[02:16:07] <mtift>	 We're having problems translating content. We have pages such as https://userbase.tidalcycles.org/index.php/Basic_Patterns (in English) and corresponding pages such as https://userbase.tidalcycles.org/index.php/Basic_Patterns/fr, but they don't seem to be linked. When we change our default language the page doesn't change. Any ideas why?
[02:43:08] <legoktm>	 mtift: you need to add <languages/> to the top of the english version for it to link to other versious
[02:43:10] <legoktm>	 versions*
[02:43:28] <legoktm>	 and then you need to make links using Special:MyLanguage/<page> I think, for it to send you to the correct page
[02:44:00] <mtift>	 @legoktm: oh, I thought it needed to be <translate>
[02:44:57] <legoktm>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example#About_links explains the Special:MyLanguage part
[02:45:02] <legoktm>	 kind of
[02:46:58] <mtift>	 @legoktm: Thanks. Does there need to be anything else with the `<languages/>` on the English version or is that all that is needed?
[02:47:21] <legoktm>	 I think that should be it
[02:47:24] <legoktm>	 try it and see? :)
[02:47:52] * mtift tries that
[02:55:27] <mtift>	 @legoktm: That seems to work! Except now my link shows up as "Special:MyLanguage/Basic Patterns", which works but looks a bit weird: https://userbase.tidalcycles.org/index.php/Tidal_workshop_worksheet
[02:55:43] <legoktm>	 you can pipe it
[02:55:50] <legoktm>	 [[Special:MyLanguage/Foo|Foo]]
[02:55:56] <legoktm>	 I think most wiki use a template for that
[02:56:25] <mtift>	 Gotcha. Sorry, I'm totally new to mediawiki
[02:56:36] <legoktm>	 create Template:ll with "[[Special:MyLanguage/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] "
[02:56:42] <legoktm>	 and then you can use {{ll|Foo}}
[02:58:42] <mtift>	 Where do I "create Template:ll"?
[02:59:53] <mtift>	 Like this I bet: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates
[03:04:17] <legoktm>	 mtift: just create a page named that
[03:08:43] <mtift>	 I don't think I did that correctly: https://userbase.tidalcycles.org/index.php/Template:Ll
[03:30:47] <legoktm>	 mtift: it looks correct to me
[03:30:51] <legoktm>	 did you try using it?
[03:31:11] <legoktm>	 https://userbase.tidalcycles.org/index.php?title=Tidal_workshop_worksheet&type=revision&diff=642&oldid=641 nice :))
[03:32:01] <mtift>	 @legoktm: Yeah, it seems to be working now. I realized I needed to use curly brackets with `{{ll|page}}
[03:32:13] <legoktm>	 yeah, templates use that syntax
[03:32:34] <mtift>	 it seems a bit odd, but the docs seem to recommend that approach
[03:32:53] <mtift>	 @legoktm: Thank you very much for your help!
[03:33:00] <legoktm>	 you're welcome :)
[12:22:54] <friendly1uy>	 hi there!
[12:23:23] <friendly1uy>	 i`ve switched php on my webserver from 5 to 7, now my mediawiki wont work any more
[12:23:59] <friendly1uy>	 i made sure the version i am using: 1.28.0 is compatible with php 7, however... seems like there are some problems
[12:24:38] <friendly1uy>	 when i try to open it i get: Fatal exception of type InvalidArgumentException together with a hash and a timestamp
[12:25:19] <friendly1uy>	 the apache log shows: "PHP Fatal error:  require_once(): Failed opening required '/LocalisationUpdate/LocalisationUpdate.php' 
[12:25:22] <friendly1uy>	 (include_path='/var/www/wiki:/var/www/wiki/includes:/var/www/wiki/languages:/var/www/wiki/vendor/pear/pear_exception:/var/www/wiki/vendor/pear/console_getopt:/var/www/wiki/vendor/pear/pear-core-minimal/src:/var/www/wiki/vendor/pear/mail_mime:/var/www/wiki/vendor/pear/mail_mime-decode:/var/www/wiki/vendor/pear/net_socket:/var/www/wiki/vendor/pear/net_smtp:/var/www/wiki/vendor/pear/mail:.:/usr/share/p
[12:25:28] <friendly1uy>	 hp') in /var/www/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 136"
[12:25:31] <friendly1uy>	 please advice how to fix this
[12:31:17] <friendly1uy>	 i guess most here are still asleep
[12:38:19] <bawolff>	 Well guess i was too slow
[12:43:43] <friendly1uy>	 interesting, i`ve tested all paths in the error msg
[12:43:53] <friendly1uy>	 they all exist, EXCEPT: /usr/share/php
[12:44:20] <bawolff>	 Hi friendly1uy 
[12:44:32] <friendly1uy>	 but when i dug through the LocalSettings.php, i couldnt find a reference to that file.
[12:44:33] <bawolff>	 We're still around this time of day, sometimes, just slower to respond :)
[12:44:41] <friendly1uy>	 no problem at all :)
[12:44:51] <bawolff>	 so
[12:44:53] <friendly1uy>	 you never know the timezone ;)
[12:44:53] <bawolff>	 [12:25]	friendly1uy	the apache log shows: "PHP Fatal error:  require_once(): Failed opening required '/LocalisationUpdate/LocalisationUpdate.php
[12:45:05] <bawolff>	 The weird thing is the leading /
[12:45:31] <bawolff>	 Which would mean root directory, which would be rather wrong
[12:46:13] <bawolff>	 So I guess, my first question would be, what's on line 136 of your LocalSettings.php
[12:46:24] <friendly1uy>	 just had a look where the file is: "/var/www/wiki/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/LocalisationUpdate.php"
[12:46:55] <friendly1uy>	 136 is a empty linee
[12:46:59] <bawolff>	 yeah, that's the normal location
[12:47:29] <bawolff>	 You're sure you don't have multiple LocalSettings.php or anything like that?
