[00:09:18] <jubo2>	 Platonides: Thanks. I've heard of that before .. $wgEnableScaryTransclusion if I remember and reconstruct
[00:12:27] <jubo2>	 Platonides: Big thanks for information. I've never before had the need for $wgEnableScaryTransclusion
[04:26:58] <ananayarora>	 exit
[05:06:27] <legoktm>	 someone needs to run phpcs over mediawiki.org to change all of the array()s to []s
[06:02:55] <mingle>	 hey folks, I'm running into some sudden weird behavior on my Mediawiki instance. When pasting external http links into VisualEditor, they're no longer automatically being marked as a hyperlink.  It persists between computers, and I can't reproduce it on Wikipedia. Any have any ideas?
[08:09:13] <Guest44458>	 H
[15:49:28] <Grobo>	 Hi. I'm having trouble with categories. They're showing up empty, even when they are not.
[15:51:32] <Grobo>	 I'm using MediaWiki 1.32.0 with SQLite as the database.
[15:53:22] <Haley>	 Hi Grobo.
[15:53:36] <Haley>	 Is your wiki public? Could you provide a URL?
[15:55:04] <Grobo>	 It's only LAN-accessible.
[16:14:10] <Vulpix>	 Grobo: categories are populated by the job queue. Look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue to see how it works and possible problems.
[16:29:31] <Grobo>	 hmm
[16:30:01] <Grobo>	 I tried runJobs but it's still empty
[16:35:57] <Vulpix>	 did runJobs.php output anything in the console? It should if there were pending jobs, otherwise it may indicate it crashed with no visible output because error_reporting is set to no display errors
[16:36:25] <Vulpix>	 there's also a showJobs.php you can use to see if there are pending jobs
[18:15:34] <baz93>	 !helper Hello. I'm making a MediaWiki site. I'm using the Iframe plugin. To embed a video from VK I use a long piece of code which contains "...<iframe ... p="my_path" ...>...". I would lime to make a template and simply write "{{VK|my_path}}". But if I make it the trivial way (i.e. "...<iframe ... p="{{{1}}}" ...>..."), the path doesn't get substi
[18:15:35] <baz93>	 tuted. How do I do this template properly?
[18:30:17] <harmaahylje>	 baz93: perhaps there is a way to say {{{my_path}}} instead of {{{3}}} ?
[18:31:17] <baz93>	 There is, but I doubt this will make any difference
[18:31:23] <baz93>	 I will try it out
[18:31:49] <Skizzerz>	 baz93: look into {{#tag:
[18:32:05] <Skizzerz>	 extensions which add <parser tags> of that form don't accept wiki-markup
[18:32:19] <Skizzerz>	 the #tag parser function lets you get around that, but there is no guarantee it will work properly with your extension
[18:33:48] <baz93>	 you mean i should look for another extension?
[18:34:20] <Skizzerz>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Miscellaneous
[18:34:23] <Skizzerz>	 see the very bottom of that chart
[18:35:10] <Skizzerz>	 as for other extensions, I cannot say. I don't know what extension you're using
[18:35:26] <Skizzerz>	 but if your wiki is editable by people you don't trust, allowing people to embed arbitrary <iframes> is a security issue
[18:37:19] <baz93>	 aah, you mean I should replace <iframe ... p="{{{1}}}" ...> with {{#tag:tagname|iframe|...|p={{{1}}}|...}} ?
[18:38:05] <baz93>	 I'm using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Iframe
[18:38:29] <baz93>	 And it's safe. I allowed only to use vk embeddings
[18:39:16] <baz93>	 Ok, I will try this out. Thank you
[18:40:08] <baz93>	 * {{#tag:iframe...
[18:55:20] <baz93>	 Well, I tried using {{#tag: but it's all the same. {{#tag:iframe||k=vk|p=my_path}} works fine, but {{Video|video_ext.php?my_path}} renders to {{#tag:iframe||k=vk|p={{{1}}}}}
[18:55:41] <baz93>	 Well, I tried using {{#tag: but it's all the same. {{#tag:iframe||k=vk|p=my_path}} works fine, but {{Video|my_path}} renders to {{#tag:iframe||k=vk|p={{{1}}}}}
[18:57:16] <bawolff>	 does my_path have an = sign in it
[18:57:27] <bawolff>	 if so you have to do {{Video|1=my_path}}
[18:58:20] <baz93>	 damn. you're right
[18:58:26] <baz93>	 thanks alot!!
