[06:00:48] <Seddon>	 quiddity: I'm working on a revamp of the blackskin gadget
[06:01:05] <Seddon>	 I find the green hugely straining
[06:01:43] <Seddon>	 quiddity: And I know this is a conversation from two days ago in here :P
[06:03:06] <quiddity>	 Seddon, or (and) just vote for https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Reading/Accessibility_settings_for_everyone ;-)
[06:03:58] <Seddon>	 quiddity: it would be feasible if the community gave up all rights to define styling themselves :P
[06:04:55] <quiddity>	 that's not what it's proposing? o.O
[10:14:56] <kindergarten>	 Hey all
[10:15:47] <kindergarten>	 Is it possible to use the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication with MW 1.31.1 and PHP70-ldap ? 
[10:27:29] <andre__>	 Have you tried? Did it work? Or not? Or why do you ask?
[10:30:27] <kindergarten>	 I am asking because it says it needs php53-ldap and that the extension is not fully updated
[10:35:30] <kindergarten>	 I tryed https://github.com/shanept/mediawiki-LdapAuth so far but I wont get any futher the binding the server and then getting an Password wrong, the sad thing is the ldapserver is not mine and they wont give me the logs
[11:54:59] <daegontaven>	 does anybody here know why adding this line https://github.com/Unethical/VectorDiscord/blob/css/skin.json#L100 does not change the css for .errorbox on my website?
[11:57:17] <daegontaven>	 this is what i should be seeing https://github.com/Unethical/VectorDiscord/blob/d6ea3578e159bac784197ebd49bd88f5360fb284/skinStyles/mediawiki.legacy.shared.less#L10
[11:57:57] <daegontaven>	 but i'm still seeing the default https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/fe94275c8fcfc248a5eae857dde7c5772d993ab5/resources/src/mediawiki.legacy/shared.css#L399
[11:58:36] <daegontaven>	 am i doing something wrong? https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/e1e44592aac39d8dfd7d7052fd9f75af9c5efb0d/resources/Resources.php#L2357
[11:59:55] <daegontaven>	 here's a screenshot https://screenshots.firefox.com/LsQBPWE3mSpsQl9K/discordwiki.org => the color of that box should be #000
[12:47:19] <biberao>	 what does it mean {{:Template}}?
[12:48:42] <biberao>	 could it be a namespace?
[12:48:43] <biberao>	 hum
[13:22:34] <andre__>	 daegontaven: what do your web browser's developer tools show? Any over CSS overwriting it?
[14:53:44] <phiofx>	 I am wondering whether there are any opensource projects that help embed mediawiki search into desktops or websites (as widgets). I cold only find one for Mac OS http://wikiwidget.github.io/
[14:56:41] <andre__>	 <frame> in the HTML standard? :P
[15:04:51] <phiofx>	 andre__: that seems ok as a start (for websites) but I guess helping along with formating the response etc would make it more attractive (Could also imagine a wordpress widget plugin etc.)
[17:04:59] <black_13>	 how do you import the wiktionary sql and xml data into a dabase
[17:33:15] <andre__>	 black_13: you import a database dump like any other database dump?
[17:33:20] <andre__>	 what is "sql importing"?
[17:33:58] <black_13>	 basically what you just said
[17:34:27] <black_13>	 what about the xml files that are part of the wiktionary dumps?
[17:34:48] <black_13>	 i had imported all the sql files
[17:34:56] <black_13>	 but dont see any content
[17:35:06] <andre__>	 what are "sql files"? where to find "sql files"?
[17:35:51] <SQL>	 black_13: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps
[17:36:32] <SQL>	 There's also https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps/Tools_for_importing
[17:40:36] <black_13>	 wiktionary is nothing more that wikimedia
[17:40:40] <black_13>	 correct
[17:43:55] <andre__>	 black_13, ???
[17:44:55] <black_13>	 https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Hauptseite this is a wikimedia application
[17:45:03] <black_13>	 ?
[17:46:24] <andre__>	 black_13, what is a "wikimedia application"?
[17:46:27] <andre__>	 Wiktionary.org is a Wikimedia website.
[17:46:46] <black_13>	 a web application
[17:47:04] <andre__>	 no.
[17:47:16] <andre__>	 It is not a web application.
[17:47:50] <andre__>	 Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application to see what a web application is instead.
[17:53:16] <black_13>	 then wiktionary is merely a website  
[17:53:46] <black_13>	 but it uses the wikimedia php and mysql database
[18:06:59] <andre__>	 black_13: The MediaWiki software is written in PHP and supports/uses the MySQL/MariaDB database, correct.
[18:13:18] <black_13>	 that explains something like wikipedia but is wiktionary the same ?
[18:14:44] <andre__>	 black_13: I did not say Wikipedia but MediaWiki.
[18:14:55] <andre__>	 All Wikimedia websites run MediaWiki.
[18:15:20] <andre__>	 Also see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Differences_between_Wikipedia,_Wikimedia,_MediaWiki,_and_wiki for more info
[21:52:40] <kreyren>	 Is there any LocalSettings.php sample? (https://github.com/RXT067/mediawiki/edit/master/RXT067/INSTALLATION_PROCESS.md)
[21:53:20] <Platonides>	 kreyren: the mediawiki install will provide you a default one
[21:53:38] <kreyren>	 it didn't (using mirror from master) suspect bug
[21:53:54] <Platonides>	 what happened?
