[00:18:12] <niso>	 hi, general page speed question, im trying to reduce my pages loading speed at the wiki, ive saw google webp format for pictures, anyone have anything that auto cast pictures to webp?
[00:18:28] <niso>	 or any other way to reduce the page speed?
[00:24:37] <andre__>	 niso: why would someone want to reduce speed?
[00:24:54] <teward>	 andre__: i think they mean reduce the time for the page to load
[00:25:02] <teward>	 not the 'speed'
[00:25:23] <teward>	 niso: reducing the loading speed means it takes *longer* to load which is the opposite of what you probably want to do.
[00:25:27] <niso>	 yea, sry for my english. ive meant load the page loading time by remove block dependencies, heavy images and so on
[00:44:16] <niso_>	 there is anyone here who may look and advice about debuglog? :)
[00:50:28] <andre__>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PerformanceInspector
[00:50:28] <andre__>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Performance_guidelines
[00:52:29] <niso_>	 ive try the first extension (cant see anything), ill try to extract something from the guidelines , ty
[01:03:23] <mataniko>	 niso_: are images really the bottleneck for you?
[01:03:36] <mataniko>	 do you have a large amount of images on the page? are they huge?
[01:04:29] <niso_>	 im trying to figure out ^_^, im not sure that the main problem, but we use png's as i remember that does not compressed.
[01:05:05] <mataniko>	 PNG is already a lossy compressed format
[01:05:27] <mataniko>	 is there a URL you can share?
[01:05:56] <mataniko>	 every modern browser has a set of tools to profile page load
[01:06:18] <mataniko>	 google also has web.dev but that might be information overload
[01:06:56] <niso_>	 about the url, sure: http://www.maccabipedia.co.il/1991/92
[01:07:33] <niso_>	 im using devtools for chrome and google pagespeed insight (for general tips)
[01:08:39] <mataniko>	 i'll PM you, this isn't really mediawiki related
[01:08:54] <mataniko>	 actually might be helpful
[01:09:08] <mataniko>	 your biggest culprit from a quick glance is just server response time
[01:09:50] <mataniko>	 everything served from maccabipedia is taking 800ms to 1700ms to load
[01:09:58] <mataniko>	 just the basic response from the server
[01:11:10] <mataniko>	 biggest one took about 150ms to connect, 1500ms to respond and 1 ms to download
[01:11:34] <mataniko>	 even if you reduce picture size, you're still waiting on your HTTP server just replying
[01:11:59] <mataniko>	 it could be any number of things. I don't think your at such a scale that mediawiki is the issue
[01:12:08] <mataniko>	 maybe its your PHP config, or DB config
[01:12:27] <mataniko>	 or nginx (doubt it)
[01:13:15] <niso_>	 ill check those things, ty
[01:13:28] <mataniko>	 behatzlacha 
[01:23:20] <biberao>	 hi is it possible to have like have template {{name|param={{anothertemplate|bleh|bloh|bluh}}
[01:23:24] <biberao>	 ?
[01:37:02] <niso_>	 you mean nested template?
[01:38:48] <revansx[m]>	 is it possible to view video (mp4) files in mediawiki gallery tags?
[01:38:48] <revansx[m]>	 (i.e. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Gallery_syntax)
[01:43:09] <revansx[m]>	 or (with MW 1.30) do still need to use an extension for playing uploaded mp3 and mp4 files?
[01:43:10] <revansx[m]>	 (and if so, what is the current recommended extension? There seems to be many)
[01:45:32] <revansx[m]>	 how does WMF handle embeded playback of local video files?
[01:46:31] <andre__>	 I'd think of the TimedMediaHandler extension.
[01:46:37] <legoktm>	 revansx[m]: you're looking for the TimedMediaHandler extension
[01:48:01] <revansx[m]>	 excellent. got it. thanks! .. oh.. database changes.. I'll need to get my server imaged before I install this. But thank you!
[01:50:52] <revansx[m]>	 and so just to confirm.. this would allow the <gallery> tag to produce video playback thumbnails.. yes?
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[02:44:32] <legoktm>	 revansx[m]: yes, it would
[02:53:38] <revansx[m]>	 Roger that. Thank you.
[03:09:36] <Sveta>	 at a large wiki, it's hard for me to keep track of new pages, new users etc. is there some software that can make collaboration easier? it could list pages which I bookmarked, show newly created pages, for each page show author and creation time and last edit time and who has edited and who has 'talked' about it and what 'issues' the page is tagged with (tracked as categories)
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[12:16:50] <biberao>	 hi
[12:30:14] <andre__>	 hi biberao 
[12:32:17] <biberao>	 do you know if its possible to do this {{infobox|param={{template|anothertemplate=param|secondparam}}}}
[12:32:21] <biberao>	 ?
[15:33:20] <biberao>	 bawolff: hi
[15:33:27] <biberao>	 do you know if its possible to do this
[15:33:38] <biberao>	 {{infobox|param={{template|anothertemplate=param|secondparam}}}}
[15:34:35] <bawolff>	 It is indeed possible to type that....
[15:34:55] <biberao>	 sorry?
[15:35:27] <bawolff>	 You didn't specify what you are trying to accomplish
[15:35:48] <biberao>	 ok i have an infobox template
[15:35:56] <bawolff>	 So all i can say, is that is indeed possible to type. Whether it does what you want depends on what you are trying to do
[15:36:40] <biberao>	 theres a parameter called history that calls a template which has a cargo assigned where it throws a {{{team|}}}
[15:36:52] <biberao>	 that team is also a template that has a name and image assigned
[15:37:02] <biberao>	 so i needed that team|blah|bleh worked
[16:29:59] <bawolff>	 I wonder why we are percent encoding hostnames in the externallinks table
[16:30:05] <bawolff>	 That seems wrong in several ways
[17:08:14] <bawolff>	 anomie: So I submitted https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/core/+/475788 but I'm not sure if normalizing in this direction makes sense with your changes to LinkFilter. On the other hand normalizing in this direction is closer to what the code is currently doing
[17:09:15] <anomie>	 bawolff: I'll try to review it this afternoon
[17:10:27] <bawolff>	 No rush, I'm only working on it because some people were snarky on VPT
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