[18:58:35] <bawolff>	 glad to help
[19:06:12] <harmaahylje>	 gotta say that you do some awesome work here bawolff & Skizzerz , you help so many people
[19:06:47] <bawolff>	 Thanks :)
[19:14:58] <RhinosF1>	 I spent nearly 3 hours helping someone last night - right until midnight. And I'm having an IRC meeting with them in 50 mins again
[19:19:57] <Reedy>	 Lol, I've been up all night helping people before now. Or on Christmas day etc
[19:22:04] <RhinosF1>	 Any know what might have gone on at https://thelostjewel.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=newusers&user=&page=&wpdate=&tagfilter=?
[19:22:12] <RhinosF1>	 The repeated IP Entry
[19:24:27] <Reedy>	 Does it show as your ip?
[19:25:10] <bawolff>	 Referential integrity issue maybe
[19:25:33] <bawolff>	 Sometimes User class will change an invalid user id into the current IP
[19:25:40] <bawolff>	 if something went wrong with the actor migration perhaps
[19:25:47] <RhinosF1>	 Yes that's my IP
[19:25:52] <bawolff>	 Isarra was complaining about something similar a couple days ago I think
[19:26:22] <RhinosF1>	 Bawolff, Should it be safe to just oversight it. It shouldn't continue appearing should it.
[19:26:44] <bawolff>	 That won't solve the underlying problem of why its happening
[19:26:56] <bawolff>	 Was update.php run?
[19:28:12] <RhinosF1>	 Eventually, There was a few issues during some of the updates regarding the user doing it not having command prompt access.
[19:28:54] <RhinosF1>	 Updating MediaWiki last night took the whole site down for a while.
[19:28:59] <Isarra>	 IT'S NOT JUST ME.
[19:29:00] <Isarra>	 YESSSSSS.
[19:29:01] <bawolff>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219429
[19:30:08] <RhinosF1>	 Bawolff, Now update.php is run Should it be safe
[19:30:31] <RhinosF1>	 Issara, You should have seen the mess updating MediaWiki was.
[19:31:07] <Isarra>	 Quick fix: run an sql to update all log_user = 0 where log_user doesn't match any user_id in user.
[19:31:26] <Isarra>	 Or something along those lines, and I definitely don't recall the actual query.
[19:32:13] <RhinosF1>	 Isarra, Bawolff, an actual query for command prompt would be good.
[19:32:14] <bawolff>	 I would try running migrateActors.php
[19:32:29] <bawolff>	 Just to see if that fixes it
[19:33:23] <RhinosF1>	 I'll get the site's manager to run that tonight.
[19:33:32] <bawolff>	 I don't actually know the state of your db, so hard to say if that will do anything to fix it
[19:34:13] <bawolff>	 Isarra's suggestion would also probably fix the symptoms at least, you ultimately still have something messed up with missing users in your db
[19:34:33] <RhinosF1>	 Bawolff, If you want to join ##TheLostJewel, that's where I'm hosting the IRC meeting in 35 mins with the person who runs the site.
[19:34:55] <RhinosF1>	 Bawolff, Do you know the exact query for that?
[19:36:10] <bawolff>	 Something like
[19:38:50] <bawolff>	 UPDATE logging left join user on logging.log_user = user.user_id SET logging.log_user = 0 where user.user_id is null;
[19:39:03] <bawolff>	 I DID NOT TEST THAT, MAKE A BACKUP BEFORE TRYING IT
[19:39:13] <Isarra>	 XD
[19:40:15] <RhinosF1>	 Thanks
[19:40:17] <bawolff>	 and ultimately band-aid solutions to ref integrity issues are generally not a good thing as you don't understand how the original problem happened in the first place, so you don't know if it could happen again, or if you totally fixed it, or if you somehow made it harder to fix properly in the future
[19:40:53] <Isarra>	 Yeah, that kind of mass-update worked for us because we knew exactly how we wound up with it in the first place, and it was a one-time thing.
[19:41:06] <jubo2>	 Hi and thanks thanks thanks for the awesomest wiki engine in these parts of the Laniakea Supercluster
[19:42:16] <RhinosF1>	 I'll get the migrateActors script ran first and we'll see what happens hopefully someone can tell whether it was the messed up MediaWiki update and CU going wrong due to update.php not being run until Namecheap enabled command prompt access
[19:42:56] <bawolff>	 It might be the script got cut off before it fully ran, so it only half finished
[19:43:10] <jubo2>	 I'm a little baffled by https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding ... from "Pure transclusion" it reads "Wikilinks on the transcluded page will appear to be blue links but will link to locations on the foreign wiki." So I gather this option will point all the links to Wikipedia articles, but fail to show redlinks as redlinks. Correct?