[21:54:05] <kreyren>	 There is installation process https://github.com/RXT067/mediawiki/edit/master/RXT067/INSTALLATION_PROCESS.md
[21:54:42] <Platonides>	 kreyren: that url requires logging into github
[21:54:50] <Platonides>	 what would be the url for showing the content?
[21:54:57] <kreyren>	 i see.. wait 
[21:55:27] <Platonides>	 oh, https://github.com/RXT067/mediawiki/blob/master/RXT067/INSTALLATION_PROCESS.md
[21:55:43] <kreyren>	 https://pastebin.com/aQsgUwzP
[21:56:23] <kreyren>	 also it works on my side without github login o.o
[21:57:07] <Platonides>	 you need to follow the "set up the wiki" link
[21:57:14] <Platonides>	 there you go to the installer
[21:57:22] <Platonides>	 which will end up providing you a LocalSettings.php
[21:57:32] <Platonides>	 you should fix those session errors, though
[21:57:49] <kreyren>	 http://wiki.rixotstudio.cz/ it outputs more errors requiring localsettings.php it seems
[21:58:30] <kreyren>	 any way i can get user.php and other missing files?
[21:58:41] <kreyren>	 or should i take them from stable?
[21:58:53] <kreyren>	 (if present)
[21:59:03] <Platonides>	 Call to a member function getIP() on null in User.php:2481... :/
[21:59:11] <Platonides>	 user.php is not missing
[21:59:15] <kreyren>	 http://wiki-test.rixotstudio.cz/ also seems that stable has same issue
[21:59:32] <kreyren>	 ah checking
[22:00:32] <Platonides>	 line 2481 is $this->mName = IP::sanitizeIP( $this->getRequest()->getIP() );
[22:00:39] <Platonides>	 so getRequest() is returning nulll
[22:00:53] <kreyren>	 like 2481 in user.php has `$this->mName = IP::sanitizeIP( $this->`
[22:01:03] <Platonides>	 which means $wgRequest is null
[22:01:03] <kreyren>	 sanitizeIP should be filled with IP of the server of?
[22:01:09] <kreyren>	 meaning?
[22:01:20] <Platonides>	 I would start fixing the session errors
[22:01:27] <Platonides>	 as the rest may be a consequence of that
[22:01:54] <kreyren>	 session errors meaning erros on http://wiki.rixotstudio.cz/subdom/wiki/mw-config/index.php ?
[22:03:54] <Platonides>	 I was meaning those in http://wiki.rixotstudio.cz/subdom/wiki/
[22:04:12] <Platonides>	 seems php is configured to store sessions on /data/web/virtuals/161195/virtual/session/
[22:04:17] <Platonides>	 but that folder doesn't exist
[22:04:36] <Platonides>	 by the way, which urls do you want?
[22:04:52] <kreyren>	 wiki.rixot... ideally (mirror from master)
[22:05:28] <Platonides>	 I mean, the articles should be at http://wiki.rixotstudio.cz/subdom/wiki/index.php?title=My_article ?
[22:05:29] <kreyren>	 so it may be an issue with how hosting uploads files on cloud.. checking
[22:05:39] <Platonides>	 http://wiki.rixotstudio.cz/subdom/wiki/My_article ?
[22:05:44] <kreyren>	 articles should be on wiki.rixotstudio.cz/Article
[22:06:23] <Platonides>	 hmm
[22:06:37] <Platonides>	 you can do that, but there may be conflicts
[22:06:38] <kreyren>	 my access is to /www/subdom/wiki/includes/user so it seems that `/data/web/virtuals/161195/virtual/` is prior to my access.
[22:06:52] <kreyren>	 What do you recommend then?
[22:07:06] <kreyren>	 fixing those conflicts?
[22:07:11] <Platonides>	 I mean
[22:07:19] <Platonides>	 what about eg. robots.txt or favicon.ico
[22:07:31] <kreyren>	 eh?
[22:07:50] <Platonides>	 http://wiki.rixotstudio.cz/robots.txt
[22:08:06] <Platonides>	 should that be handled by the wiki?
[22:08:17] <Platonides>	 see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory
[22:08:34] <kreyren>	 wasn't decided to my knowledge should be modular to change on the go
[22:08:42] <kreyren>	 checking url
[22:09:02] <Platonides>	 using a virtual subfolder like /wiki/ avoids those traps
[22:09:14] <Platonides>	 but it could be done
[22:09:31] <Platonides>	 well, first we need to have mediawiki working :P
[22:09:56] <Platonides>	 can you edit php.ini ?
