[01:40:49] <biberao>	 i moved a wiki from one folder to the other
[01:41:02] <biberao>	 and $wgDBservers stopped working
[01:41:17] <biberao>	 same details for user/password dbname
[01:41:23] <biberao>	 what could be the issue?
[01:41:43] <p858snake|L>	 what makes you think its wgDBservers that stoped working?
[01:41:57] <biberao>	 it says database connection refused
[01:42:32] <p858snake|L>	 if you move it back to the original folder, does it start working again?
[01:43:09] <biberao>	 yes
[01:43:33] <biberao>	 loadbalancer.php connection refused
[01:45:53] <biberao>	 where do i see that info?
[01:49:09] <biberao>	 please?
[02:25:21] <WMDSbot>	 Taven @daegontaven posted in Any success for Mediawiki-Vagrant on GCP instances? - https://discourse-mediawiki.wmflabs.org/t/any-success-for-mediawiki-vagrant-on-gcp-instances/1065/1
[02:35:09] <biberao>	 for the $wgDBservers to work
[02:35:26] <biberao>	 shouldnt each localsettings contain multiple entrances?
[02:40:29] <biberao>	 and it gives me a my_wiki which doesnt exist
[02:44:04] <biberao>	 any ideas please?
[03:07:14] <daegontaven>	 biberao: what do you mean by "each localsettings"?
[03:08:35] <biberao>	 theres multiple wikis
[03:08:40] <biberao>	 with those arrays
[03:08:48] <biberao>	 moving them to other places it doesnt work
[03:09:53] <daegontaven>	 biberao: they are not multiple wikis in example if you mean
[03:10:06] <daegontaven>	 "wikidb" is a single database
[03:10:07] <biberao>	 i know
[03:10:09] <biberao>	 which is weird
[03:10:17] <daegontaven>	 why is it weird?
[03:10:19] <biberao>	 i dont know how it works
[03:10:29] <daegontaven>	 how many wikis do you have?
[03:10:33] <biberao>	 it has a $wgDBservers
[03:10:40] <biberao>	 and each wiki has its own db
[03:11:14] <daegontaven>	 how many wikis do you have?
[03:11:24] <daegontaven>	 'dbname' => "wikidb" is the same in each array
[03:12:05] <biberao>	 but why doesnt work moving the wiki to another folder?
[03:12:27] <daegontaven>	 can a little bit more clear with what your exact issue is?
[03:12:33] <biberao>	 thats it
[03:12:43] <biberao>	 with that wgDBservers moving outside another folder
[03:12:46] <biberao>	 stops working
[03:12:53] <biberao>	 it says loadbalancer error
[03:12:56] <daegontaven>	 moving outside another folder?
[03:13:02] <daegontaven>	 what are you moving and why?
[03:13:13] <biberao>	 i need to change structure
[03:13:43] <daegontaven>	 i need a little bit more data than that https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/66378/354521
[03:14:08] <biberao>	 i dont know how to explain more
[03:14:27] <daegontaven>	 what do you mean by structure?
[03:14:34] <biberao>	 and also with a localsettings.php present when doing "php maintenance/update.php" requires me to specify the .php
[03:14:46] <biberao>	 and also with a localsettings.php present when doing "php maintenance/update.php" requires me to specify the localsettings.php
[03:14:51] <biberao>	 daegontaven: just changing the folder
[03:14:57] <biberao>	 move folder a to folder b
[03:14:59] <biberao>	 thats all
[03:15:07] <daegontaven>	 you can't do that?
[03:15:13] <biberao>	 why?
[03:15:24] <daegontaven>	 what breaks when you move a folder?
[03:15:31] <biberao>	 what i told you
[03:15:36] <daegontaven>	 why are you moving folders to begin with
[03:15:40] <biberao>	 stops working with wgDBservers
[03:15:59] <biberao>	 and only works with $wgDBserver
[03:16:51] <daegontaven>	 this is not specific at all..how would i know what stops working..folders are used throughout mediawiki for everything..simply saying folders stop working isn't specific
[03:17:59] <daegontaven>	 anyways, did you check your apache or nginx config to see if you updated paths?