[19:43:37] <RhinosF1>	 Thanks for the help, We'll see how it goes.
[19:45:08] <bawolff>	 Well you are definitely missing users comparing https://thelostjewel.com/Special:ListUsers?username=&group=&creationSort=1&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&limit=50 vs  https://thelostjewel.com/api.php?action=query&list=logevents&letype=newusers&lelimit=max
[19:46:04] <RhinosF1>	 God, What on earth went wrong
[19:54:10] <jubo2>	 I have enabled '$wgEnableScaryTranscluding = true;' and checked in the Special:Interwiki that transclusion is allowed. Now when I write '{{w::speech synthesis}}' in a sandbox on my wiki it creates a heading "Moved Permanently" followed by "The document has moved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/speech_synthesis?action=render here]". 
[19:54:16] <bawolff>	 TIL: https://github.com/HydraWiki/LuaCache is actually a thing
[19:54:50] <bawolff>	 I dont know if I think that's cool or if i think that's crazy
[19:55:19] <bawolff>	 I guess if you combine with SMW/cargo there are realistic scenarios where caching makes sense from performace perspective
[19:55:29] <bawolff>	 or even people doing hard core string processing i suppose
[19:55:35] <jubo2>	 .. this is not what I was expecting when reading https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding
[19:56:11] <jubo2>	 I'm not sure if transclusion is what I want.. What I would like to have is the possibility to embed a Wikipedia article (or parts of it) into a wiki article on my wiki
[19:56:37] <jubo2>	 The "embed parts of a Wikipedia article" would be the optimal
[19:56:39] <bawolff>	 Use underscores :)
[19:56:54] <bawolff>	 Although i thought it should automatically convert it
[19:57:57] <bawolff>	 Scary transclusion in theory should embed the whole thing I think. I haven't really used it
[19:58:16] <bawolff>	 There's also the {{raw:... prefix to embed as wikitext instead of html
[19:58:27] <jubo2>	 bawolff: underscores make no difference in what I'm seeing
[19:58:41] <jubo2>	 also {{subst:w::speech synthesis}} does not work as the documentation would make one believe
[19:59:19] <RF1>	 Bawolff, Can You pop over to the meeting Channel? This could go well.
[19:59:30] <bawolff>	 try {{subst:raw::w::speech synthesis}}  maybe?
[19:59:44] <bawolff>	 or actually {{subst:raw::w::Speech_synthesis}}  maybe?
[20:00:26] <jubo2>	 bawolff: do you think hitting "save page" would make something else to appear when compared to "preview" ?
[20:01:09] <bawolff>	 for subst: yes
[20:01:20] <jubo2>	 {{subst:raw::w::Speech_synthesis}} just creates a heading "Moved permanently" and some other stuff
[20:01:49] <bawolff>	 jubo2: Maybe the url is wrong in the interwiki prefix
[20:02:09] <jubo2>	 bawolff: the link it creates is a valid Wikipedia URL
[20:02:34] <bawolff>	 Yes, but is it a redirecting url?
[20:02:36] <jubo2>	 and I did need to adjust, because 'w:' was pointing to https://www.wikipedia.org/$1
[20:02:54] <jubo2>	 instead of the correct https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1 (iirc)
[20:03:09] <bawolff>	 try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1 instead
[20:04:25] <jubo2>	 bawolff: wouldn't that break e.g. [ [ w:fr:Commerce équitable] ] i.e. links to other language editions of Wikipedia?