[22:11:12] <kreyren>	 ./www/subdom/wiki/includes/user is has subfolder `/wiki/`
[22:11:31] <kreyren>	 checking
[22:13:06] <kreyren>	 found php.ini in /etc/php/cli-php7.2/php.ini
[22:13:30] <kreyren>	 note that i'm doing changes from local machine that will be then uploaded on server
[22:13:31] <Platonides>	 that's for cli
[22:13:51] <Platonides>	 there should be another folder in /etc/php/
[22:14:09] <Platonides>	 as for wiki I called that virtual because it doesn't really exist in the filesystem
[22:14:20] <kreyren>	 locate php.ini --  /etc/php/cli-php7.2/php.ini ..  /usr/share/doc/php-7.2.10/php.ini-development.bz2 ..  /usr/share/doc/php-7.2.10/php.ini-production.bz2
[22:14:27] <Platonides>	 ie. in wikipedia you have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARTICLE
[22:14:41] <Platonides>	 but mediawiki itself is installed into http://en.wikipedia.org/w/
[22:15:19] <Platonides>	 (well, actually, wikipedia setup is a bit more complex than the typical user :P)
[22:15:33] <Platonides>	 ls -l /etc/php/
[22:15:35] <kreyren>	 i dont understand http://en.wikipedia.org/w/ ?
[22:15:45] <kreyren>	 drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40 Nov 21 21:47 cli-php7.2
[22:16:24] <Platonides>	 the index.php at the root of mediawiki setup is at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php
[22:16:28] <kreyren>	 found php.ini in /etc/php/cli-php7.2/
[22:16:36] <Platonides>	 and then apache config makes articles at /wiki/
[22:16:42] <Platonides>	 what server do you use?
[22:16:56] <kreyren>	 hosting from wedos with php 7.1
[22:17:04] <kreyren>	 its running on debian afaik
[22:17:06] <Platonides>	 apache
[22:17:10] <kreyren>	 checking
[22:17:26] <kreyren>	 on server or local?
[22:17:37] <Platonides>	 on the server where you want to run it :)
[22:17:41] <Platonides>	 much easier
[22:17:59] <Platonides>	 create a .php file there containing just <?php phpinfo();
[22:18:10] <Platonides>	 that will show the general php configuration
[22:18:35] <kreyren>	  www-servers/apache not installed, emerging
[22:19:04] <kreyren>	 checking hosting apache 
[22:19:05] <Platonides>	 there *must* be a web server
[22:19:13] <Platonides>	 and it identified as apache
[22:20:00] <kreyren>	 ok crating .php file
[22:22:25] <kreyren>	 http://wiki.rixotstudio.cz/version_check.php
[22:24:29] <Platonides>	 so it's using /data/web/php/php70/php.ini 
[22:24:38] <kreyren>	 EDIT: it has php 7.0
[22:24:40] <kreyren>	 sorry
[22:25:23] <kreyren>	 want to update on 7.1 cant it cause more issues now?
[22:25:41] <Platonides>	 running as fast-cgi
[22:25:56] <Platonides>	 no, feel free to update to 7.1
[22:27:07] <kreyren>	 hosting updated php for 30 minutes. edit php70/php.ini and then copypaste it on php71 ?
[22:27:35] <kreyren>	 also it seems that i dont have access to /data/web/php/php70
[22:27:35] <Platonides>	 what?
[22:27:48] <kreyren>	 My hosting is updating php version for 30 minutes
[22:28:08] <kreyren>	 checking hosting gui for php.ini
[22:28:22] <kreyren>	 php.ini has gui in hosting
[22:28:54] <kreyren>	 https://imgur.com/a/RYzQO7W SS
[22:29:54] <kreyren>	 is it sufficient?
[22:30:06] <kreyren>	 can request more variables  on demand probably..
[22:30:16] <kreyren>	 or access to php.ini on demand 
[22:31:23] <kreyren>	 sorry for typo
[22:36:24] <kreyren>	 you there?
[22:52:44] <Platonides>	 hmm
[22:54:00] <Platonides>	 can you edit session.save_path there ?
[23:05:57] <kreyren>	 no i cant
[23:15:14] <kreyren>	 sent a request to a hosting. Thanks for provided info ^^
[23:22:06] <Platonides>	 maybe they should simply create that folder
[23:22:13] <Platonides>	 it looks like a php misconfiguration
[23:22:18] <Platonides>	 good luck
[23:39:45] <biberao>	 hi
[23:39:46] <biberao>	 i have ths
[23:39:58] <biberao>	 background-image: url ("")
[23:40:07] <biberao>	 is it possible to hover that image and change to another?
[23:40:30] <Platonides>	 that's a background
[23:40:34] <Platonides>	 you would hover the element
[23:40:37] <Platonides>	 but yes
[23:40:38] <biberao>	 yes
[23:40:39] <Platonides>	 use :hover
[23:40:46] <Platonides>	 and put a different background-image
[23:40:54] <biberao>	 i defined a class
[23:40:59] <black_13>	 is wiktionary wikimedia?
[23:41:00] <biberao>	 so i use .class hover
[23:41:01] <biberao>	 ?
[23:41:10] <Platonides>	 no,
[23:41:20] <Platonides>	 .class:hover { background-image: ... }
[23:41:38] <biberao>	 ah
[23:41:40] <biberao>	 ok thanks
[23:41:41] <biberao>	 will check
[23:42:47] <black_13>	 .
[23:47:27] <biberao>	 thanks