[03:18:06] <biberao>	 yes
[03:18:10] <biberao>	 i did update paths
[03:18:17] <biberao>	 just doesnt work with wgdbservers
[03:18:23] <biberao>	 but with wgdbserver works
[03:18:25] <daegontaven>	 what is the error you get? 404?
[03:22:29] <biberao>	 no
[03:22:40] <biberao>	 i said when running php maintenance
[03:22:43] <biberao>	 gives me that error
[03:29:14] <biberao>	 daegontaven: 
[03:29:15] <biberao>	  Cannot access the database: Unknown database 'my_wiki' (localhost)
[03:29:20] <biberao>	 i dont have that database
[03:29:41] <biberao>	 i dont know where that comes from
[03:31:59] <daegontaven>	 biberao: can you do this command:  grep -rnw '/path/to/mediawiki/folder' -e 'my_wiki'
[03:32:17] <daegontaven>	 replace the first argument with your mediawiki folder path
[03:33:29] <biberao>	 i can do it
[03:33:32] <biberao>	 but i dont have that
[03:33:44] <daegontaven>	 i know, but just in case
[03:34:02] <biberao>	 no such file
[03:34:05] <biberao>	 or directory
[03:34:24] <daegontaven>	 hmmmmmm....weird
[03:34:35] <biberao>	 i know
[03:36:28] <daegontaven>	 and you're sure the db doesn't exist in db SHOW DATABASES; ?
[03:37:15] <biberao>	 after all
[03:37:20] <biberao>	 defaultsettings has that
[03:37:25] <biberao>	 but let me recheck the db
[03:38:32] <biberao>	 ya
[03:38:38] <biberao>	 but no my_wiki
[03:39:56] <daegontaven>	 how many slaves do you have? maybe it's a communication error check all dbs
[03:40:08] <biberao>	 like
[03:40:15] <biberao>	 i only got this
[03:40:37] <biberao>	 $wgDBservers = array(
[03:40:38] <biberao>	         array(
[03:40:38] <biberao>	                 'host' => 'localhost',
[03:40:38] <biberao>	                 'dbname' => 'dbname',
[03:40:39] <biberao>	                 'user' => 'username',
[03:40:40] <biberao>	                 'password' => 'password',
[03:40:43] <biberao>	                 'type' => 'mysql',
[03:40:45] <biberao>	                 'flags' => DBO_DEFAULT | DBO_PERSISTENT,
[03:40:48] <biberao>	                 'load' => 1
[03:40:50] <biberao>	         ),
[03:40:53] <biberao>	 );
[03:40:55] <biberao>	 	
[03:40:56] <legoktm>	 biberao: use a pastebin please
[03:40:58] <biberao>	 oops
[03:41:00] <biberao>	 i could have pastebinned it sorry
[03:41:09] <biberao>	 sorry legoktm !
[03:41:42] <biberao>	 said cant find the issue :|
[03:41:45] <biberao>	 *sad
[03:42:36] <biberao>	 daegontaven: ideas'
[03:43:15] <Skizzerz>	 why are you using dbservers when there's only one entry in it
[03:43:29] <biberao>	 the previous guy made it that way
[03:43:48] <biberao>	 which is weird it stops working after moving the wiki
[03:44:17] <Skizzerz>	 anyway, pastebin your localsettings
[03:44:25] <Skizzerz>	 redact any passwords and secret keys
[03:44:34] <Skizzerz>	 but do NOT change anything else, like db names
[03:45:11] <Skizzerz>	 (and by that I mean the entire file, not just that small section)
[03:45:21] <biberao>	 ok
[03:45:31] <biberao>	 i will tomorrow then
[03:45:33] <biberao>	 im tired
[03:45:58] <biberao>	 thank you guys
[03:55:06] <daegontaven>	 meanwhile can someone take a look at my issue? https://discourse-mediawiki.wmflabs.org/t/any-success-for-mediawiki-vagrant-on-gcp-instances/1065
[04:19:38] <biberao>	 damn couldnt sleep
[04:19:45] <biberao>	 without figuring it out
[04:28:12] <Haley>	 :-)
[04:29:59] <biberao>	 i dont get it
[04:30:11] <biberao>	 and Skizzerz the rest of its just extensions
[04:31:15] <biberao>	 Cannot access the database: Unknown database 'my_wiki' (localhost) and my db isnt called that
[04:32:22] <biberao>	 could it be being an older version and now its newer?