[20:05:26] <jubo2>	 Or maybe it would not break. The Mediawiki is pretty awesome quality software
[20:05:51] <bawolff>	 I think scary transclusions are not following redirects, so the interlanguage prefix won't work either way
[20:06:40] <jubo2>	 Aha.. there exists "wikipedia	-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1" interwiki. I can try with that without breaking the [ [ w: Article name ] ] way to link to English language Wikipedia
[20:07:04] <bawolff>	 Its weird that scary transclusions wouldn't follow redirects...seems kind of silly
[20:07:27] <bawolff>	 maybe its security thing about redirecting to other protocols and what not
[20:07:51] <jubo2>	 yeah... often people who think deep think of things that never cross the normies' minds
[20:08:52] <bawolff>	 I guess that's easy to change (just need to add followRedirects => true to the MWHttpRequest::factory call in Parser::interwikiTransclude
[20:09:24] <jubo2>	 {{subst:raw::wikipedia::Speech synthesis}} just writes itself to the preview. I need to probably enable the transclusion possibility in Special:Interwiki
[20:11:53] <jubo2>	 bawolff: Ok.. After enabling transclusion and forwarding for the prefix 'wikipedia:' I'm seeing the page from Wikipedia being rendered in place of {{subst:raw::wikipedia::Speech synthesis}}, all the links are red .. I need to study the manual and adjust the type of transclusion
[20:12:48] <bawolff>	 I can't remember which is which, but your basic choices are raw: vs not having raw:, so there's really only two choices
[20:13:14] <bawolff>	 subst: will just insert the wikitext on page save, which is kind of a separate thing
[20:13:24] <jubo2>	 Chaning the call to {{wikipedia::Speech synthesis}} it now renders the whole page from Wikipedia with all links pointing to Wikipedia
[20:13:58] <jubo2>	 bawolff: Is there a way to fetch only certain headings of a page .. I need this for commentary .. I think..
[20:14:24] <bawolff>	 Not with scary interwiki transclude. You'd probably have to write your own extension
[20:14:36] <jubo2>	 bawolff: I'm not texy
[20:14:49] <jubo2>	 I make much better spaghetti in the kitchen than at the keyboard
[20:31:40] <Grobo>	 Vulpix: yes, it gave me some output. I tried showJobs and it says zero.
[20:36:52] <Grobo>	 there were several htmlCacheUpdate lines for the test category 
[20:36:59] <Grobo>	 but the category still shows zero pages
[20:41:04] <bawolff>	 Try showJobs.php --group
[20:41:08] <bawolff>	 it gives much better output
[20:41:45] <Grobo>	 okay
[20:42:23] <Grobo>	 mm nothing there
[20:42:47] <Grobo>	 I think everything that was pending ran when I used runJobs last time
[20:43:14] <bawolff>	 sounds likely
[20:43:17] <Grobo>	 I could add another page
[20:45:29] <Grobo>	 htmlCacheUpdate: 1 queued; 0 claimed (0 active, 0 abandoned); 0 delayed
[20:45:29] <Grobo>	 recentChangesUpdate: 1 queued; 0 claimed (0 active, 0 abandoned); 0 delayed
[20:45:33] <Grobo>	 so now, I get that
[20:46:55] <jubo2>	 Thanks for your help bawolff. Where has this world gone to that one needs to reboot a Linux for swap usage on a machine with 16GB RAM..
[20:47:07] <jubo2>	 So be back in a while.
[20:47:57] <bawolff>	 Grobo: So yeah, sounds like your job queue is working properly
[20:48:49] <Grobo>	 okay
[20:49:27] <Grobo>	 runJobs gave me a few lines. Not sure if that's helpful.
[20:50:55] <Vulpix>	 Grobo: do you view the category pages being logged in?
[20:52:18] <bawolff>	 There used to be a bug where categories would never get varnish/filecache/etc purged
[20:52:32] <Grobo>	 Vulpix: Sorry, not sure what you mean.
[20:52:42] <bawolff>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T26575
[20:53:33] <Grobo>	 I have the wiki set to private, so I am logged in.
[20:54:45] <bawolff>	 Could still be a 304 not modified client cache thing even if logged in
[20:55:11] <bawolff>	 Grobo: If you do a hard refresh (ctrl+r) on the category page, do the new entries show up?
[20:55:30] <Grobo>	 bawolff: mm no :/
[20:57:22] <bawolff>	 Grobo: If you go to https://MYWIKIDOMAINHERE.com/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmtitle=Category:NAME_OF_CATEGORY_HERE&cmlimit=max does it list all the categories you expect to see?
[20:59:21] <bawolff>	 Similarly, for the page that's supposed to be in the category, does https://MYWIKINAMEHERE.com/w/api.php?action=parse&&prop=categories&page=NAME_OF_PAGE_THAT_SHOULD_BE_IN_CATEGORY list the categories it is supposed to be in?
[21:02:26] <Grobo>	 mm let's see
[21:07:11] <Grobo>	 okay, I tried one of the pages and I see the category in the data
[21:07:18] <Grobo>	 (using the link as above)
[21:09:10] <Grobo>	 for the first link, I don't see anything meaningful.
