[17:15:10] Hello and BIG thank you thank you for the awesomest wiki engine [17:15:59] I'm installing a new wiki.. Previous wikis use reCAPTCHA v2 to keep bots at bay, but now I notice there is also reCAPTCHA v3 and I'm wondering which to choose [17:16:29] I'd like it so that the CAPTCHA would be of minimum annoyance to anon editors, but keep most of the bots out [17:20:02] reCAPTCHA v3 (alias: nocaptcha) presents users with a puzzle the first time they see the captcha. Once they solve it correctly for the first time, any additional captcha requires only to click on the "i'm not a robot" without the need to solve it [17:20:35] Cool. Thanks Vulpix. I'll go for v3 then [17:29:54] I think I want to set up autoconfirming users [17:30:24] I think I'll go for values 7 days regged, 5 edits made and requiring to have their email address confirmed [17:35:34] I read somewhere that PHP7's opcache system ( I have enabled it for php-fpm) makes APCU non-relevant.. Is this true and so what should I set for $wgMainCacheType? [17:37:23] Another question re https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Autoconfirmed_users [17:37:51] php7 opcache replaces the apc opcode cache... But apcu is still a thing [17:38:44] Reedy: So how should I confirm my small wikis for optimal operation? [17:38:57] errr... s/confirm/configure/ [17:39:15] If you're not epxeriencing any issues as is, I'd just leave the config as is [17:40:02] It is CACHE_ACCEL; now [17:43:07] Reedy: How do I add "email confirmed" to requirements for automatic promotion to group "autoconfirmed" ? [17:43:30] I am looking at the documentation on mediawiki.org, but I cannot find it [17:46:14] I guess that's !wg Autopromote [17:46:16] !wg Autopromote [17:46:17] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAutopromote [17:47:12] Reedy: So I make an autopromote and put in the conditions about minimum edits, minimum account existence time and that the email must be verified? [17:57:37] Am I doing the $wgAutopromote right? http://dpaste.com/0BH8GMF - What I am trying to instruct is to raise the status of users that have confirmed their email AND made at least 7 (non-deleted) edits and been registered for at least 7 days [17:59:11] That's not valid PHP [18:27:01] Reedy: I got it fixed now (I think) .. at least no longer giving syntax error [18:27:21] The wiki is now up but the reCAPTCHA is complaining "ERROR for site owner: Invalid key type" [18:28:20] I have double checked that the keys are the ones Google gave me for this site ... so the problem is probably in this: '$wgCaptchaClass = 'ReCaptchaNoCaptcha';' [18:29:02] I copied it from an older wiki and I'm thinking that since the keys are for reCAPTCHA v3 I should have something different as $wgCaptchaClass [18:29:25] I'll try to find documentation on mediawiki about using reCAPTCHA v3 [18:32:07] Nope.. reading https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#ReCaptcha_(NoCaptcha) that does not seem to be the problem [18:32:15] maybe the documentation is out of date [18:32:45] Those settings work for noCAPTCHA v2, but v3 one the new wiki is broken [18:38:12] Yeah.. looking at this thread with no responses it would appear that reCAPTCHA v3 is not yet supported by ConfirmEdit: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T208829 [18:52:29] ConfirmEdit is kind of a mess [19:23:41] Hmmm... my settings are not right. Currently a user becomes autoconfirmed if they have ONLY confirmed their email address. I would like to to have also a minimum of 7 undeleted edits and 7 days before autoconfirming [19:24:31] Here is my $wgAutopromote as it is now: http://dpaste.com/3M8WQMG [19:25:02] I should maybe add '&' between each of the three criteria? [19:27:17] The docs don't really say what happen if you use no operand [19:27:43] Reedy: I don't understand why the array in the example starts with '&' [19:28:07] "& (AND) — promote if user matches all conditions" [19:28:08] I mean ... "nothing & [more conditions..]' [19:28:15] ok [19:28:40] Reedy: So just one '&' in the start, not between every condition? [19:29:03] If you want all three conditions to be met, yes [19:29:11] Thanks Reedy [19:29:44] Not the most intuitive, I agree [19:35:29] Reedy: How / where do I check if a user has been elevated to the "autoconfirmed" level? [19:35:41] I can't seem to find the right place in the Special Pages [19:36:03] "Autopromotion doesn't actually add users to a group" [19:36:51] But I am intending to remove the need to pass captcha after a certain time, certain number of edits and having a verified email address [19:37:01] and for that I can use the autoconfirmed [20:15:53] How do I make a single wiki multi-lingual .. i.e. like Mediawiki.org has for some articles '/wiki/ArticleName/fi' for the article in Finnish [20:22:17] translate extension [21:14:04] Thanks Reedy. I'm reading through the features. I used in the past https://crowdin.com/ to translate this website of Be My Eyes to Finnish pro-bono https://www.bemyeyes.com/language/finnish. Twas a breeze when the software was really providing good UI to do it [21:15:29] 1305 words in 105 minutes so about 5s per word [21:15:42] But the text was easy [21:18:05] most non-adversarial texts are easy .. also helps if it wasn't originally written by a person not competent in writing about subject X [21:20:16] adversarial is not just in legal cases, but contains also texts where the writer contradicts him/herself and/or breaks the rules of the language [21:30:20] That is only one of the reasons why I love about Wikipedia is that if there is an error you can edit to remove the error. This is especilly nice to edit some non-truth to truth if it is visible that the resulting edit removes some contradiction made by the orginal writer him/herself [22:00:35] removing non-sense making things when the writer is actually contradicting self in what there reads gives you a much more a fluffy and warm feeling of "The things done in this edit will not be reverted or edited out" certainty somewhere beteen 0.99 and 1 [22:04:49] trying to focus on you editcountidis fix with mostly either deletionistic hits or mostly inclusionary hits [22:07:18] .. is not healthy. Mostly add, slightly remove [22:09:51] I think contradicting self would be called "a bug" in the sense that the human is not making any sense and the computers work to varying degrees [22:12:23] I mean if a human contradicts self with the things he puts the computer to do .. *time passes* .. * ERROR, Sie hast ein Bug in de kompjuuter .. so it will be called "bug" [22:43:13] Looking for suggestions for segregating MediaWiki Categories for Translated pages [23:24:27] Hi, anyone familiar with easy way to save & get stats about the searching history in a wiki? [23:29:01] niso: What does that mean? [23:29:37] im using google analytics, so i can see the histogram of the page clicks and so on [23:30:06] That sounds like a solution already? :) [23:30:13] i would like to see which terms has been search in my wiki search textbox, if that possible to get that info with advanced stats that would be great [23:30:52] the problem is that google analytics threat as search as different page name ... "index.php?search=my_term" [23:31:08] so its hard to get that info from GA [23:31:28] (or atleast i dont know an easy configuration to enable that so i ask here ^_^) [23:59:16] niso: which search system are you using? the mariadb/mysql default one? or something like cirrus search? [23:59:32] default one