[04:03:07] is mediawiki using gerrit or phab/differential? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Differential seems to hint maybe differential? but other docs seem to say gerrit and all the diff stuff is old from 2015 [04:03:20] was differential abandoned? [04:05:35] or is it that only some wikimedia projects use differential, while others user gerrit? [04:07:03] Phabricator for issue tracking. Gerrit for repository management. [04:09:22] Azxiana: Phab/Differential seems to be in active use for code review. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/differential/query/all/ [04:10:06] although maybe only the WMF Release Engineering Team moved over in 2015 and nobody else followed suit? [04:10:44] Unsure. :O I know I submit all of my patches for MediaWiki and extensions through Gerrit. [04:12:00] ofbeaton: we did a lot of experiments, but we are back to gerrit for almost all repos. MediaWiki core never actually transitioned [04:12:59] there are still some repos (mostly owned by Toolforge tools) using Diffusion (the Phabricator git server) as their primary repo [04:13:26] there has been renewed discussion recently about moving all of them to gerrit as well [04:13:28] bd808: thanks! is there some kind of summary document for why it was decided to stick with gerrit? [04:13:54] there is a Phab task somewhere... [04:14:31] I found this... https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T18 which is `Plan to migrate code review from Gerrit to Phabricator` but it just seems to indicate a slower migration to phab [04:15:13] my TL;DR is that there was strong resistance in our community to a git workflow that required a pile of PHP code just to submit a patch [04:16:36] T119908 [04:16:37] T119908: [RfC]: Migrate code review / management from Gerrit to Phabricator - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119908 [04:16:51] that's the RFC that was ultimately abandoned [04:16:58] bd808: thanks for the tl;dr, and taking the time to find the task. I'll go read it now [04:18:29] I have been thinking about starting an RFC to migrate to a local GItLab deployment. Gerrit is actually really cool once you learn how to use it, but we have evidence that it also drives away some new contributors [04:18:59] OH MY GOD YES IT DOES. [04:19:02] * Azxiana explodefs. [04:19:44] * bd808 offers Azxiana a soothing beverage [04:20:17] bd808: If you desire a case study on moving to Gitlab I am about to finish pushing all of the Hydra Wiki Platform/Gamepedia code up to our Gitlab account this coming week. Doing some final "make sure we don't commit secrets" clean up before I make the final push. https://gitlab.com/hydrawiki [04:20:28] All of our Jira tickets are imported as well. [04:21:48] neat. Debian has been moving into a local GitLab too which could provide us with some info [04:23:22] I've been trying to decide what to present to my collegues for code review so I've been reading a lot of discussions. Seems like more people like the code review process in phab/gerrit better than github/gitlab. But everyone seems to agree the later is more well known in the wider community. [04:24:22] we already use phab for ticketing so I was intreagued by phab differential and hoped wikimedia was using it [04:24:46] Gerrit requires additional git extensions to make work and has a lot of archaic conventions for submitting code that make it easy to clobber the code review/your local branch.(Making it a giant pain in the ass to recover from.) [04:26:38] anyways, not looking to start a debate, was just hoping to find the logs of an existing one that wikimedia already likely had :) so thanks [04:27:48] ofbeaton: Differential is interesting in that it is completely agnostic of the backing VCS system. Its really 2 parts: a patch based code review system, and a php library/script that know how to submit patches from a VCS working copy [04:28:14] bd808: so differential can work well on SVN? [04:28:46] because that is super interesting to me [04:29:20] I'm pretty sure it can, yes. [04:29:54] assuming arc knows how to extract/apply patches to svn [04:31:22] seems like it does -- https://secure.phabricator.com/T5029 [04:32:22] hmmm... actually that doesn't say that arc know how to do this [04:33:32] Yes, it does "If you use arc, we'll also automatically generate full-context diffs for you." [04:33:51] I got confused by https://secure.phabricator.com/T4678 [04:34:09] which is about a specific snv workflow not being supported [04:34:36] * bd808 is glad to have escaped from svn many years ago [04:41:33] I'm just glad to have