[21:10:36] <Grobo>	 https://privatebin.net/?53b906bdd873a794#S8u48kU1p/NLNdPV5G5W7lWVv5SCVEqMNh5qBs19FgA=
[21:10:46] <bawolff>	 Hmm. So first link is what mediawiki thinks is in the category, and second link is what categories mw thinks the page should be in.
[21:11:02] <bawolff>	 So basically that confirms this isn't a caching issue, so much as things really just aren't being inserted into the db
[21:11:24] <Grobo>	 okay, cool
[21:11:34] <jubo2>	 y0
[21:11:52] <Grobo>	 this is sqlite, so it's all in one file except for a cache
[21:12:09] <jubo2>	 Is there a way to make footnotes that would appear in a different place than <references /> ?
[21:12:41] <bawolff>	 jubo2: I think references supports different reference groups, so you can have multiple <references/> tag for different types of footnotes
[21:13:01] <jubo2>	 Cool. Thanks bawolff!
[21:15:22] <jubo2>	 Hey bawolff.. In this one old wiki of mine I have imported these templates (years ago) https://wiki.study/regarding/Wiki.study:Imported_citation_templates and it does not have the Module that trying to import citation templates to the new wiki complains about missing
[21:15:54] <jubo2>	 So I gather the citation templates have been changed over the years so that now they need that module... CS1?
[21:17:26] <jubo2>	 I think I would like to try to import the current citation templates and the modules required for them to display correctly. But doing an expansion in the Special:Export does seem to give me some useless rubbish too
[21:17:50] <bawolff>	 Wikipedia definitely gets more complicated over the years
[21:17:53] <jubo2>	 So I'm thinking I need to vet manually the list of stuff to export
[21:18:35] <bawolff>	 Are you sure the useless stuff is actually useless? Citation is so complex I would have no idea what is rubish and what isn't
[21:18:47] <jubo2>	 Good point
[21:19:57] <Grobo>	 is there a way for me to test the db write, so I can debug what is failing?
[21:20:27] <Grobo>	 There is also an error in the Apache logs. It's from mediawiki but unrelated. There is an exception being thrown when I go to recent changes.
[21:20:45] <jubo2>	 Thanks bawolff for your info that having different groups of <references /> ... the info on how to do it is here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite#The_%3Creferences_/%3E_tag
[21:20:47] <bawolff>	 What's the recentchanges exception?
[21:21:14] <bawolff>	 if its db related, could be part of the same issue
[21:22:19] <bawolff>	 Grobo: I would suggest enabling mediawiki's debug log to see if there's anything enlightening there (via $wgDebugLogFile). You should also set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true;
[21:22:45] <bawolff>	 And then try adding a different category to the page, and seeing if anything that looks error-ish shows up in the debug log
[21:23:25] <Grobo>	 https://dpaste.de/GimY
[21:23:48] <Grobo>	 sounds good. I'll try that.
[21:24:17] <bawolff>	 huh, i don't even know what that error means
[21:26:25] <Grobo>	 I think I saw an open bug logged for it (at least, the same file/line #)
[21:26:39] <Grobo>	 but I don't think it was causing an issue
[21:26:50] <Grobo>	 I can still see recent changes, for example
[21:29:24] <bawolff>	 Grobo: Is it at the very bottom of the page? That could indicate that it is happening in the job queue, and might be causing some of the jobs to not execute
[21:30:10] <Grobo>	 I ony see it in the Apache logs
[21:30:39] <bawolff>	 I guess you could try setting $wgJobRunRate = 0; (to disable running jobs in the web interface). Add the page to a new category, and then run runJobs.php. That way the job would only run in the cli script, and you can easily see if the error is associated with the job
[21:31:35] <Grobo>	 When there were pending jobs, I didn't see any errors, before.
[21:31:46] <Grobo>	 But maybe that was different.
[21:32:46] <bawolff>	 you could also try refreshLinks.php (This forces all categories to be regenerated). It won't solve your problem permenently, but it will at least let you see if things can be added to categories at all
[21:33:56] <Grobo>	 Do I need something in addition to wgDebugLogFile to enable logging?
[21:34:23] <bawolff>	 $wgDebugLogFile should just point to the file you want to log to. As long as mediawiki can write to that file, that should be all you need
[21:34:27] <bawolff>	 I think
[21:35:06] <Grobo>	 https://dpaste.de/Jfxs
[21:36:40] <bawolff>	 Wait!
