[13:20:15] <Reception123>	 Does anyone know an alternative for https://m.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?oldid=1692885?
[13:20:34] <Reception123>	 (DynamicFubctions
[13:20:41] <Reception123>	 Functions*
[13:34:36] <Vulpix>	 Reception123: JavaScript
[13:35:57] <Reception123>	 Vulpix: oh ok. Thanks :)
[18:33:41] <bawolff>	 Informal survey: I'm playing with captchas. What do people think about the readability of https://tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/captcha/setA/ vs https://tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/captcha/setB/ vs https://tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/captcha/setC/ ? Do you think they would be acceptable to use?
[18:36:52] * FoxT thinks they are generally well readable, although https://tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/captcha/setC/image_nilotlynne_1ffa17fbfe28c45a.png is a head-scratcher
[18:37:19] <bawolff>	 setB is what we currently are using, fyi
[18:37:40] <bawolff>	 setA is much more resistant to off the shelf tools
[18:38:25] <bawolff>	 yeah, words with i and l in them seem hard to distinguish under this scheme
[18:38:33] <bawolff>	 and even worse when i and l are together
[18:38:45] <Vulpix>	 some of them are very readable https://tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/captcha/setA/image_munchbavin_45fd7f617988bb14.png https://tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/captcha/setA/image_mamaadzer_ed57df9efbabe4dc.png
[18:39:06] <bawolff>	 setC is halfway between setB and setA
[18:40:15] <bawolff>	 There was a proposal a while back to switch to https://tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/captcha/img/ but people were concerned that humans might have trouble reading them and it never went anywhere, so I thought i'd experiment with some other options
[18:42:28] <Vulpix>	 machine learning is beating humans in solving captchas those days
[18:43:08] <bawolff>	 yeah, not to mention that its really cheap to just use labour in third world countries
[18:43:40] <bawolff>	 But no sense in making it easier (Or if we want to make it easier, we should just disable them entirely, but nobody wants to do that either)
[18:45:53] <bawolff>	 So just using off the shelf OCR software (tesseract), our current captchas can be solved 33% of the time (in my test. Tim did a test where he reported 66% success)
[18:46:18] <Vulpix>	 I wonder how long it would take for bots (or someone) to get one that solves simple things like "Given the word *business*, type 3 letters backwards starting from the 6th letter"
[18:46:57] <bawolff>	 the setA of my test, can only be solved by tesseract 3.5% of the time (setC is 22%)
[18:47:14] <bawolff>	 Vulpix: I think its one of those things that depends on how big a target you are
[18:47:28] <bawolff>	 If you're a small site, nobody is going to bother customizing their bot for you
[18:47:34] <bawolff>	 but if you're big, they probably will
[18:48:44] <bawolff>	 and setD is 4%
[20:07:18] <bawolff>	 Ok, my next attempt: https://tools.wmflabs.org/bawolff/captcha/setG/ I think this is more readable than the previous attempt
[23:12:36] <revansx[m]>	 I'm running **html email notifications** from **echo **and the emails it generates contain an image link that does not show in the email.. I looked at the html code and the image link looks like this: ```<img src="https://myhost/mediawiki/mywiki/load.php?modules=ext.echo.emailicons&amp;image=mention&amp;lang=en&amp;format=rasterized" alt="" height="30" width="30">```
[23:12:36] <revansx[m]>	 .. is this normal?
[23:12:37] <revansx[m]>	 when 
[23:12:53] <Reedy>	 Is your wiki setup wrong?
[23:16:18] <MatmaRex>	 the image link looks normal to me
[23:16:39] <MatmaRex>	 if there is no image under that URL, then you probably don't have ImageMagick installed (`convert` utility)
[23:17:28] <revansx[m]>	 ah!
[23:17:47] <revansx[m]>	 so I need to upload an image called "mention"
[23:17:53] <MatmaRex>	 you can also configure a different SVG converter: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSVGConverters
[23:18:07] <MatmaRex>	 no, the image should exist. it is part of Echo
[23:18:28] <MatmaRex>	 (apparently your wiki can't display it, but i can only guess why)
[23:19:18] <revansx[m]>	 how can i verify that the image exists? .. is it looking for an uploaded image in the wiki .. or an image file in the extension folder?
[23:19:54] <MatmaRex>	 image file in the extensions folder
[23:22:13] <revansx[m]>	 ok.. in ```/extensions/Echo/modules/icons/``` there is a file called ```mention.svg```
[23:22:36] <bawolff>	 I would suggest looking in your php error log. May have something useful
[23:22:49] <revansx[m]>	 ok. thanks
[23:25:29] <revansx[m]>	 yeah, when I past the url (```https://myhost/mediawiki/mywiki/load.php?modules=ext.echo.emailicons&amp;image=mention&amp;lang=en&amp;format=rasterized```) into my browser directly the response is: ```Image generation failed```
[23:28:44] <revansx[m]>	 I know I have ImageMagik running.. my wiki generates thumbnails of all my uploaded files nicely