[04:32:42] <p858snake|L>	 do you have any sort of wikifamily or shorturl setup atm
[04:32:54] <biberao>	 shorturl yes
[04:33:50] <p858snake|L>	 <daegontaven> biberao: what do you mean by "each localsettings"? <biberao> theres multiple wikis <what method was used to setup your multiple wikis?
[04:34:37] <biberao>	 theres one mainwiki then all others are symlinked
[04:34:51] <biberao>	 each has their own localsettings
[04:35:07] <biberao>	 like if i remove and make it single server it all works
[04:35:15] <biberao>	 was just curious why it doesnt
[04:35:19] <biberao>	 currently
[04:36:18] <daegontaven>	 are these multiple wikis(symlinked) on a single host with a reverse proxy setup
[04:36:57] <biberao>	 no
[04:37:00] <p858snake|L>	 I don't know enough to help you, but I suspect that is whats causing it, not the DB access which is what is appearing
[04:37:06] <biberao>	 each their own subdomain
[04:37:16] <biberao>	 p858snake|L: what is causing what?
[04:38:02] <swoboda>	 Hello?
[04:38:41] <biberao>	 i got more info
[04:38:56] <daegontaven>	 swoboda: hi :)
[04:39:23] <biberao>	 [caches] cluster: MemcachedPhpBagOStuff, WAN: mediawiki-main-default, stash: db-replicated
[04:39:23] <swoboda>	 Is this the right channel for help with my wikipedia account?
[04:40:46] <daegontaven>	 swoboda: this is mostly for mediawiki stuff, try #wikipedia
[04:41:53] <biberao>	 i dont know where it comes from
[04:42:18] <daegontaven>	 biberao: can we get a paste of all this, along with your localsettings file into a pastebin
[04:44:09] <daegontaven>	 i'm guessing since you said subdomains, i'm guessing this is a wikifamily
[04:44:23] <biberao>	 but how do icheck for wikifamily?
[04:44:33] <biberao>	 the localsettings got nothing
[04:44:35] <biberao>	 related to it
[04:45:37] <daegontaven>	 biberao: were you the maintainer of this wiki? why don't you if it's a wikifamily or not?
[04:45:48] <biberao>	 i wasnt no
[04:46:00] <daegontaven>	 *why don't you know
[04:47:42] <daegontaven>	 yes we need that localsettings file, hide private info from it, including upgrade keys and passwords 
[04:48:54] <biberao>	 ok tomorrow then thank you again really tired.
[04:48:56] <biberao>	 good night
[04:49:25] * daegontaven waves bye
[06:07:59] <WMDSbot>	 Taven @daegontaven posted in Who is allowed to request a Cloud VPS? - https://discourse-mediawiki.wmflabs.org/t/who-is-allowed-to-request-a-cloud-vps/1066/1
[06:14:13] <RSY>	 Hi. How in a MediaWiki page do you enter more than one space into an article?
[06:14:23] <RSY>	 I tried <nowiki>  </nowiki>, but that didn't work...
[06:14:50] <RSY>	 I'm directly quoting something (sic) that uses two spaces erroneously, "Too late!  I'm done!"
[06:17:27] <RSY>	 or "Too late!  [sic]I'm done!"
[06:24:30] <daegontaven>	 RSY: what do you mean? this works https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Daegontaven/test
[06:27:14] <RSY>	 that's odd, daegontaven. On the MediaWiki farm I'm using, Miraheze, "Too late!  I'm done!" produces "Too late! I'm done!"
[06:27:27] <RSY>	 as does "Too late!          I'm done!"
[06:27:43] <RSY>	 that also produces "Too late! I'm done!"
[06:27:48] <daegontaven>	 what is the version as seen in Special:Version
[06:28:12] <RSY>	 1.32.0
[06:28:36] <RSY>	 hmmm and it seems on mediawiki.org it's 1.33.0
[06:28:49] <RSY>	 could this be a recent fix?