[21:36:51] <bawolff>	 I just tried this on an sqlite installation and its broken for me too
[21:36:59] <bawolff>	 So maybe this is just broken and not something with your install
[21:37:52] <Grobo>	 Well, that's good and bad ;) I was running out of ideas, here. There's only so many ways to +w an sqlite file ;p
[21:38:52] <bawolff>	 Well now this is like a challenge! I'm going to figure out wtf is going on
[21:38:59] <bawolff>	 Because its not like categories are a minor feature
[21:39:18] <Grobo>	 yeah, they really aren't
[21:42:05] <Grobo>	 refreshLinks fixes it, btw
[21:47:11] <bawolff>	 So it looks like the LBFactory object somehow goes out of scope well transactions are still running...somehow
[21:49:06] <Grobo>	 hmm
[21:51:47] <bawolff>	 it starts MediaWiki\Storage\PageUpdater::getAtomicSectionUpdate but never finishes it
[21:52:25] <Grobo>	 any chance that slows down the response time?
[21:52:38] <Grobo>	 It's also takine 30 seconds or so to save a page
[21:52:44] <Grobo>	 *taking
[21:59:40] <bawolff>	 Hmm, it could be hanging until finally it hits some sort of timeout
[21:59:49] <bawolff>	 But i don't have the 30 second thing on my test wiki
[22:01:17] <Grobo>	 okay
[22:01:45] <Grobo>	 I'm going to try with the MySQL install I have and see what the speed difference is like. If it's not related, then I'll expect it to be equally slow
[22:04:23] <bawolff>	 oh, i may have been misinterpreting my earlier theory
[22:04:52] <Grobo>	 much faster, so I think it is probably related
[22:11:48] <bawolff>	 So, it appears, that mediawiki inserts the category update (refreshLinksPrioritized) job into db, but then takes it back out of db because it encounters the error HTMLCacheUpdate::doUpdate: Cannot flush snapshot because writes are pending (JobQueueDB::doBatchPush/multi-row)
[22:15:59] <RhinosF1>	 Thanks for your help bawolff
[22:20:04] <Grobo>	 Cool. It sounds like you found where the bug is.
[22:27:36] <bawolff>	 Sort of where, not sure why yet
[22:55:08] <bawolff>	 Grobo: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220312 is how far i got. I can see what's happening, but I don't know enough about MW db transaction handling to be confident on what the correct fix is (I'm hoping aaron will see the bug and know what needs fixing)
[22:55:49] <bawolff>	 My initial  (perhaps naive) guess would be to commit all pending writes before starting the next deferrable update, but I'm not sure if that's the best approach
[23:10:56] <jubo2>	 Hi and BIG thanks for the very nice to run and very nice to upgrade software
[23:11:11] <jubo2>	 Solid, people, solid.
[23:12:06] <jubo2>	 I think I need N translations based on native translations for this https://wiki.ban-covert-modeling.org/w/index.php?title=Biblical_explanation_-_The_Book_of_Revelations&action=edit&redlink=1
[23:12:31] <jubo2>	 N translations on arbitrary number of Bible translations
[23:13:21] <mingle>	 hey folks, I'm running into some sudden weird behavior on my Mediawiki instance. When pasting external http links into VisualEditor, they're no longer automatically being marked as a hyperlink.  It persists between computers, and I can't reproduce it on Wikipedia. Any seen this before or have any ideas?
[23:14:08] <jubo2>	 [maanantaina 8. huhtikuuta 2019] [2.02.23 EEST] <jubo2> Revelations 13 can be explained really easily by pointing out how literally true the text is
[23:15:29] <jubo2>	 I've pretty much done it with one-to-one for Finnish vs. many-to-many
[23:16:49] <jubo2>	 Like.. I'm trying to focus. I need texts able to reference N translation
[23:17:46] <jubo2>	 .. and things can be done dumbly and things can be done brilliantly and I'm just an advanced activist so any help would be appreciated
[23:19:08] <jubo2>	 This is the most complete page so far https://wiki.ban-covert-modeling.org/wiki/How_to_protect_yourself_from_covert_modeling
[23:28:40] <jubo2>	 Sorry about the spam. I still care about the humankind and since there is a legislation that has great effect on the unchecked lawlesness these digicratic criminals, then it should be made good and full and not introducing non-neglible friction in the judiciaries or legal causing energy to be wasted a nation state should go for it and the UN should DEFINITELY go for it.
[23:28:52] <jubo2>	 some effect
[23:54:37] <Grobo>	 bawolff2: okay, thanks for your help and for filing the bug! I hope it gets fixed.