [16:14:02] there are aboiut 5000 pages with templates [16:14:02] is the link red or blue? [16:14:15] in the debug output the call is shown with [[ ]] [16:14:23] the link is blue [16:14:48] I do not understand why the template renders in the template namespace and not in other namespaces [16:15:23] do you have any extensions installed? [16:15:59] (if yes, mind listing them?) [16:15:59] about 60 including the bluespice stuff [16:16:08] 60 might be a bit much to list [16:16:23] but my next guess is that one of your extensions is misbehaving [16:16:35] what wonders me is the sudden failure [16:16:55] with no change in the composition of extensions [16:17:06] i did not even change the versioning [16:17:18] i.e. upgrade a single extension [16:17:44] I hovever removed one permission from what I believed was just me [16:18:02] I really dislike the supplemental interfaces I get with bluespice [16:18:44] I find this interesting. Anyways, someone hacked my MAC and I want to make sure he is off and whatever device he used is wiped out. [16:19:35] I don’t care how long it takes to learn.. [16:19:52] Jen: Not the right place [16:20:06] Hmm.. [16:20:15] What is this then? [16:21:18] To talk about the MediaWiki software [16:22:30] Well it’s the software that will be needed to bypass the bullshit and get him off right? [16:26:03] I don’t care how long it takes to learn for myself.. just need direction to find this person. [16:26:26] No it's not [16:26:34] MediaWiki is the software that runs wikipedia [16:27:13] that’s unfortunate. Good thing what I was thinking was completely legal then. :) [16:27:24] MediaWiki has nothing at all to do with your issue; if you have an issue where you suspect someone hacked your computer, reinstalling the operating system from scratch (deleting all data on the device) is the most robust solution [16:28:07] I’ll just find someone who can help then. Thanks . [16:28:18] counterattacking ("attacking the attacker") is illegal in many countries, including the US [16:28:44] it must be one of the bluespice extensions. this is pretty irritating software [16:29:01] i am spending hours on related issues [16:29:03] I’ve deleted it all however I want to know who he is and try to make sure all my data isn’t sitting on his computer. [16:29:08] i am really angry [16:29:17] Jen: that's going to be nearly impossible to achieve [16:29:26] panicguy: it seems likely, unfortunately [16:29:34] does bluespice implement per-page or per-namespace access control? [16:29:40] that might be causing things to trip up [16:30:14] like, if you locked down the Template namespace, it may refuse to let you include templates on other namespaces because it can't guarantee that the user has permissions to the original template [16:30:25] What? This is legal.. the IT men couldn’t even get this person locked down. He’s a sick fuck who told me he’ll see me soon and since then I’ve had someone outside my window multiple times so just knowing who it is would be comforting along with knowing if he has lol my personal data or not. [16:30:43] yes and they provide numerous interfaces for changing group right on group user and whatever level - this drives me nuts [16:30:43] did you file a police report? [16:30:50] in any case, this is completely irrelevant to this channel [16:32:01] panicguy: I'd look into those ACLs then and see if something is amiss there [16:32:12] (or get rid of bluespice entirely if it isn't actually needed) [16:32:32] Uhh yeah!! Don’t need to tell me what is against the law or not.. I’m well aware and in the legal field. Never did I ask for someone to hack.. [16:33:27] there are so many acl page. a total confusion. i am really angry. acl for users, groups namepaces whatever [16:34:31] Have a good day. [16:37:25] oh i am so bloody angry [16:37:39] sorry :(