[01:44:43] are MW connections to the DB interactive or not, or both? [04:56:35] c: Interactive in what sense? Probably not. [05:08:24] MW makes queries to the DB, then gets responses, and then gets more queries, in a sense that's interactive, but by that definition everything is interactive [12:52:30] Hey, any idea what could cause https://imgur.com/a/jtO1cBi? It's not an issue on my browser as it's happening to someone else too. It's on a wiki I use but I know the owner so asking if anyone knows how they could fix it [16:21:40] Ursula: interactive meaning the type of connection to the database. as to whether anything mediawiki uses to connect is an interactive connection including things like maintenance scripts, or if literally everything is non-interactive [18:13:51] iAdam1n: Are you getting the issue that regularly? This is pretty common when if it's a long edit session. [20:38:17] hi [20:40:19] i have a template where a certain csv provides info on teams to a template, when using {{team|}} shouldnt return any team name, what could be the issue? [20:45:58] biberao: {{{team|}}} [20:48:59] Reedy: i tried it [20:49:02] oh [20:49:04] 3 ? [20:49:08] but it will say "Not found" [20:49:16] cant i make it return empty? [20:49:28] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates#Parameters [20:50:32] like {{team|}} receives a specific team [20:50:49] if we assign {{team|blabla}} returns team blabla [20:51:08] if i do {{{team|}}} returns Not found [20:55:51] after all it works [20:55:52] hum [20:57:07] thanks [21:28:30] c: I'm not sure you understand what interactive means. :-) [21:28:35] Or maybe I don't! [21:29:02] Interactive to me basically means waiting for/requiring user input from the user during execution. [21:30:59] Ursula: technically a maintenance script is a form of user input [21:40:27] True. Maintenance scripts are a bit of a gray area. [21:40:45] I mostly think of interactive in terms of like bash shells. [21:57:46] I just drove myself crazy for quite some time trying to figure out why some external images loaded and not others until I rediscovered my external images whitelist [21:57:59] at least an hour [22:02:54] firespeaker: Perhaps we should output a warning message somewhere. [22:03:14] Or add those pages to a maintenance category like "pages with unwhitelisted external images" or something. [22:03:20] Ursula: yeah, I was checking my logs and pulling my hair out :-P [22:03:40] Ursula: I think a warning message in the logs would be a minimum [22:04:02] Seems reasonable to me. You're welcome to file a ticket at https://bugs.mediawiki.org [22:04:07] Or I can if you don't have an account/don't want to. [22:04:35] oauth ftw [22:04:38] I'll do that :) [22:05:06] Cool. [22:05:22] It'll make me feel that my hour was productive in some way :) [22:12:31] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206962 [22:13:03] I hope there's enough context for it to be clear enough [22:14:31] A wild Reedy appears. [22:14:45] Thanks for filing that! [22:15:56] ooh, that received a certain amount of attention pretty quickly [22:16:00] \o/ FOSS [22:16:28] Just lurkers in here, heh. [22:16:47] well the phabricator looks active at least [22:31:42] Other than wait_timeout to enforce it, how does MediaWiki core decide when to close a sleeping connection? With as high-use of a database as we have, we do not need connections to be loitering after they do what they need to do. [22:54:11] c: You should usually only see connections being made during a Web request? [22:54:29] And then they should terminate when the request terminates, AFAIK. [22:54:52] Why is your database high-use? [22:55:02] Is there lots of editing? [22:55:16] DPL [22:55:33] Hm. [23:55:29] most people disappear after I mention DPL :D [23:56:12] Lol [23:56:20] it is scary [23:56:42] i was sort of the maintainer of the wikimedia variant