[03:20:05] <c>	 thanks ashley btw
[12:34:36] <khalella>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SesMailer "Copy SesMailer folder into extensions folder of your MediaWiki instance"
[12:34:47] <khalella>	 thats cool. so where is that? 
[12:36:46] <khalella>	 ah, there's a github project page on the right
[13:12:51] <khalella>	 is anyone using Amazon SES? im getting an error from Extension:SesMailer: Special:EmailUser Error from line 19 of /var/www/html/extensions/SesMailer/SesMailer_body.php: Class 'Aws\Ses\SesClient' not found
[13:17:08] <Vulpix>	 khalella: did you use composer to download the amazon dependencies?
[13:18:01] <khalella>	 Vulpix: yeah. im confused about the role of autoloader.php though
[13:18:09] <khalella>	 composer generates one, and mediawiki includes one
[13:18:34] <khalella>	 do i need to include either one of those in LocalSettings.php ?
[13:19:44] <Vulpix>	 I think you only need to download the AWS dependencies with composer, and not change autoloader at all (isn't that the point of using composer after all?)
[13:20:59] <khalella>	 i know very little about PHP or Composer
[13:20:59] <Vulpix>	 My guess is that composer should be run from the root of MediaWiki directory
[13:21:18] <khalella>	 okay. i have something like this in my Dockerfile https://pastebin.com/e3gDMZE3 
[13:21:32] <Vulpix>	 I don't know much about composer neither
[13:21:50] <khalella>	 err... wrong pastebin https://pastebin.com/pa7it9HM
[13:24:09] <khalella>	 so running the composer installer from the mediawiki directory will overwrite the existing autoloader
[13:26:34] <Vulpix>	 I'd say it would recreate it with the new information, not simply removing the existing contents
[13:31:07] <khalella>	 is composer already installed? why would there there exist an autoloader if there is no composer
[13:31:26] <khalella>	 i don't see a composer.phar
[13:32:16] <khalella>	 or.. composer downloads modules, and autoload loads them
[13:39:59] <khalella>	 getting closer... getting an error when sending email Deprecated: Non-static method SesMailer::wfSesMailer() should not be called statically in /var/www/html/includes/Hooks.php on line 177 
[13:41:18] <khalella>	 im using mediawiki:1.31 which uses php:7.2-apache
[13:41:34] <khalella>	 is Extension:SesMailer too old maybe
[13:42:00] <Vulpix>	 composer is a php script. If you have composer installed in your system, running "composer" will run a composer.phar already installed in your system, otherwise you'll have to download it and run that file
[13:42:58] <Vulpix>	 well, "deprecated" is not an error by itself, just a "code hygiene" warning. You should disable all E_DEPRECATED errors in a production environment
[13:43:19] <Vulpix>	 they are meant for developers
[13:44:45] <khalella>	 the response im getting from the POST is a 500
[13:45:00] <khalella>	 so other than this, its a mystery internal error
[13:45:23] <Vulpix>	 the deprecated error is not the source of the 500 error
[13:45:28] <Vulpix>	 !blank
[13:45:28] <wm-bot>	 A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>.
[13:45:33] <khalella>	 cool yea i see
[13:46:05] <Vulpix>	 but well, it may be that the extension is not really compatible with latest PHP/MediaWiki
[13:46:29] <khalella>	 i have error_reporting( -1 ); ini_set( 'display_errors', 1 ); $wgShowExceptionDetails = True; set
[13:46:47] <khalella>	 yea im wondering if there is a better way to do this... 
[13:47:17] <khalella>	 i dont' really think paying $75/mo for a dedicated SendGrid IP just to verify accounts and reset passwords makes a lot of sense for this
[13:48:09] <Vulpix>	 you can try with a plain gmail account
[13:48:09] <khalella>	 the email i was getting when using a shared SendGrid account pretty much go straight to Spam
[13:48:14] <khalella>	 hmm
[13:48:43] <khalella>	 that is an interesting idea Vulpix 
[13:49:55] <Vulpix>	 a better alternative is setting your MX, SPF, DMARC, DKIM DNS records right and configure sendmail or postfix, although that's complex
[13:50:36] <Vulpix>	 khalella: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:$wgSMTP#Using_gmail's_SMTP_-_tested_31/03/17
[13:51:24] <Vulpix>	 I guess that could go on the manual page itself...
[13:52:33] <khalella>	 yeah thats pretty great
[14:03:56] <Aebian>	 Hi people. Can someone tell me how I can find out which page in the table page matches to the item in table text? The page ID seems not the correct identifier for that
[14:06:05] <Vulpix>	 !db page
[14:06:05] <wm-bot>	 See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:page_table
[14:06:32] <Vulpix>	 Aebian: page_latest will point to the current revision of the page
[14:06:38] <Vulpix>	 !db revision
[14:06:38] <wm-bot>	 See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:revision_table
[14:06:47] <Aebian>	 thanks
[14:07:01] <Vulpix>	 in revision, the column rev_text_id has the reference to the text
[14:07:19] <Aebian>	 cool thanks
[15:06:23] <khalella>	 hmm at $5/mo for a google apps email with a custom domain name, Amazon SES is actually cheaper
[15:06:43] <khalella>	 i guess we could send password reset emails using @gmail.com :V
[15:08:08] <Vulpix>	 I have set up postfix for sending emails with my domain name, with DKIM, SPF and DMARC. For free, but of course it required investigation and configuration from my part
[15:08:56] <khalella>	 Vulpix: do you have to manage bounces with VERP
[15:09:08] <khalella>	 and run some spamhaus script
[15:09:22] <Vulpix>	 I do not manage bounces at all
[15:09:34] <khalella>	 cool. fuck it
[15:09:35] <Vulpix>	 but I guess I could investigate that
[15:35:21] <uricharda>	 Does anyone know how to download Riivolution?
[15:38:12] <uricharda>	 or does anyone know why the web page for the download http://rvlution.net/riivolution.zip is not functioning?
[15:40:14] <Vulpix>	 uricharda: looks like you're on the wrong support channel