[06:31:17] <daegontaven>	 RSY: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Newlines_and_spaces#Preservation_of_spaces_and_newlines_using_unnamed_parameters
[06:31:59] <daegontaven>	 i'm not sure if it's a "fix", i'm a developer ..not an editor..soooooo..only so much i can help with editing stuff
[10:19:54] <No_one_at_all_>	 hi is this out of date? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgServerName
[10:21:57] <No_one_at_all_>	 var_dump( $wgServerName ) evaluates to bool(false), which is not at all the expected value
[10:22:13] <No_one_at_all_>	 mw 1.31
[10:25:26] <Bardack_>	 ahoi all, got a question regarding CategoryTree extension (or maybe I'm using categories in mediawiki in a wrong way)
[10:26:51] <Bardack_>	 Let say I've the following: Category:Technical   , Category:Technical:Midlleware,   Category:Technical:Logging. On each of both subcategories, I've the same pages created (Architecture, Support, Troubleshoot, so for example Technical:Midlleware:Troubleshoot page)
[10:27:47] <Bardack_>	 in the end I use categorytree with mode=categories hideprefix=always,     and with hideprefix option I was expecting not to see the full name of the subcategories and the page, but basically by writing this it makes no sense as it's flat defined … 
[10:28:28] <Bardack_>	 so categorytree, if I show Technical category, will show me 2 subcategories: Category:Technical:Midlleware,   Category:Technical:Logging, while I wanted to have Middleware and Logging only
[10:29:09] <Bardack_>	 you'll say that I could just create Category:Middleware, and inside it do [[Category:Technical]], but it could be an issue in the future if I got 2 categories with the same name
[10:29:19] <Bardack_>	 is there a solution for that? Do I do things in a wrong way ?
[12:55:43] <biberao>	 hi
[13:04:26] <andre__>	 hi biberao 
[13:05:49] <niso>	 hi, Im using dpl mode=user format, in this case the separators between the "startall,start,end,endall" are "," (comma), ho can i add comma to one of those sections?
[13:08:23] <biberao>	 https://pastebin.com/7LVmPepq <-so back from last night qustion
[13:08:47] <biberao>	 how come this $wgDBservers work
[13:09:00] <biberao>	 when theres no other info on the file to hve a master or slave
[13:09:10] <biberao>	 and if i move this wiki to another place it stops working
[13:20:15] <biberao>	 can you help andre__ ?
[13:20:18] <biberao>	 Skizzerz: here?
[13:26:57] <andre__>	 biberao: If someone sees this and someone could help, someone would speak up. No need to ping random people. :)
[13:29:23] <biberao>	 ya sorry
[13:29:35] <biberao>	 i was just highlighting Skizzerz because he asked for the config 
[13:29:38] <biberao>	 sorry
[13:32:30] <biberao>	 but if you check the paste its weird isnt it?
[13:32:41] <andre__>	 ah, makes sense if they asked before for it, sorry didn't know
[13:34:44] <biberao>	 i mean the db part
[13:46:46] <niso>	 the solution for dpl "," separation: easy: use "&#44;" (comma HTML), but that wont be good for cargo querying (which disallow ; in the query), so i used magic in the dpl and replaced it with "," with {{#replace}}
[15:00:41] <biberao>	 damn i have no idea how to fix this
[15:40:57] <nunyet>	 I want to create an internal wiki for each department, is the initial database the only one I need or do I create databases for each department?
[15:45:51] <andre__>	 nunyet, what is a "department"?
[15:46:25] <nunyet>	 sales, marketing, retention. etc
[15:47:20] <andre__>	 nunyet: Are those departments all in the same wiki? Or does each department have a separate wiki?
[15:48:30] <nunyet>	 They are not created yet. I'm creating this from the ground up. I would like for each department to have a separate wiki 
[15:52:10] <teward>	 MW has the ability to have a db table prefix setup in it yet?
[15:52:29] <teward>	 (asking for a different reason than nunyet, actually)
[16:17:16] <biberao>	 yes you can teward 
[16:25:57] <biberao>	 https://pastebin.com/7LVmPepq <- anyone could take a look please? it works within the same place but if i move the wiki to another place it breaks?
[16:27:19] <biberao>	 can i make a new db with another name
[16:27:27] <biberao>	 import a backup from another db with another name?
