[02:00:24] Hi, whats the different between purge & touch? [02:01:51] Not exactly sure how you are defining those words [02:02:16] but action=purge basically just updates page_touched [02:02:34] Which means next time a user views a page, it will be re-rendered instead of using the cached version [02:02:49] (This is different then a linksupdate, which updates categories and Special:Whatlinkshere and so on) [02:03:18] im using pywikibot terminology [02:03:51] blackbox- im using some pages with cargo tables. when purge a page, that does not help to "refresh" the content, when "touching" that helps [02:04:32] im pywikibot code, touching seems like actual saving, but i cant see anything on the wiki log (included bots), there is anyway to save a page without showing it to the logs? [02:05:42] niso: Based on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/touch.py it looks like its doing a null edit, which is basically a linksupdate [02:05:50] purge does re-render on the spot, IIRC [02:06:32] the difference is that purge does not update links tables and a null edit does [02:06:53] those are the only "levels" of page updating? [02:07:29] there's a nice chart somewhere on mw.org [02:07:45] tgr: ?action=purge doesn't re-render, it just sends varnish/file cache purges, and updates page_touched in db (calls Title::invalidateCache) [02:08:11] api action=purge otoh, does have linksupdate options [02:08:25] there is any way to send linksupdate to a page based on template? [02:08:34] just edit the template [02:09:01] any edit to a template will linksupdate anything that includes the template [02:09:20] I want to create "refresh" button for a page [02:09:35] I think it has to be a real edit though, not a null edit (I think null edit just does a non-recursive linksupdate) [02:09:47] you could probably write some js that calls the relevant API call [02:10:38] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Purge [02:10:55] just for curiosity, why situation of non-updated pages happen? [02:11:08] Sometimes job queue can be broken [02:11:25] Typically though its when people write complex template which change categories based on the time or something like that [02:11:43] Sometimes some extensions don't hook in in all the right places to tell mediawiki that purges are needed [02:12:08] But yeah, first thing to check is make sure that job queue is working properly [02:13:28] "make sure"? how that can be done? with the default configuration that relevant? [02:14:20] With default config, probably easiest way is to go to /w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics [02:14:25] And see if the jobs number is very high [02:15:12] ho, i thought that by broken you mean its on 0 and there is a problem [02:15:39] yea, checked that, so your next guess will be the extension? [02:16:00] yeah [02:16:27] Some extensions like DynamicPageList don't even attempt to purge things when needed [02:17:25] :( [02:17:29] in fairness, in some cases its very difficult to do proper purging for coplicated things some extensions do [02:18:01] Purging mechanics are improved in DPL3. Which is good because in DPL2 it 100% disable all parser caching and page caching. [02:18:07] *disabled [02:18:20] There's also some extensions that just throw there hands in the air, and disable all cache, which fixes the problem at high efficiency cost [02:18:53] Azxiana: cool. I didn't even know there was a DPLv3 [02:19:10] https://gitlab.com/hydrawiki/extensions/DynamicPageList [02:25:24] ty, seems to be working (used {{fullurl}} ) [10:12:11] hi [10:12:16] in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences [10:12:29] there is an option to specfiy gender netural language [10:12:56] Is an effort being made to remove gendered language across mediawiki so this doesn't need to be an option anymore? [10:23:42] ShakespeareFan00, examples? [10:24:04] I don't see how that can work in some languages that are very gendered? [10:24:48] andre__: That would indeed be a consideration [10:25:03] That some language have gender in them [10:25:07] good luck with Hebrew, for example... [10:25:12] Hmm [10:25:35] andre__: Okay where possible is gendered language being avoided in mediawiki? [10:28:31] ShakespeareFan00: Why should that be a goal in itself? [10:28:58] There is https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Gender-unknown that you could set if wanted [10:29:03] andre__: You aware of the pronoun row on English Wikipedia? [10:29:55] ShakespeareFan00, what's that? [10:30:05] andre__: I was also "advised" at university to use non-gendered language in respect of technical applications [10:30:35] andre__: Somene posted a controversial humor item at the Signpost [10:30:35] If your application has no settings for gender that makes sense. [10:31:10] andre__: However, writing non-gendered language isn't as you say possible in all languages [10:31:32] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation#Users_have_grammatical_genders [10:35:25] andre__: Thanks , and bookmarked [14:24:26] Hi James_F [14:24:39] James_F: Do you still have contacts within government? [14:25:36] The query is largely technical, to do with getting Commons collection of UK road signs updated to the current TSRGD 2016 versions [14:45:24] there is a way to display gallery with dpl3 but with modes that available builtin such as: packed and so on? [14:45:48] hi mediawiki team, i'm upgrading always via SSH with " tar xvzf PACKAGE_FILE_NAME -C PATH_TO_WIKI --strip-components=1" as i see you removed this way from upgrade page. what's wrong with that? [14:47:16] sorry for reconnection. do you have an answer for that? [14:47:35] Sia-, link to removal please? [14:48:38] andre__ i can't find it but it was 100% here for few years ago