phased out my 20 year old maintenance mode software... and working on the 15 year now. Likely won't get lower than 10 tho [06:37:07] I will never understand how the devops at mediawiki stay sane keeping phabricator running [06:37:38] I've had to implement so many kludges [07:36:08] Which version of parsoid is used in the offical website? [10:18:55] Is it possible to view the log of emails that I sent via EmailUser special page? If so, where can I view this? [10:19:38] Nope [10:20:14] Ok, I'll just use the ccme parameter to keep a log in my inbox I guess. Thanks in any case [10:26:05] Tisztelt Cím! Érdeklődni szeretnék, hogy a Wikipédián miért jelentetik meg Grönlandot mint " a világ negyedik legnagyobb közigazgatási egysége terület szerint" (Területe: 2 166 086 km²)? Itt 12. helyen szerepel: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Országok_terület_szerinti_listája. Például Ausztráliát (Területe: 7 741 220 km²) " Területe alapján a világ hatodik legnagyobb országa"-ként tüntetik fel. [10:26:24] Szíves visszajelzésüket várva (az esetleges javításról is), üdvözlettel: N. Anita anita.nagy@outlook.com [10:39:44] Itt találtam az kérdésben említett helyezést: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%B6nland [11:09:58] Kilépek, senki nem válaszol. Írtam másik felületen: https://www.mediawiki.org/. [11:10:41] Mindenkinek további szép napot! Bár gondolom, hogy azért nem érkezett senkitől sem válasz, mert senki nem beszél magyarul. :) [11:10:55] Have a nice day for all! [11:13:54] atinaygan: There are some devs that speak hungarian, but probably not too many [11:14:21] This is also a slow time of day (a big portion of mw devs are based in US, where its 4 am right now, and also a holiday [11:14:27] OK, I see, no problem! :) [11:15:19] I hope, somebody will answer my question from MediaWiki soon. :) [11:15:24] atinaygan: putting your question through google translate, I think this is the wrong place to ask. Try asking at the #wikipedia-en-help irc channel [11:16:18] #mediawiki is supposed to be for help with the technical aspects of the software. Content stuff is handled by different people [11:21:32] Not all the same that a country or a administrative unit is the 6th or 12th utmost (by area) in the world! [11:22:47] I wrote that I have alredy wrote a message to the MediaWiki. [11:25:34] err, i guess i gave the wrong channel #wikipedia-en-help is gor english. Presumably #wikipedia-hu would be a better place [11:27:44] Sveta: If you were a checkuser, there's a list kept for 90 days, but that really only includes that an email was sent, it doesn't say to who or what the subject was [13:38:31] Does any sort of “MediaWiki System Check” exist to show the “health” of the site? To check the site after doing a bunch of spam cleanup and core / extension upgrades / changes? Just wanting to make sure I’m not overlooking any issues after a bunch of changes. [13:46:25] Not really, no [14:11:23] ok thanks Reedy [14:16:06] is there a way to specify a wiki-relative path in a css file added by an extension? [14:16:30] I'm asking about a .css file, not some big .less compilation step [14:22:43] eh I guess I could just data embed all my images straight into the css and avoid the urls completely. especially given resource loader will do that anyways eventually [18:32:26] hi, was wondering if anyone has a guide for setting up visualeditor on a private wiki? when i try to load the visualeditor extension it breaks mediawiki -- nothing else seems to load on the homepage [18:50:53] IDrinkMi1: VE requires parsoid. Did you set that up as well? [18:51:04] also, you need to grab the right version of VE for your mediawiki version [18:58:04] i do have parsoid running, and it seems to be running in htop [20:31:37] IDrinkMi1: check the parsoid logs, see if the mediawiki requests go there at all [20:31:53] check the mediawiki logs, see what the error is [20:32:19] make sure you are forwarding cookies, in theory that's the only difference for a private wiki [20:52:19] just checked the logs, here's what i got: https://paste.debian.net/1068803/ [20:52:34] seems like it's dying after startup? this was after reloading the service [23:43:03] /quit [23:56:35] Ye its likely tha tyou've not set the right paths in your config IdrinkMil [23:56:46] Anybody have any idea about this question I've had for some time now [23:56:46] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54655194/resize-images-upon-upload-in-mediawiki [23:58:50] With mediawiki, how do I receive email notifications of each change to a page which is on my watch list?