[02:20:24] <c>	 how would enabling a file cache negatively affect ad impressions?
[02:21:14] <Ursula>	 c: It typically wouldn't.
[02:21:29] <Ursula>	 What's your real question?
[02:22:23] <c>	 well when i turned on $wgUseFileCache our impressions dropped significantly, turning it back off to troubleshoot they trended way back up
[02:22:23] <Ursula>	 Usually ads are loaded with JavaScript, so they're not cached.
[02:22:45] <Ursula>	 What's counting the impressions?
[02:23:09] <Ursula>	 If you enable a cache layer, hits to some backends (so to speak) will go down.
[02:23:16] <Ursula>	 That's the point of the cache.
[02:23:35] <Ursula>	 So you'd expect to see a drop in hits in a general sense to some places.
[02:24:12] <Ursula>	 Maybe you're counting impressions with something from the HTML.
[02:24:19] <Ursula>	 Which would be kinda silly, but would explain it?
[02:24:24] <Ursula>	 !wg UseFileCache
[02:24:24] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseFileCache
[02:25:19] <c>	 well the ads are served from within wordpress (mediawiki is wrapped in a wordpress skin), so there isn't any within the content area at all
[02:25:35] <Ursula>	 How are you counting impressions?
[02:25:46] <Ursula>	 Also, that sounds a bit nightmarish.
[02:25:57] <Ursula>	 One unwieldy PHP application wasn't enough?
[02:26:59] <Ursula>	 If the ads JavaScript is like sending some timestamp from the HTML and the HTML is cached, you would see a drop in hits, for example.
[02:27:20] <Ursula>	 That'd be kind of dumb for this reason, but you're running a MediaWiki–WordPress hybrid, so maybe it's kinda dumb? :-)
[02:29:02] <c>	 the only thing shared is the theme. the MW skin hooks into wordpress' theme
[02:29:44] <Ursula>	 All right.
[02:30:37] <Ursula>	 What's the URL of the site you're discussing?
[02:30:51] <c>	 https://gamerescape.com
[02:40:44] <Ursula>	 c: You're already using some cache plugin thing.
[02:40:48] <Ursula>	 https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamergate&diff=359052&oldid=359051
[02:41:23] <Ursula>	 And doing some funky hashing thing for the widgets.
[02:41:25] <Ursula>	 Are those the ads?
[02:41:53] <c>	 the cache plugin is for wordpress content, not mediawiki articles
[02:42:13] <Ursula>	 It's probably caching the whole page?
[02:42:21] <c>	 the ads are controlled by a wordpress "advanced ads" plugin
[02:42:24] <c>	 and nope
[02:42:55] <Ursula>	 Nope to caching the whole page or nope to the widgets being the ads?
[02:43:43] <Ursula>	 It looks like there's some kind of widget hash that gets passed to GPT?
[02:43:54] <Ursula>	 So if you started caching that, things might get weird?
[02:44:51] <Ursula>	 Yeah, that's it.
[02:44:55] <Ursula>	 These widget things are your ads.
[02:44:57] <c>	 i dont believe the whole page is cached because the WP plugin is storing only the WP pages themselves in the WP directory
[02:45:04] <Ursula>	 Okay.
[02:45:32] <Ursula>	 Most cache layers, at basic level, preserve HTML, since generating HTML is the expensive part of a request.
[02:45:35] <Ursula>	 at a 
[02:45:46] <Ursula>	 You need to remove those IDs from the HTML.
[02:45:49] <Ursula>	 Or not cache that HTML.
[02:46:13] <Ursula>	 You can see what changes in the diff link I pasted above.
[02:47:20] <Ursula>	 https://wpadvancedads.com/caching-and-ads/
[02:50:07] <Ursula>	 https://wpadvancedads.com/manual/cache-busting/
[03:28:36] <okdana>	 lol @ diff title
[11:21:02] <vishnupriya55>	 Hello everyone,
[11:23:56] <vishnupriya55>	 I am Vishnupriya, a junior undergrad from India. I am new to the open source, I've just created the local host and I would like to start my contributions right away. How should i go about it? :)
[11:31:38] <andre__>	 Hi and welcome vishnupriya55! Please see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Developers
[11:49:39] <vishnupriya55>	 Thank you  @andre__ 
[12:52:31] <dadabidet>	 hello, can I retrieve my reading list through the API?
[12:59:07] <andre__>	 dadabidet, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReadingLists#API ?
[13:02:48] <dadabidet>	 andre__, are those the reading list that the android app uses?
[13:05:32] <dadabidet>	 I can only list 10, but I have many more
[13:06:15] <andre__>	 see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReadingLists#API
[13:06:17] <dadabidet>	 oh I can set a limit
[13:08:11] <dadabidet>	 rllimit is not recognized as a parameters
[13:08:14] <dadabidet>	 -s
[13:08:49] <dadabidet>	 sorry I just napped
[13:11:18] <dadabidet>	 if there is any android developer dev, it could be nice if the article database could be saved on the SD card instead :)
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[16:37:23] <Skizzerz>	 this is getting rather annoying...
[22:05:59] <c50a326>	 hey has anyone ever worked on a wiki-based governance system, something like a bunch of policies are written as wiki articles and then... well that's the complicated part...
[22:06:39] <c50a326>	 also can wiki articles be forked? I mean I guess you can just copypasta at worse
[22:06:57] <Reedy>	 You can export them
[22:08:10] <Skizzerz>	 a bunch of wikis have policy pages on-wiki
[22:08:49] <Skizzerz>	 although I think it's more common to discuss modifications on the talk page rather than creating a bunch of forked versions
[22:09:46] <Skizzerz>	 for making a fork, copy/paste is probably easiest, but you could mess around with preloading along with Extension:InputBox for a "fork this policy" button
[22:09:49] <c50a326>	 what's used for version controlling the articles? just some php or is git called?
[22:10:01] <Skizzerz>	 mediawiki has built-in versioning
[22:10:12] <Skizzerz>	 whenever you edit a wiki page, that edit is recorded in the history
[22:10:21] <Skizzerz>	 and you can view previous versions, diffs between them, revert, etc.
[22:10:25] <c50a326>	 SQL DB stuff?
[22:10:39] <Skizzerz>	 yeah
[22:10:57] <Skizzerz>	 on the backend it's the "revision" table (linked to "page" for article info and "text" for the actual content)
[22:12:02] <c50a326>	 do you know of any attempts to re-design/implement mediawiki with the same general functionalities but not as a SQL/PHP monolith?
[22:12:30] <Skizzerz>	 there are plenty of other wikis out there with different designs
[22:12:38] <Skizzerz>	 mediawiki itself isn't going to be rewritten
[22:13:14] <c50a326>	 ah these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software
[22:13:37] <Skizzerz>	 whatever the wiki software that github uses (don't recall the name offhand) might be better suited to your use since you mention forking?
[22:13:46] <Skizzerz>	 since that wiki is based on git behind-the-scenes
[22:13:54] <Skizzerz>	 but it lacks many of the features of mediawiki
[22:14:16] <c50a326>	 I've found this Gitit thing, written in Haskell! sounds interesting
[22:57:08] <N3X15>	 github just uses .md files in a git repo
[22:57:24] <N3X15>	 Not exactly the same as a full-fledged wiki
[23:28:25] <okdana>	 github's wiki is called gollum
[23:28:55] <okdana>	 all it really does is give you an editor and some links
[23:29:16] <okdana>	 i think you could make a proper wiki based on 'just .md files in a git repo', but gollum isn't it