[02:23:36] <bawolff_>	 Crazy idea
[02:23:47] <bawolff_>	 use web browser DRM support for captchas
[02:24:11] <bawolff_>	 If you can't copy the image, you can't give it to a captcha solving service
[02:24:38] <bawolff_>	 of course then we'd be supporting evil
[02:40:45] <Skizzerz>	 I think you need special code signing keys for that
[02:40:55] <Skizzerz>	 and he's gone
[02:42:20] <p858snake|_>	 start the discussion in phab!
[02:48:42] <p858snake|_>	 bawolff: <Skizzerz> I think you need special code signing keys for that <Skizzerz> and he's gone
[02:49:20] <bawolff>	 Skizzerz: I have no idea. But I assume its something you can buy
[02:49:58] <p858snake|_>	 recaptchas! *runs away*
[02:51:57] <Skizzerz>	 yeah, purchase is probably necessary
[02:55:56] <Skizzerz>	 hmm
[02:55:57] <Skizzerz>	 or not
[02:57:22] <Skizzerz>	 you can use ClearKey to roll your own licensing server, which is good enough for the purpose of simply blocking people from easily capturing the output
[02:57:28] <Skizzerz>	 downside: this means that captchas require js now
[02:57:36] <Skizzerz>	 so what do we do if the browser doesn't support js?
[02:57:54] <Skizzerz>	 if you fallback to just plain images, then that's what the spammers will do
[02:58:43] <Skizzerz>	 if you block it entirely, then you annoy a lot of people
[04:43:56] <bawolff>	 Skizzerz: looks like you can content protect your drm videos for ~$70/month (google widevine)
[04:44:15] <bawolff>	 so pricey for just a captcha, but not insanely so
[04:44:26] <bawolff>	 politically that would never go over of course
[09:02:13] <p858snake>	 thedj: you can set policies on uploads iirc, but it breaks once linked in tasks from memory
[10:59:05] <rosco_y>	 *newbie alert*: I'd like to learn wiki syntax using personal wiki software on my windows 10, that is easy to setup and run.  Can anyone recommend software for me?
[12:22:58] <okdana>	 hello, i'm seeing weird behaviour with scribunto (the lua thing) — i get strange results from its included bit32 library
[12:23:02] <okdana>	 is this the place to ask about that?
[16:07:20] <Smith609_>	 I'm hitting a wall when trying to update a bot to use oAuth for authentication
[16:07:34] <Smith609_>	 When I attempt to log in with a token, I receive an error message "Cannot log in when using MediaWiki\Session\BotPasswordSessionProvider sessions."
[16:07:53] <Smith609_>	 I've no idea where to start here - any thoughts appreciated!
[16:08:23] <Smith609_>	 I should add, this is for a bot on Wikipedia
[16:33:26] <Reedy>	 Smith609_: How are you attempting ot log in?
[16:44:12] <Smith609_>	 I'm obtaining a login token via 'action' => 'query', 'meta'=>'tokens', 'type'=>'login'
[16:44:18] <Smith609_>	 Using PHP
[16:44:32] <Smith609_>	 Then using a POST request to the API
[16:44:46] <Smith609_>	 I'm using the OAuth class.
[17:00:19] <Smith609_>	 Got to head off so posted query to WMD
[17:00:42] <Smith609_>	 Ta
[22:29:55] <Helvianir>	 Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question. So a friend of mine is setting up a wiki on his server and we are running into a few issues concerning .svg and VisualEditor.
[22:29:55] <Helvianir>	 So concerning our svg error, we had an issue with imagemagick converting those svg's into png's, namely that all the shapes of the svg were filled solid black, as if it were a silhouette. So we changed the renderer to rsvg and now no thumbnail will generate, added to that, the media viewer is spewing out errors aswell, even before the switch.
[22:29:55] <Helvianir>	 The problem only persists with locally hosted svg's, those from commons work (except for viewing it in media viewer)
[22:29:55] <Helvianir>	 I have tried to comb the manual and haven't found anything on this yet, and my friend has tried everything he knows, so could someone help shine a light?
[22:30:29] <Helvianir>	 We're also getting this error now
[22:30:48] <Helvianir>	 12:26 a.m. <Helvianir> Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to load module `/opt/bitnami/common/lib/ImageMagick-6.9.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.la': file not found @ error/module.c/OpenModule/1302. convert: no decode delegate for this image format `PNG' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/504. convert: no images defined `/opt/bitnami/apps/mediawiki/htdocs/images/temp/transform_d9ec489ac3d4.png' @
[22:30:48] <Helvianir>	 error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3258. Error code: 1
[22:32:56] <Reedy>	 You're possibly missing some packages
[22:33:44] <Reedy>	 Though, you (or your provider?) is seemingly building from source
[22:33:57] <Reedy>	 So very likely they didn't have various libs/dev packages installed before building it
[22:34:08] <Helvianir>	 I'll ask
[22:34:24] <Helvianir>	 Or get him here instead
[22:34:30] <Reedy>	 See https://askubuntu.com/questions/211627/how-to-add-support-for-the-jpeg-image-format
[22:40:18] <Heku>	 hi
[22:41:14] <Heku>	 i'm the one having issues with SVG rendering
[22:42:00] <Heku>	 how can i tell what libs i'm missing
[22:42:28] <Helvianir>	 Reedy that's the guy
[22:42:47] <Helvianir>	 Maybe you can help him?
[22:42:59] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/bitnami/bitnami-docker-php-fpm/issues/26
[23:02:17] <Heku>	 when i run the make command, i get 'make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.'
[23:03:09] <Reedy>	 Sorry, we're not here to help you build imagemagick from source
[23:05:17] <Ursula>	 Speak for yourself, Reedy!
[23:06:26] <Ursula>	 Helvianir: What's the VisualEditor issue?
[23:07:39] <Helvianir>	 Something with RESTserver Heku take notes
[23:13:59] <Helvianir>	 But I think visualeditor isn't a current priority now that images don't have thumbnails
[23:15:56] <Ursula>	 Now? Did you move hosts or something?
[23:19:15] <Helvianir>	 We used to host the wiki on a shared server I believe, but it was having a multitude of issues and it wasn't possible to add visualeditor, so this week we moved everything to a new server
[23:20:53] <Helvianir>	 I don't run the server though, I've only been trying to find solutions. Heku is the guy who maintains the server. 
[23:21:13] <Heku>	 and i'm not a seasoned dev by any means