https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [14:48:58] The edit summary might include the reason... [14:49:30] do you know why? [14:51:44] couldn't find that's why i'm here to ask you [14:57:16] Hi, about the dpl and gallery, be glad for help, tried that: https://pastebin.com/CMeQDnWh, when im writing explicit the files inside the gallery tag its working, but when using the dpl inside that not working, i assume that related somehow to the parsing order [15:02:12] Sia-, https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual%3AUpgrading&type=revision&diff=1117449&oldid=1116929 [15:02:25] No need to imply that a different approach is wrong? [15:03:03] hello [15:03:52] andre__ still i can't see any reason to remove it [15:04:15] does anybody can help me? i need to know wich http service software you recommend to mount media wiki [15:04:25] which* [15:04:49] SirH: I believe either apache or nginx would work so which ever your comfortable. [15:09:07] for documentation: seems it can be done with the "prefix" and "suffix" of dpl, such described in here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:DynamicPageList_(third-party) [15:12:02] niso: Use the gallery output mode. https://help.gamepedia.com/DPL:Parameters:_Controlling_Output_Format#mode [15:12:46] Im searching to use the modes of gallery, such as: "" [15:13:18] As i saw (maybe missed something), i cant choose which gallery mode to use with the builtin dpl3 features [15:15:21] You have to specify the list attributes. I just woke up ten minutes ago.(I did the DPL3 rewrite.) I will be a few minutes while I wash my hair. [15:23:36] wah (that complicated lol), something like that i guess? https://pastebin.com/A5Ktta1S, that seems to display to gallery at the default mode also [15:24:37] Try putting a space in front of the mode? I wonder if I accidentally made a bug there. [15:25:29] tried ^_^ [15:25:31] It drops it in smashed into the tag name... Whoops. https://gitlab.com/hydrawiki/extensions/DynamicPageList/blob/develop/classes/lister/GalleryList.php#L28 [15:26:59] so with space its should work? [15:27:28] Probably I may need to fix the code for the permanent fix. [15:28:55] There is another solution which i sent above (with startall and endall), the snippet ive sent dont work for me (including the space) [15:32:04] Oh, looking at this a bit more, I think the listattr parameter is not being properly sent through the code path so it may just be getting nothing. [15:33:19] ^_^ [15:33:37] hallo [15:34:02] are Atom feeds actually used anywhere in Wikipedia or other Wikimedia sites? [15:34:24] Not that im aware of but I could be wrong [15:34:27] There's a link title: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&message=MediaWiki%3APage-atom-feed%2Fnqo . This title is translated to a lot of languages. But where is it actually used? [15:34:29] niso: I made a ticket for this issue. https://gitlab.com/hydrawiki/extensions/DynamicPageList/issues/4845 [15:35:22] Great, atm ill go with the other solution :) [15:42:46] Azxiana: hey there :) could you take a look at https://gitlab.com/hydrawiki/extensions/DynamicPageList/merge_requests/88 at some point when you have a minute or two? (not sure why CI is failing consistently but that seems like something on gitlab's end) exciting to see more HydraWiki code in the open, please keep up the awesome work! [15:49:51] ashley: Will do. I will use the CLI merge since I had Auto DevOps enabled when I created the repository there. Editing the merge request does not fix the merge blocker. [15:50:21] splendid, thanks again :D [16:00:29] hi, any idea whats wrong after last upgrade? http://chawg.org/wiki/%D8%AF%DB%95%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%BE%DB%8E%DA%A9 [16:06:13] Sia-, to which exact versions did you update both MediaWiki and your MediaWiki extensions? [16:07:25] Your MediaWiki version and your MobileFrontend version (mentioned in the very first line of what you posted) are...? [16:07:36] I am tempted to also throw in http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22undefined+option%3A+%27ResourceLoaderLESSVars%27%22 [16:07:39] ill update both [16:07:56] Sia-, that answer makes no sense. [16:08:02] You wrote that you DID upgrade before. [16:08:05] andre__ don't play smart please [16:08:12] So how can you now reply that you WILL update both? [16:08:44] Sia-, if the very first search result that I get for your error message on Google likely is the answer to your question then I am really curious what you have tried so far to solve the problem yourself, sorry. [16:09:56] Sia-: plus what you wrote here is contradictive. Either you upgraded or you did not. [16:11:27] andre__ i've fixed , done [16:11:54] Sia-, now what to learn from this... [17:05:39] aharoni: Atom feeds are used in a bunch of places [17:05:53] whether or not people actually subscribe to them i don't know [17:06:01] But recentchanges, watchlist, history all have feeds [17:06:19] aharoni: Also daily article of the day (via FeaturedFeeds extension) [17:23:15] Does https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor work proerply on stable releases? I had some trouble with that in the past. [17:23:19] *properly [17:35:08] in theory, if you use the corresponding stable branch [19:54:09] There is a way to add page (by name pattern) to category? (not manually) [20:23:07] niso: with templates, assuming those pages have a template [20:24:28] That would be easy ^_^ ofcourse without [20:24:55] i have something like this: [20:26:27] Some pages that Describes items, includes: "[[Category: Items of {{#var: name}} ]]", i want those Category pages will be part of category: "Category:Items containers" (or something) [20:26:50] They may be created dynamically (that the problem)