[16:32:56] <biberao>	 i found a way
[18:08:57] <WMDSbot>	 łukasz Polowczyk @lukaszpolowczyk posted in Visual Editor and MediaWiki - Couldn't connect to server - https://discourse-mediawiki.wmflabs.org/t/visual-editor-and-mediawiki-couldnt-connect-to-server/1072/1
[19:27:43] <biberao>	 funny 1.32 mediawiki works fine for newer dbs doing the site url/folder/Main_Page
[19:27:53] <biberao>	 older dbs on 1.32 mediawiki doesnt work
[19:28:05] <biberao>	 it says url/folder/Main_Page not found
[19:33:21] <biberao>	 driving crazy :D
[20:32:10] <mingle>	 hi friends, I have a visual editor question.  Does anyone know if there's some config to change the order of the "Insert" dropdown?  OR if there's a way to put "Code Block" as a top level button like "Link" or "Special Character"?   My installation has a lot of code blocks insertions.    Reference: https://imgur.com/a/2YA6rBf
[20:34:32] <James_F>	 mingle: Not explicit config, but you can write a user script (or default-on gadget / Common.js hack) that fiddles with the toolbar precedence.
[20:35:47] <biberao>	 ive run a new mediawiki install and it works as expected
[20:35:59] <biberao>	 having a new install with a new db it doesnt work at all
[20:36:03] <biberao>	 damn shorturls
[20:36:35] <mingle>	 James_F: okay cool, I'll look into those!  Thank you
[20:36:37] <James_F>	 mingle: You want to add the name of the item to the Insert menu's `promote` array.
[20:37:13] <James_F>	 mingle: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/VisualEditor/VisualEditor/+/master/src/init/ve.init.Target.js
[20:38:12] <James_F>	 mingle: There's a hideous hack in the Citoid extension that find the Cite extension's tools, demotes them, and replaces them with its own: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/extensions/Citoid/+/master/modules/ve.ui.Citoid.init.js
[20:42:46] <jeblad>	 Checking a message? Wonder if I could ever get away with something like that… o_O
[20:44:33] <jeblad>	 James_F: I'm messing around with tools appended to the edit form for Lua-modules. I've wondering if the appended tools should use an OOUI Stack instead.
[20:45:11] <jeblad>	 All kinds of additional tools adding stuff without any structure seems bad…
[20:45:45] <James_F>	 jeblad: Everything about the Citoid integration is hideous, and mostly my fault.
[20:46:17] <jeblad>	 Yes, agree, everything is your fault! =)
[20:46:45] <James_F>	 jeblad: Which editor? If you mean the 2010 wikitext editor, migrating that code over to a proper OOUI toolbar would break every gadget that interacts with it, so we've decided that we're not doing that. :-) Instead we built the 2017 wikitext editor.
[20:47:45] <jeblad>	 No, this is tools like the debug console for lua modules. I'll make a link…
[20:48:25] <James_F>	 Oh, the Scribunto editor thing? I've tried hard to pretend that doesn't exist.
[20:48:33] <jeblad>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Asbox&action=edit
[20:48:47] <jeblad>	 The grey debug console
[20:49:17] <James_F>	 That's just a text area, but adding a proper toolbar might be reasonably do-able?
[20:49:31] <jeblad>	 I tried to clean up the code and make it pretend to use OOUI, but the code seems weird.
[20:50:11] <jeblad>	 I have sort of made something that works, but it is a bit ugly.
[20:50:23] <jeblad>	 Codewise ugly
[20:50:43] <James_F>	 :-(
[20:53:02] <jeblad>	 I wonder if an OOUI Stack could be added to core, and then a reference to it added as a new argument to the hook
[20:53:58] <jeblad>	 Instead of adding to the "editFormTextAfterContent", which is pretty ugly
[20:54:45] <James_F>	 We're trying to keep core stream-lined and agnostic about client-side editors.
[20:56:34] <jeblad>	 It would not change anything when it comes to client-side editors, but it will add some structure to how tools are added to the form.
[20:56:49] <jeblad>	 "to the edit form"
[20:57:16] <biberao>	 What can break when upgrading from 1.30 to 1.32 for example?
[20:57:25] <biberao>	 the shorturls could break?
[20:59:23] * jeblad belives he would give himself a  -2 on adding raw html like $editor->editFormTextAfterContent .= …
[21:40:22] <Sigyn>	 ** Warning: if there is any bot in #mediawiki which should be exempted from Sigyn, contact staffers before it gets caught **
[22:38:00] <biberao>	 anyone here ever setup a wiki on a different folder than the document root?