[12:47:53] <friendly1uy>	 let me check... but not to my knowledge
[12:48:22] <bawolff>	 My first assumption with that error message, would be a require_once line with a typo, and differing include_path config between different versions of php caused it to accidentally work in the old php version
[12:48:45] <friendly1uy>	 nope. only one... but there is a NoLocalSettings inside includes
[12:48:56] <friendly1uy>	 dir
[12:48:58] <bawolff>	 unless possibly, maybe that error message is just something from a long time ago
[12:49:05] <bawolff>	 yeah, NoLocalSettings.php is a normal file
[12:49:29] <bawolff>	 Maybe better to concentrate on the: [12:24]	friendly1uy	when i try to open it i get: Fatal exception of type InvalidArgumentException together with a hash and a timestamp
[12:49:30] <bawolff>	 error
[12:49:41] <bawolff>	 Can you set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; in LocalSettings.php
[12:49:47] <bawolff>	 that should give a more detailed error message
[12:49:53] <friendly1uy>	 i dont get it... its working again
[12:50:00] <friendly1uy>	 but.. i didnt change anything so far
[12:50:11] <bawolff>	 Possibly that error means you have an old version of an extension, that isn't php7 compatible
[12:50:21] <friendly1uy>	 the error msg has a timestamp 20 minutes ago
[12:50:26] <bawolff>	 hmm
[12:50:35] <friendly1uy>	 weird
[12:50:56] <bawolff>	 Could be some sort of thing not triggered on every request
[12:51:08] <friendly1uy>	 all i did so far was reading log files and checking directories
[12:51:49] <friendly1uy>	 and of course rebooting apache a couple of times ;)
[12:52:06] <friendly1uy>	 first thing if something does not work: reboot the damn thing ;)
[12:52:55] <friendly1uy>	 nice
[12:53:02] <friendly1uy>	 now i can continue to update mediawiki :)
[12:53:54] <friendly1uy>	 aaaah, nope :)
[12:54:00] <friendly1uy>	 incompatible with my mysql version
[12:54:21] <friendly1uy>	 and i cant update the mysql server because some other app isnt compatible with newer versions
[12:55:34] <friendly1uy>	 maybe its time to move all but this databases of the current mysql and run 2 from now on. but it kind of sucks to run multiple sql servers at home
[12:55:39] <bawolff>	 How old is your mysql version?
[12:55:52] <bawolff>	 I think we support pretty old versions
[12:56:13] <friendly1uy>	 it think this one possibly saw linus grow up :) :)
[12:56:28] <friendly1uy>	 5.5.62
[12:56:57] <friendly1uy>	 5.5.8 is required
[12:57:03] <friendly1uy>	 da da daaa ;)
[12:57:17] <bawolff>	 huh
[12:57:24] <bawolff>	 I'm assuming.62 is newer than .8
[12:58:43] <bawolff>	 so yeah, that's a bug in mediaiwki
[13:00:36] <bawolff>	 I've filed a bug for that https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209214
[13:00:38] <friendly1uy>	 :)
[13:01:21] <friendly1uy>	 erm. maybe i expressed myself wrong
[13:01:55] <friendly1uy>	 sorry. i had a look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Compatibility/en
[13:02:17] <friendly1uy>	 and made the mistake in only comparing the 8 to the 6
[13:02:20] <friendly1uy>	 so thats my fault
[13:02:31] <friendly1uy>	 *shameonme*
[13:03:12] <bawolff>	 Ah, so mediawiki itself isn't complaining
[13:03:51] <friendly1uy>	 nope
[13:04:34] <friendly1uy>	 i was doing multiple things at the same time aaaand... didnt think right :)
[13:04:41] <friendly1uy>	 i am sorry
[13:08:55] <bawolff>	 no worries
[13:10:20] <friendly1uy>	 thanks for your help anyway
[13:10:22] <friendly1uy>	 very kind!
[13:23:22] <bawolff>	 Hey davidwbarratt. I was just playing with https://tools.wmflabs.org/sql-optimizer - pretty cool. I like how it gives people tips
[13:23:56] <davidwbarratt>	 bawolff ha. thanks. musikanimal did all that, I just helped. :)
[13:25:05] <bawolff>	 I have some other comments in the backlog of #wikimedia-cloud . I might make a pull request at some point to add more, if I can come up with any
[13:25:21] <davidwbarratt>	 bawolff cool! thanks!
[13:25:23] <bawolff>	 It'd be cool to view the slow query log of tool labs, to see what mistakes people are actually making in pracitse
[13:27:14] <davidwbarratt>	 oh that would be cool
[15:42:52] <biberao>	 Hi, im either getting dumber by the day but in which context could i define the height for this to work "{{#if:{{{height|}}}|The height is {{{height|}}}.|No height entered.}}"
[15:42:55] <biberao>	 ?
[16:04:25] <bawolff>	 !templates
[16:04:25] <wm-bot>	 For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. See also: !templateproblems , !wptemplates
[16:05:16] <bawolff>	 the context would be {{myTemplateName|height=100}}
[16:05:39] <bawolff>	 Assuming that snippet is on template:myTemplateName
[16:16:39] <biberao>	 he left i was going to say i did fix it
[16:16:42] <biberao>	 and understood it